Garrett2014

Hey guys , Having a blast down memory lane and trying to get Thief Gold to run on XP. Well I got that done no problem but now looking at old web url bookmarks and it seems Thied The Circle is no more :/ or have they changed domain ? I cant seem to find them anyway so any info would be appreciated ! Im looking for a good archive for TG an T2 !! Cheers Garrett2014

Very strange indeed.

I dont recall the actual error, but it was just like the forum wasnt there ! I could'nt connect to the server or something like that. It was a standard error like when you have lost your internet connection and cant access a web page. I could access other sites ok though and play MP or PvP games etc, so i wasnt my connection. I could get TheDarkMod website but not the forums.

Hi Guys , As topic title suggests ive been unable to access the forums these past couple of days ! Does anyone have any information on this ? Have you also been unable to access these forums recently ? I have more than one pc so i dont believe the problem to be local to me. Possiabaly my ISP ? Or was the issue server side ?

Sorry my bad. I dont want support for XP removed from the dark radiant either.

I have too disagree, There seems to be an elitist vein on these forums , one which I will try to enlighten. Fact of the matter is many people still use XP, dont feel the need to upgrade and in some cases dont have the capital to do so even if they wished. Personlly i expect to build new pc sometime in the next year or so and when i do so I will be in the market for a suitable OS. Im more than likely going 64bit. I do realise that in some areas a higher demand is put on hardware due to increasesd softare complexity ! However I still think the system im currently using is a damn good system and although it has XP installed as an OS its more than capable of most tasks. I really dont see the NEED to be upgrading to be honest but i do like gaming on the PC where, for whatever reason, more demands are put on the hardware over time. A lot of the time its SOFTWARE that is poorly desighned and optimised that slows pc's down to the point where the hardware companies can say its time for you too buy a new PC. Your old one is too slow ! This is a lie, one that operating system providers like microsoft dont challenge as their operating systems are often provided in the bundle with any new PC you buy ! This helps bolster their profits and sales figures. Meanwhile a perfectly decent PC is relegated to the skip .. This really gets my goat as in an age of austerity , where global resources are being consumed at a rate thats not sustainable we are still throwing away hardware thats perfectly ok for many uses and injecting funds into corporate giants that dont give a stufff about the consumer they are feeding on, apart from keeping them satisfied and therby protecting their reputation and their products sales figures! And before someone accuses me of hate I say that this is not the case. I dont HATE companies. Thats insane. I HAVE common bloody sense however and can see when im being lied too though and I dislike being dissrespected in this way ! In time I do think future releases of TDM should drop support for XP but I dont feel that time is now! When an OS can provide a significant and noticeable improvement in my day to day computing experiance then i will likely upgrade. I try to keep my expenditure on a new PC to once every 5 years. Im past that time limit already but i didnt see many games companies relaeasing games that wouldnt run on XP when Vista was released so put off upgrading. Win 7 seemed to be a bit off a non event and I HATE the Win8 interface so im sticking with XP for now, as I am sure many are ! If 1/3 of users still use XP you can expect that the other 2/3 off users are office clones ! Offcourse there will be percentage who want the latest so that they can develope professional softare thats current and i appreciate this but then there will be another percentage of the general public that simply fall prey to the hype or scare tactic's of Security ! Ok Im not going to discuss the relationship between terroism and the security industry's profits here ! Ok I think ive said enough PLEASE dont drop XP yet ! Its a vernerable and reliable work horse, maybe it has some issues , but i would hardly say its day is done. Ok Im biased maybe, and realise that this is a FAN operated or managed software project and as such impacts upon peoples free time I truly believe that now is not the time to discontinue support. The word nusciance was mentioned. This suggests it would be a relatively minor issue to keep XP support ? How much time and how difficult this would be is outwith my ken and i guess ultimately the decision lies with the person or persons involved who are doing the actual work but if i can help at all i will. Im wanting to get into mapping as i currently have the time to do so and I use XP :/

Hey Guys, Hoping someone can point me in the right direction. Experiancing runtime error and not sure where to start to diagnose this problem. Im using Win XP SP3 Quad Core 6600 CPU running at 2.4Ghz per Core, 4Gb Ram although DxDiag only sees 3326Mb and windows 3.25Gb and, im sure, TDM much less. ATI Radeon HD4870 with 512Mb DDR5, DX 9.0c. So its an old systm now I guess but capable enough for most purposes. Im lost. Please help.

Ok Guys I thought i would give my opinion as well. Well First a little about me. Im a new TDM player but played through all of Thief Gold and a good bit of Thief 2 The Metal Age and Thief 3. Now onto the mission. This was my second mission the first being the Tears of St Lucia. So i dont have a lot of knowledge on the quality of Missions out there although from reading these forums 'A Night To Remember' is generally held in good regard. Ok where to start. I have lots too say Ok i found the concepts of no guards etc a bit unusual, but had not realised that the Mission had been for a Halloween competition. I found the mansion to be a little restrictive at first. In some ways I understand why,forcing the player, to trigger scripted events, for example. I liked the archatecture , the curved stair case, the balconies, the tall windows , the use of textures although i think that the floorboards could have been scaled down a little. I didnt like the outside, but now know that time was a huge limiting factor ! I think the Manor lacked something. Perhaps the author had plans for a more expansive building but ran out of time. The main hall is enormous compared to the rest of the manor. Some of the rooms were beautifully done while others less so. Again time i guess. Over all a good achievement in 1 1/2 month. I liked the problem solving aspect to the gme but did dislike the two levers. Ok the one in the bedroom may have been noticed and its purpose realised but the other i totally failed to notice and even if i did i may not have realised what it was for. As it is this is the two things i needed to look up and get help with. I agree with a previous comment concerning the piano. Ok it provides a bit of atmosphere, who or what is playing the piano, but its volume is way WAY WAYYYYYY too loud. I think a lot of the music is TBH as when you move from one area into anotheer the music from the fist cuts off and bam your into a new sound file. Never having done a map I would have no idea how to do this as it is never mind have the music fade as one approaced a door or new area or if this is even possiable. Again time though ! I loved the marble floor of the min hall btw the textures are ammazing compared to T1 and 2. I also failed the mission for running the wrong way ! I only did this a couple of times before thryig the other way but the sound file sounded like footsteps on stairs ! and not on carpet. The most hated part of the game for me was not the trap itself but the trap loction! It must have taken me 20 tries anyway before i stumbled on a solution in the library of all places. Ok i dont know how to do spoilers so lookk away now if you havent played this mission or bit yet. Basically as soon as i entered the floor space to get access to the chest a ghost was killing me, I looked downstairs and tryed to time my theft to coincide with 'his' patrol but laterly i gave up. Later i was in the library and i noticed that icaused the the female ghost to run away. Curious i thought. I moved to another part of the that wing only to observe her return with his ghost in tow ! I think she runs off to get help! I then spent ages trying to tigger this , luring him away from his patrol but still ended getting killed by a servant ghost, i think in the toilet. VERY FRUSTRATING and enjoyment spoiling for me ! This mission has huge potential, and although the competiton is over perhaps the author should revisit it and make a MkII correcting its flaws and adding to the areas that are currently lacking. The maps are a usefull touch but could have been helpfull nearer the start and OMG the compass / direction inconsistance really is a huge oversight that im suprissed the beta testerrs didnt spot. Im still not sure what is the east wing or where there storage room is

Hey Guys, Ive just a small query concerning bug reports for Fan Missions ! Is there a centralised place for reporting bugs, problems , improvements for a fan mission or do you need to contact the author directly and if so is there any way to easily find contact information for the author. ? The reason I ask is while playing through Saint Lucia I noticed a few minor 'immersion' breaking instances but didn't note them down. I'm now on my second mission 'A Night To Remember' by Fieldmedic and have encountered two issues. The first is while in the trophy room I crouched between a spear stand and a chair just to the right of the fireplace and got stuck there ! I could turn but not move away from the wall. It was like i was stuck to the chair or to the wall. Ultimately I reloaded my saved position which had to be in that position only to find i was still stuck ! I resolved the problem by using the mantle option to climb onto the chair but i think this needs to be addressed. ! The second issue was while outside the Master Bedroom. I noticed that the ghost or headless apparition had somehow become stuck on the protruding lamp mounted on the wall to the left of the double door leading into the Master Bedroom. It was continuing to walk but was not moving ! A minor adjustment of the NPC path may resolve this. So that's it . I have an eye for detail and small issues like this really spoil the experience for me. I want perfection ! I also realise the great amount of time and effort has gone into these Fan Missions and can see how small issues such as these can be overlooked. However I still respect all that has been achieved.

I didn't want to start an argument and I feel, as a consumer, we are often let down by these corporate non entitys that promise us a better life and give us increased complexity and often as not decreased reliability with increased costs to endure. I have, in the main, turned my back on investing my time, money and energy in the next bigger,better,greater new marketing hyped up product. I just look at the 'History' Win 98 sucked until Win 98 SE came out, XP sucked untill i think SP2 appeared, Vista ...ditto untill we got drivers for older hardware. You know there was a time when you bought items from shops and they did what was written on the box ! Anyway i guess my opinions on MS,Consumerism and our Society and hell life in general should be expressed elsewhere. Thanks for your feedback all.

Im still XP but not specifically a mapper... yet. I think though that there are too many OS releases by MS. They come out too frequently and what do they offer apart from emptyin your pockets ? I will continue to run XP long into the future and even if i build a new PC will continue to use XP untill more software supports 64 bit i really dont see the need to upgrade ! Direct X 11 i hear you say ! That could have been implemented into XP but MS didnt do that as it would have affected there new OS sales. Wake up people. Your being used! Microsoft are the Biggest Thieves amongst us!

Can some one describe what Lords & Legacy is ?

Ok Well being a NEW player of the dark mod having only just discovered it at the tail end of last year I have a fresh insight for you ! I found that the guard was too hard to bypass. End off. However it was this difficulty which made me persaver ? untill I found the alternate route ! Initially after first playing the game, i was experiancing the 'folder issue' so i couldnt save my game and after repeated attempts and deaths trying to get that guard i gave up :/ I almost uninstalled ! I also managed too miss the tavern ! so didnt have that first breadcrumb but a few weeks later returned to the game and after a few nights playing and 'sorting' my install managed to find the second breadcrumb, by accident, that lead me to the jug. I knew the map, well the part i was stuck in, quite well by then so i made good progress after that. Too good i'd say. The mission then became too easy :/ I also found the spider, an off branch of the alternate route, and its scared the poop out off me. Overall I thought the map was great, The mission is too hard for beginners too the game though ! although i suspect most will be ex thief fans so no need too worry there, well not too much . Offcourse we do want a new user base. I would maybe suggest a new mission as the first mission one a little easier and with more loot and areas that can be raided rather than altering this mission. I tryed to imagine how the map would have played if i had got past that guard and i think it would not have been as good as the alternate route So ... Maybe some minor tweaking to the start area , maybe more than one method to access the alternate route ? As it is the 'diffiulty' almost made me uninstall and that would have been a shame as the rest of the mission was a lot of fun. The jug physics were a pain however. Sometimes i got it no bother and other times I took ages to .. well i wont spoil it any further ! St Lucia is a GREAT mission. Very much in the thief style and feel.Maybe that initial difficulty helps make it great but maybe it shouldnt be the first mission for a new player!

Im a new member here but a long time Thief fan Just check out my avatar ! Im just urious as to why someone dosent just contact that dude thats porting the new engine for us too ask about progress ?

Thanks Again SteveL, Very clearly explained and detailed response. Much appreciated. I will endevour to search for my solutions myself but dont want to spend days looking for something that could be relatively simple and easy for you chaps to answer and save me a lot of time which you all know were are very short of these days :/ tick tock goes the clock.

OK why are my brush lines in my grid view White ? making them look invisible or as if nothing is there but you can sorta see a whitish void where your lines should be ?

SteveL Thanks for the info regarding texture manipulation and how to zoom smoothly ! I am going to look a fidcals tutorial now ! Do you know if there's any way to rebind keys in DR ? I dont like keyboard shortcuts so if i can rebind mouse wheel id be happier !. Any way to do this ?

Ok Guys another newbie question . Sorry. Ive started playing with the clipper tool and lets say i want to cut a hole in the roof of my first room ive made ! ok so the roof is a simple flat retangular brush and i select 2 points on that brush, the top face and the inner bottom face, ! Now instead of simply pressing enter which will cut or crop the brush I press Shift + Enter to slice it ! I now resize one side of or resize one of the two brushs that are now present along the same axis as the slice follows ! This forms a hole in the roof but the edge of the 1st part of the brush, the part that wasnt resized dosent display a texture but only a Pink color. I suspect this is to represent the lack of a face in that area. So my question is how do i repair this area ? Or am i using the clipping tool wrong and if I am is there a workaround to achieve this in a different way ? Also I realise that by doing this im creating leakes to the void but I will be adding a second storey to my 1st room and a ladder. This is all just practice at the moment ! Finally is there a config file or a setting that i can adjust to reduce the amount the middle mouse wheel zooms by as my mouse wheel is the type that has defined steps in its movement and 1 step in its rotation is just to inaccurate to be very practical in the 3D window ! If i could reduce the movement in the 3D window by half or even down to a 1/4 of its current value in relation to 1 segment or partial rotation of my mouse wheel i would find this much more userfriendly !

OK Thanks JR Ferret. Im back at it now and I seem to be able to load the textures with the media browser and any i click on are now available in my texture browser!. OK NOW while i know that restricting oneself to only a few colours and textures helps any design I do like to have all the available colors and textures available so that i can view them and make a decision as to which tectures id liek to use ! Now instead of selecting and then scrolling through all the textures to ensure they are in my Texture browser is there any way to just have them load by default ? What are my options in this regard ?

Hey Guys I was advised to post any questions I may have in here as this is a Newbie Thread. it seems a little long and cluttered though and to be honest sifting through all, what is it ? 170+ pages to find info seems inefficiant way of doing things. Im possiabally missing something as im tired. Anyway. I have a recurring problem and that is the Engine Path,Game Settings,Preferences ! The Engine Path field doesnt retain the path. Its a royal pain in the backside to check and restore the Engine path not just every time I launch DR but also start a new map ! Im not sure if its that which causes the loss but shouldn't that path, once set, remain untill you want to change it ? If its any help the fs_game field retains darkmod which i have entered as previously advised. Thanks guys . Your help is appreciated.

Goldwell, Thanks for both your suggestions and your advice. The advice solved the issue for me. For the time being i will stick to the newbie thread. I can only assume it was the fact i had nothing entered in the fs_game field. Ive restarted DR and i can still access the textures etc but strangely the game path is one again empty :/ Although the fs_game field has retained darkmod.Well its progeress

Hey Guys, Me again ! Trying to get DR to see my texture.pk archives but it dosent seem to want to remember the game path in preferences. After selecting My Games folder or the My Games\darkmod folder i OK the window and restart DR for the changes to take effect ! When i reload DR i still cant select textures and when i check game prefs the game path is empty again :/ Any ideas ?

OK thanks guys working on it..

Hey Guys , My first post and im new to editing so please forgive my ignorance ! Basicaly ive got DR running and am becoming familiar with it slowly but in my media , texture windows thers no textures as are in Komags video tutorials. I found very few video tutorials on You Tube which is a shame as it a great resourse ! The more people that learn DR then the more maps for TDM and the more maps the bigger the user base will grow ! Is htere any video tutorial initiative in the works ? Ok thats it for now but expect lots of questions from me ! youve been warned Later and thanks in advance !