Wellingtoncrab
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I believe the xray materials are what is in core. The def and scripts might still need to be made though there is an entry on the wiki which provides instructions:
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1 hour ago, Cataphract said:Spoiler
The barred door in the basement in accessible for the other side which you can get to from another area of the map. If you like a more specific clue:
SpoilerYou can find the entrance in area with the greenhouse and the precursor ship. It is right below the break in the wall into the Lord's room.
1 hour ago, Cataphract said:SpoilerThis I would not answer, but I can say you will find info on this in the thread if you go digging.
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25 minutes ago, SeriousToni said:Spoiler
There is a map for this area the player can collect in Red Rook.
27 minutes ago, SeriousToni said:SpoilerI am not sure exactly where you have been, but the house is located in south of the Hollowbrook in a neighborhood called Grimkirk.
If you are just entering the plague ward from the pump house you are pretty much at the most Northern part of the map in an area called North Sloughgate. Just south of that is South Sloughgate. Just south of that is Grimkirk where you want to go. If you’re at the church you have passed it.
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The collectibles have flavor text which add to the story but are not necessary to completely the mission.
It sounds like you have made it to the quarantine check point, which is sealed and does not provide a way through the plague wall.
Beneath the check point is the effluent for Red Rook's sewer system which may be a good place to look.
If you need a more explicit clue:
SpoilerThe way into the plague ward is through the old pump house which is connected to "the sump" area. Once you get to the pump house you will need to lift the quarantine shutters to move through though - to access the controls you can find or purchase some lock picks or use the quarantine shutter key.
Sorry there isn't any localization for the mission outside of English as that is a bit beyond my abilities admittedly/
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1 hour ago, nbohr1more said:
Will try to get this done tonight
( unless someone gets it done before me )
While I would get to it eventually I haven’t been able to devote any time to patching Iris, but if you’re already in the neighborhood… would you mind removing my altered blackjack def as well? (Sorry)
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As other users have pointed out it's at least as much if not more an art "problem" as it is a technology one. While I could definitely see mipmaps helping, as I have mentioned I am not aware of any normal maps in core assets which are compressed and leverage mipmaps. I think it comes down to the overall intensity and then the frequency of detail in the normal map relative to the scale of the texture and lighting in the scene.
The art of the game was made to suit the technology of the game. This means the intensity of the normal maps in many stock assets are tuned to present detail from small often transient dynamic lights and they do not hold up as well under these kinds of lighting conditions or when used outside of their intended texture scale. This one is probably intended to be a large stone floor which is probably lit by a torch instead of small platforms lit by giant spotlights.
This was within our power to "fix", but we didn't consider it a priority admittedly in the context of all the work to be done to finish and release the mission.
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I don't say this to be discouraging, but a developer has already responded that replacing the AA in the game is not arbitrary and has no ETA so not sure what else you are looking for?
Even if the engine is overhauled to the point TAA is an option, there is still no perfect AA solution. The image quality of the most modern games often reveals shortcomings under scrutiny - there are always trade offs.
So how helpful is your suggestion which paraphrased is basically: "we need a bespoke AA solution that cheaply provides perfect results" when it comes to actually solving this problem?
In a game where the image is typically dark and there isn't much high frequency detail it does not take much AA to provide an acceptable image in 95% of circumstances imo.
It is we mappers who ultimately control what you are seeing in a given mission, and these scenes in SLL are very brightly lit with large volumetric light volumes. This for example reveals a lot of limitations in the resolution of shadow maps for these lights and presents normal map interactions that are not typical for the game, all that were quite obvious in development. Ultimately we liked the overall effect, so we accepted the trade offs.
While there will always be room for improvement and advancements (just look at the VL light quality improvements coming from 2.10 to 2.11) it is that overall presentation, including those compromises, that is what real time game art is all about.
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2 hours ago, AluminumHaste said:
Ok yeah it looks like just the normal map has no mipmaps generated for it.
Unless it is has changed recently practically all normal maps in the game are uncompressed as dds compression causes visual artifacts on them.
Though I imagine how noticeable this is somewhat dependent on the asset and method of compression.
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2 minutes ago, datiswous said:
Are you saying this forum has this issue as well?
Not exactly - as someone like Kurshok will get a warning every once and a while and Nort will actually get banned here. There is simply more structure in a forum so it's a lot easier to just focus in there areas you want to and the ignore the threads you don't.
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1 hour ago, datiswous said:
Or apply moderation.
It's just my opinion but that just doesn't happen in TDM spaces.
I used to love the TDM discord - it was kind of quiet but it was mappers talking about mapping and players talking about playing.
But the fact it is clearly a unmoderated space with basically no rules where itinerant weirdos can roll in and post transphobic slurs and then respond to mild pushback with a torrent of abuse in messages they then edit and delete, or post reams and reams of text in any channel that are completely off topic that all reads like it's been transcribed from the walls of a padded cell, or where the limited discussion about the game itself seems often to be about how it is bad (with some users posting over and over again about how they don't even play it), or as @Dragofer points out users who just want to relentlessly discourage and criticize anyone who is not a small handful of authors to the point they try and make issue not even with the work itself but the motives of doing the work, just makes the whole thing feel like a chore at this point to me.
It also makes it feel kind of like this forum. Which means if you are going to have to be in one in order to feel like you contribute why not just settle in here.
So yeah, I left.
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I guess I am not entirely certain of the ramifications of this, I often use parallel lights but usually with both the spawnargs "parallel" and "parallelSky" set to "1" and always as a way to put a large directional light into a scene. I do use additional parallel lights without the parallelSky spawnarg for smaller fill and bounce lights. I don't know if basically turning that spawnarg on would even impact the appearance of the lights.
It doesn't sound like a big deal but I guess it would be nice to understand the impact more?
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"might give some more performance" is quite the understatement. It is now achievable to get Iris to runs on the Steamdeck at 60fps, where as before most of the map was stuck between 30-40 regardless of settings, resolution scaling, etc.
In terms of frame render times that is a much bigger performance jump than even 180-300.
Really fantastic job devs!
Now we can tank performance with even more elaborate and unoptimized scenes.
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Just to clarify Bikerdude did not make the video - it is the same asset as it was abandoned 12 years ago. I know this as he has asked me about attempting to upscale the original video (which I could not do) as he is not in possession of dram’s source project. Here is the asset as it was originally published:
I understand the sensitivity around the issue, but if there is some missing attribution it originates from the original author/work, and was an oversight from 10+ years ago.
Speaking to Bikerdude now that he is aware of it he will endeavor to remove your work @Springheel from the video as soon as he can.
Edit: While it was never specifically confirmed, the asset in the briefing that could be attributed to springheel should be removed
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1 hour ago, wesp5 said:
"TDM cannot use the Deadly Shadows resource pack." There is a Deadly Shadows resource pack for TDM?
There is an asset rip hosted on the contest page for people to pull TDS assets like textures and sounds into TDP/T2 specifically that we are not eligible to use.
Honestly the same “thorny copyright issues” apply when you’re taking any copyrighted assets from a game and repurposing them - there is no exception I am aware that applies simply because TDS and TDP are part of the same series of games.
I am not so sure this makes them more “ok” to use in a T2 vs a TDM mission in the strictest sense of the word - neither of these would have been permitted by the copyright holder.
Practice is pretty common in thief to reuse assets from older games, redistribute assets acquired under licenses which don't technically permit this, etc where as yeah I don't think anything is going to get hosted on the TDM mission database that knowingly uses these types of assets without permission.
This isn't a criticism of the broader fm community btw - it is just different in this regard.
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20 minutes ago, thebigh said:
I have an idea of a mission that might fit. I very much doubt whether I can compete with the master mappers around here though.
Well I would definitely like to play it!
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3 minutes ago, datiswous said:
We might need a climbing gloves mod for tdm...
There are some good particle options in both Iris and SLL for integrating loot glint as well if anyone wants to snag them.
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https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152224
There is a new mapping contest over on TTLG for the Thief: Deadly Shadows 20th Anniversary and the organizers were kind enough to include The Dark Mod along with all of the Thief games as an options for making a mission to submit as an entry.
The deadline is a year from yesterday and the rules are pretty open. I recommend going to the original thread for the details but I will summarize here:
Rules:
- The mission(s) can be for Thief 1, Thief 2, Deadly Shadows or The Dark Mod.
- Collaborations are allowed.
- Contestants can use any custom resource they want, though TDM cannot use the Deadly Shadows resource pack.
- Contestants can submit more than one mission.
- Contestants can enter anonymously.
- The mission(s) can be of any size.Using prefabs is allowed but the idea is this is a new mission and starting from an abandoned map or importing large areas from other maps is not allowed. Naturally this is on the honor system as we have no way of validating.
Mission themes and contents:
There is no requirement from a theme or story viewpoint, however contestants might consider that many players may expect or prefer missions to be celebratory of Thief: Deadly Shadows in this respect: castles, manors, museums, ruins inhabited by Pagans and the like, with a balance of magic versus technology. This is entirely up to the authors, though, to follow or not - it is just mentioned here as an FYI and, while individual voters may of course choose to vote higher or lower based on this on their own, it will not be a criteria used explicitly in voting or scoring.
Deadline: May 25th, 2024 at 23:59 Pacific Time.See the TTLG thread for details on submissions and the voting process.
Provided I can make the deadline I hope to participate. It would be nice to see the entire community do something together, and expressing our complicated relationship with this divisive game seems as good a pretext as any.
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3 hours ago, kin said:
Interesting. Can dark radiant import and render those in game? Have you tested them?
Yes I have a few assets I have messed around with converting and bringing into game but nothing finished. I thought maybe the next pack in the series would be a nature pack but didn’t get around to it. The process is the same more or less as the other polyhaven assets in this thread except you are contending with more alpha textures and the starting tri counts for these sort of organic objects can be quite high.
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On 5/3/2023 at 11:16 PM, kin said:
I wish there was something similar for vegetation in general
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16 minutes ago, Azaran said:
Thanks, must have been a one off thing. I went back, started getting choppy for some reason, I kept going then cleared up, and I finished the mission with no issues, played for an hour. Not sure what it was, but now looks like it's just something that's temporary and clears
Well I am glad to hear that! Apologies for the hiccup and I hope it didn’t get too far in the way of enjoying the mission.
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@Frost_Salamander you’re welcome! I am happy to see them showing up in missions.
By the time assets were being pulled into 2.11 I had gotten a lot better at optimizing these types of models (which is not say I am still particularly any good) so all the ones that made it into core received additional optimizations and are generally lower poly than the ones in the pack.
I had hoped to do the pier set as well - but that set in particular is tricky as far as baking down to a lower poly version and I couldn’t finish it in time.
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Great mission! You’re on a roll!
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1 hour ago, Azaran said:
Great mission, but something I noticed is it gets extremely choppy, almost unplayable, if I play for more than 15 minutes at a time. This only happens with this mission.
I have 24 GB of ram (nothing else intensive running in the background either) and a decent video card, and lowering the graphics settings doesn't seem to do anything. When I exit, and restart the game, it's back to normal, even in open areas, before it eventually degrades, so I'm pretty sure there's some kind of problem particular to this mission
Interesting - sorry to hear you having an issue with the mission - as far as I know the game loads pretty much every reasource into memory when the map itself loads so not sure what would accumulate over a play through like this, so I wonder if it is an issue with some scripting in the mission getting stuck in a loop or something.
Is the console throwing out any errors of note?
Presumably you are on 2.11 with no mods installed? Mind giving me a run down of your system specs, os, graphics settings so I can see if I can replicate the issue?
Alternatively you can upload a save game and I will taker a look myself.
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Fan Mission: Iris by WellingtonCrab [TDM 2.10 Required] (2022/02/13)
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You have triggered the conditions for the alternate ending and there is no going back home, if there ever was one in the first place. You will have to end things on your own terms unless someone does it for it you.
Regarding the door to the “Three Monuments Hall” - perhaps the name is a reference to the nearby statues and reading the plaque might get you pointed in the right direction.