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Late in the blackness of night, my mind, wandering from the task at hand, turned to my love of old, and a pang of rememberance gripped my soul. How I did long for sight of my beloved. As I sat musing thus, an inspiration fell upon me! I would seek news of her to fuel my reminiscent thoughts. When lurking in forums of old turned my nocturnal wanderings to my favourite engine for search, my heart gave a leap at what I did find. Hark! How the all-seeing eye of google doth provide! For there, before my sleep weary eyes, a most wonderous piece of news my gaze did light upon. The Dark Mod, of whose prophesied fame I had read long ago, had grown in beauty and grandeur. And now, before me on this fateful night, I beheld my beloved, as though she were born anew! Dressed all in the fineries of DooM III, she was verily transformed beyond all mine imagining. With tears, wetting my cheeks, as I did gaze upon her, I cried aloud, "Oh! My beloved! How thou hast changed! No longer art thou the low polygon creation of Looking Glass yore. Thou hast ceased from thy whoredoms and slavery to the evil Man Eidos and his treacherous mercerneries of Storming Ions. They who defilest thy bed with Deadly Shadows. Thou art transformed! And lo, behold thy texturing, thy lighting, thy models, and thy normal mapping. Harken to thy ambient music, thy sweet ambience, oh my love! Yes, thou art become a thing of such beauty. Joy in thine re-birth!" I remember thee as thou wert, before that vile toad took thee. I remember the nights long past, we in the intimacy of my solitude. I played thee as only I knew thou desired, revelling in thy foreboding depths, drinking in thy beauty. Oh my love! I remember thy secrets. How I long for thy mysterious touch! Come, my love! Play with me. All is not lost. Nay, all has been regained! Ok, I read briefly about the Dark Mod about a year ago, but as I haven't done much game-playing in the past year, I lost sight it altogether. Tonight, though, I had a sudden inspiration, and after viewing thedarkmod.com, I was blown away. This little bit of pretentious bullshit is the resulting heart-felt awe at what's being done--I couldn't stop it! And yeah, I DO realize that it sounds a bit like masturbation, but hey! It's a single player game, no? Looking good, Dark Mod team! Oh and if you're ever interested, I might be able to provide you with some in-game texts

Wow, if only there were a thread halfway down the page discussing this very subject... http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=1532

Hello all, I'm new to the forums, but this looks soooo good. When I was playing Thief: Deadly Shadows, I thought to myself... Wow if only they had used a tweaked Doom 3 engine...Lo and behold! I think once this dark mod is up and running, we can make Fms way better than the official Thief 3 and previous games. But about copyright issues... Can we not mention Garrett or Mechanists or anything? Because I was thinking about actually creating a new DS once this mod is released! (using the same storyline, videos, but changing the levels to make them much longer and way more in depth.) Anyways, keep up the great work

thanks for all the kind comments. im just such a thief whore, i cant get enough of that game, and i dont understand why its such an unexplored genre... in fact i dont even play fps shooter demos anymore unless they have something different to offer, like fear but a classic stealth game, with a good history... i would like a crack at the beta for mappers, here are some more screens of my new church, ( i have since rebuilt that original screen 5 times from scratch now.. ) this one looks like the one im gonna go with.. larger area, more gothic... pic1 pic2 pic3 pic4 there were a pile of earlier screens of the church in a diff map, but i started to play with to many things and it started to look like a ballroom with reflected floors and so on... still a nice look... but not very churchy/thief like.. here's 2 screens from those tossed maps... old church1 old church2 i would love a chance to try the beta for mappers, so i can get more done, like doors and this overall maps objectives. or at the least to see sparhawks models moving around the church and lower crypt. but please email me with any info to offer.. i knew this mod would rock when i saw those incredible models that sparhawk made!

Merry Christmas to the DM team and everyone who visits these forums !

I dont know if thinking citizens can seize the reigns until contradictions and calamities start to pull things apart. The wealthy and powerful sit atop society and try to maintain the status quo through all the little thing we have been discussing, media, coercion, outright blood and guts militarism, enforced consumption, whatever. They are not a unified group by any means but they have several interests in common and so they tend to remain perched where they are, scratching one anothers back so to speak. But at times, they come into conflict, on rarer occasions they actually come to blows. These key opportunities are openings that can be exploited by thinking citizens, both politically and at times violently. I dont know if society can collapse, at least fully. What I mean is that unless there is something titantic like an extraterrestrial impact, society is too complex, redundant, interwoven to fall to utter dust. What I would expect would be more of a fragmentation, hardly a picnic but I think some political bodies would survive. I do think we are probably headed for an economic meltdown, which will certainly be hellish. There is a free book available on the topic by the name of "Super Imperialism" which describes how the U.S. became the worlds biggest debtor and simultaneously the worlds bank, neatly scooping the other major powers into a catch 22 where all the U.S. debts are paid by U.S. Treasury Bills, which can only be redeemed in, you guessed it, the U.S. Another way of looking at it is as if I owe you 10 dollars, but the only currency available is MY currency from MY bank. Sure, I owe you 10 bucks but who do you think is in control of that situation. The reason I mention this is because the author, Michael Hudson, argues that this is unsustainable and that as the decades roll by the problem only grows more compacted. I strongly recommend this book: http://www.michael-hudson.com/ look under "books" at the top, its a pdf. Its economic history but youll find yourself gobbling it up anyway. I agree that those gadgets and gizmos are an attempt to control people and they can be effective "soft oppression" in steadier times. But look how ineffective the "hard oppression" of the U.S. forces in Iraq are at controlling the insurgency and even in influencing the general populace.

So stealth and knocking someone unconscious aren't two different categories? As it stands, there is no gameplay difference between killing a gurd and knocking him out, in both cases you've removed him from the map for the duration of the mission. It's perfectly possible to kill someone silently. Perhaps you'll show me the dictionary defintion of the word stealth where it says 'stealth is the art of remaining silent and unseen - it can't definitely involv whacking people on the head to knock them out, but definfitely cannot involve killing them quietly' THe killing and knocking out are optional parts of the word steath, the only essential and most important part of stealth is that you remain silent and unseen, so that's the part we should emphasis in this game.

I had a Wiccan art teacher in high school, she was great as all weird teachers usually are. At least when real Wiccans worship sticks, they are celebrating the mysteries of living things, not carrying on a 2000 year old guilt trip. Im not referring to some dipshit who purchased "The Idiots Guide To Wicca" at BordersBooks and is now claiming to be a witch, I mean real Wiccans, the ones Ive met are pretty savvy folks. I appreciate the wonder they have for the natural world, as opposed to the Christian ethic of "God gave it to us to commodify, pollute, and turn into stripmalls"

Right now the elite city watch/professional guard/builder guard can walk, run, draw sword, attack. I've also seen one look up at the ceiling. I think these are mostly placeholder animations, though I could be wrong. I suggest starting with the Stage 1 and 2 animations in the master list: http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=1650

I've been exporting blendshape facial expression and lip sync vertex animation from maya to to doom using a script that parsonsbear from the doom3world forums wrote. He's willing to configure and change it to best suit our needs. I'm basically beta testing it for him. This means there's no problems from the animations side of lip sync and facial expression, its up to you coding boffins to work out your end of the deal.

I like the gold one best too. I kinda like the "welcome home" tagline as well. But I don't know anything about Silent Hill so it might be totally inappropriate. This was a fun contest, I wish I could participate! I made one anyway, just for the hell of it. Turned out more like some bizarre modern piece of art ala Stanley Donwood than a movie poster though artsy and a variation After looking through the photos, I think they should go with this one myself. Not so much horror but it's got a great deserted/spooky feel.

I was playing an FM the other day, and it got me thinking about thief and its universe. I just love how insted of having somthing that can only happen 1 way, like pushing a button, they make many ways of hitting buttons, insted of the 1 standard walk up and smack it method. What are the plans for this(if any) in TDM? Well we be able to shoot them with broadheads/moss etc(assuming they will exist in some form)? Might you even take it farther by making ANY physical object capable of hitting buttons/moving leavers? Maybe even bodies of guards? I just wonder because I grow tired of the closed in linear universe of so many games, where theres a leaver/button that isnt easy to get to, but it isnt really a leaver/button, its an object that can only be interacted with in 1 way, via activation through proximity or touch. Thats one thing Ive always been interested with in gaming/computing. The idea of building a world that operates on basic principles, where there isnt really 1 way of doing anything. Where you dont have to wonder whether or not you can do somthing, apply the basic principles to it and anything that would work will. Buttons/leavers are a simple example but they serve the purpose well. Another, slightly off topic question I had regards AI attention. I love in thief being able to use noisemaker arrows, but they have drawbacks(if you want it to be realistic). A guard would probably find this noisy ass arrow, and then realize without a doubt that there was a thief around. Are there any plans to make noise in general attract attention, not just noises from specific sources? I always thought it would be awsome if you could just throw somthing and it would cause a guard to go look, not in the "search" mode, but just in a curious non-threat mode, and after seeing the object, be on maybe a slightly higher state of suspicion, but not actually worried. It just goes back to my thoughts about how I would like games to work, where you build a system basic enough that it can expand the possible playing styles/gameplay beyond what one could do by just coding every senerio one can think of. I hope not too much of this has been discussed elsewhere, Ive been reading around on these forums a while unable to post because my registration was being silly.

http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=2955 thats where you'll find the newest version. you have to wait till an admin transforms you into a beta mapper though (damn it admins, stop being lazy! ) Welcome aboard

Oh come on, there’s no way to manipulate that one statistic. The number that speak Welsh has risen, the statistic shows that clearly. And the only reason women have the vote is because they protested about it, and the only reason segregation came to an end is that black people did something about it. Are you saying fighting against a lack of equality is a bad thing? How dare us want what is fair! We can only protest against the government, we can’t protest people into learning a language. I don’t follow people around with a big loudspeaker braying at them to learn Welsh. People have shown that thy want to learn Welsh. If the government made Welsh equal to English we’d see a further rise. LOL How exactly are we emotionally blackmailing anyone? Yes, I had guessed that your hatred of anything Celtic was caused by those twats. They’re a political, nationalist group though. Just because they want everyone to speak Irish Gaelic doesn’t mean supporting the continuation of any language is a nationalistic, political act. As I said, it’s being artificially killed off, not artificially maintained. With the history of oppression and the Labour government’s hate of the Welsh language it’s surprising it is still around at all.

You’ve missed my point. My point is that the English and Americans are happy enough to tell every other culture to lay down their arms and let the big grey water of Anglo-American culture wash over them, but if the situation was reversed they’d want to keep living as they were. Ah, so you do think the English language is somehow superior! What a coincidence that it is the only language you speak. And since when do the Spanish and French have meetings to decide which words go in and out? If the public start using new words you can’t stop them. You’ve got blinkers on. Once again, if you don’t speak a language and, in your case, admit to knowing nothing at all about it or the culture, any achievements are invisible to you. The Welsh language has a raft of literary achievements – the only kind that can be appropriated to a language; anything scientific, inventions, ecetra, could happen in any language. As far as ‘what have the Welsh done for us?’, the history of Britain is full of Welsh achievements; a welshman gave you a health service, a welshman steered you through the first world war, a welshman invented protestantism and brought to an end catholic rule over Britain, without Wales you would never have been the industrial superpower you were, the list goes on... so without Wales Britain would be a poor catholic country full of sick people ruled by Germans. Hooray for you. As I said, the Welsh have achieved ‘great things’. But we don’t want Welsh just to be remembered, it should live on. Many are learning Welsh, because they want to. The number of Welsh speakers has grown from 18% to 21% in the last census. You can’t force anyone to learn a language, they do so because it’s worth the effort. Nazi Germany won support because it claimed that the German culture and German people was superior to all others, and that the entire earth would do well to be united under this one culture. The Welsh don’t want the Welsh language culture to spread ay further than our border. England has a great culture of its own that is currently being dumped for ‘Britishness’, a fuzzy idea that doesn’t really mean anything. No, it isn’t. There is an active campaign to kill it off. As recently as last century school children were beaten by teachers if they spoke the language at schools. The current government refuses to give the language equal rights with English, or make it an official language. The minister for the Welsh language, Alun Pugh (I’ve met him and interviewed him) can’t even speak Welsh. The Labour Assembly has decided to close the Welsh Language Board. The only thing keeping it alive are the people who continue to speak it from day to day, like me. I think you’re confusing us with Irish Gaelic. They’re trying to bring that language back to life; Welsh is a living language spoken from day to day by thousands. I’m only 21 you know, not some old fart like you; I am the younger generation, and the generations younger than me are speaking the language too. Welsh isn’t confined to dusty books; there’s a vibrant welsh youth culture. Check the listing for Welsh language gigs and there’s at least one every other day. We were supposed to stop bothering, by your count, about a century ago. How the hell do you visit a language in a museum? And what exactly are the people who speak Welsh missing out on? I can enjoy everything you enjoy and a whole other culture that’s equally as rich. It seems to me that you are the one missing out.

THe Japanese aren't in a position to make such a demand, and never will be. I suspect the anglo/american culture will be at some point. Certainly the English language will become almost ubiqutous, not by force or any command, but it will continue to naturally flow through the world until it's simply common sense for everyone to learn it, just for the sake of having a global language. English already has a good head start, it's already more widely geographically dispersed than any other, and has huge financial backing. What the English started by force, the Americans are continuing. I think english is a good language. It isn't full of snobbery, like Spanish or French. They have grand meetings where they decide what should and shouldn't be part of their precious languages, whereas English constantly evolves naturally, no one can force words into it, or block them from entering. It developed from the confluence of half a doxen differnet languages and contiunes to take words from other languages. It's certianly the most cosmopolitan of all languages, and maybe that's why people have an easier time with it. You can communicate them in different ways in different languages. That's not the same as communicating completely different ideas. Whatever ideas you can communicate in welsh are obviously useless anyway, since you've never achieved anything noteworthy as a culture. At least Greek and Latin speakers achieved great things, and their languages deserve to be remembered, they have a decent case to argue, but you have none, apart from 'we want to keep Welsh alive simply becasue it exists' It isn't strong enough to survive. The very fact that people have to campaign to try and keep it alive, proves that it's dying. Big deal. THere are people who could construct a beautiful poem in Elvish, and that language was only invented 50 years ago. I could make up another language today and construct poems in it. What does that prove? Literature has nothing to do with it, the only relevant argument for keeping a language alive as genuine and officially recognised, is how many people want to speak it, and for welsh that number is very small. 60% of your population can't speak a word of it, and only 20% are fluent. What do you want to do - start forcing schoolkids to learn welsh? What kind of viewing figures does S4C get? I bet it isn't even financially viable, and is no doubt propped with subsidies. Nazi Gernamy wasn't a culture, it sprang up virtually overnight and was held together by fear.and lies. It was the work of a few individuals, and withiout them it wouldn't have happened. If it was, then you've just proven how nasty, dangerous and vicious nationalism is, so I've won either way. Also, everyone knows that you're automatically beaten in a forum argument as soon as you bring up the nazis. No one is actively campaigning to murder the welsh language and culture, it's dying a natural death. You and some others have it hooked up to a bunch of machines that keep it barely alive, but that can't last forever. You'll all die eventually and the people that follow won't bother. You can't hold back the tide of the modern world for long. Welsh culture and language are relics, they belongs in the past. Your grandchildren can read about them in history books, and visit museums to see them, but they shouldn't be forced to actually live it, when the modern world offers them so much more.

I see, so you're saying that everyone within the welsh culture behaves exactly the same way, has the same interests and dresses the same, are you? No, of course they don't, so don't come out with such dozy statements as 'if there were no cultures then everyone would be identical and all wear the same grey suit' There's plenty of room for individual diveristy without flag waving and moat construction. Trying to artificially maintain any culture is pointless. If a culture isn't stong enough to survive, then let it die. The world is slowly gravitating towards unity, and that is a good thing. The point is that you can't communicate anything in Welsh that you can't communicate in English. In fact, English has by far and away the largest vocabulary of any language, so there are far more ways to communicate most things in Engish than in any other language. Two thirds of the people in Wales can't speak a word of it, so it hasn't really got much of a chance, has it? Those empire builders all started off with their own strong notion of culture, that their culture was so good that other cultures would benefit from it, and of course, those other cultures thought so highly of their own culture that they were never going to give it up, they'd rather die, and so that's what they did. Their culture was more important to them that their life. So, you see, it's this notion of culture that's at the root of the problem. You can't force unity on people, it has to evolve naturally, but that's never going to happen as long as people insist on stickng so doggedly to their dusty old traditions and clutching their cultural baggage like their life depends on it. One person's interest is another's boredom. Don't assume that becasue a few Welsh people care about Welsh history, that it means it's actually important or is of interest to anyone else.

How much of latin and greek survives today? A few decaying fragments? Who knows how much cultural history has been lost? A few empire's worth, anyway. No, having a few dusty academics being able to read latin doesn't mean the culture has survived. We don't ask that the internal workings of the company be in Welsh, just that they provide a Welsh service to the customers. So no, no mounds of paper work. Translation is £60 per thousand words, so a company could have five hundred door signs and product names translated for that much, plus the small cost of putting these signs up (not much, since the Welsh usually appears on the same sign as the English). The cost is tiny. Employing a native speaker costs no more than employing an english speaker, and there is no short supply of Welsh speakers in Wales. False. Having the right to speak a language is having the right to live your life through it. I wouldn't expect to be able to speak Welsh in England just as I wouldn't exect to be able to speak England in France. But not being able to use the Welsh language to fulfil your basic needs (buying food, paying for petrol, ecetra) in a country where Welsh is the original language of the country, where the national anthem is in Welsh, is a terrible state of affairs. The Government say they are all for preserving the Welsh language, but when people can't use a language in day to day life it will inevitably die off.

Yes they can, myself included (to an extent). And people will still be able to read Welsh even if it is no longer used as a day-to-day language. The point is that a language falling out of mainstream use does not mean that its cultural history will be lost. If your business produces lots of documentation and is required by law to maintain Welsh versions of eveything, there will be an ongoing cost in relation to the employment of translators or native speakers. It may not matter much for a corner shop, but for a large web-based business the expense could be considerable. They already have the right to speak it. What they seem to be asking for is the right to be understood in it, which is something completely different. I have the right to speak in Latin if I wish, however I cannot expect service providers to use the language just because I refuse to use anything else.

Culture is OK when it is referring to art or music, but all too often it is used to justify inhumanity and aggression. As in, we shouldn't be against beating your spouse/mutilating your children's genitals/the death penalty/creationism because it is "part of [someone's] culture".

Maybe that term is not used on foreign forums... Flooder - someone who writes useless posts.

Heh...you think it's bad online? Just imagine what I put people through in real life? I get far too much enjoyment from delivering completely 'deadpan' serious lines, on the most serious topics. You all think I'm nice huh? BWAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA! Actually, I'll run this idea by you guys and see what you think. I was contemplating how completely talentless I am the other day and how I can't even play guitar well enough to go busking and make a few extra dollars. Then a revelation hit me...what if I could use that lack of talent to my advantage? Here's the concept. I'm going to buy a really crappy acoustic guitar and loosen the tuning keys so they keep slipping after strumming for around five minutes...we're talking about the guitar going very out of tune...I'll probably keep the E string tight so I can use it to retune easily though. The gag is that I will blame the cold and keep needing to stop in the middle of songs to retune, I'll become flustered, cry...curse..you name it. It will all be in the name of performance art. I will also do it in disguise, so that I look like I'm homeless. I figure I'll either be avoided...or get mercy money. Seriously a sign that I've had too much time on my hands recently but I think it would be fun as hell.

Alright, let me make the question a little more specific, then. What will they look like? From the previous concept art I saw, they looked a lot like the 'bots in the T2 cutscenes, which I took as a very good sign. But , of course, the concept might have changed a lot since then. (Hint, hint: a screenshot would do wonders here. Even if somebody just re-posted the previous concept art. I can't seem to find it anywhere.) Also, if you don't mind me asking, do you have any plans for different types of robots in the works?

Hello there, I know it's been awhile since I've posted, but I'm still watching your project with eager anticipation. Today I'm interested in whether you are still planning to implement an AI character similar to the robots/steam beasts of T2. I seem to remember seeing the concept art for one of them awhile back, and it made me almost wet myself because they were one of my favorite enemies in the Thief series. I've looked over old posts, and it seems there was some talk about putting them with the Inventor's Guild, but lately there has been hardly any mention of them. Are they still slated for release? And if so, are you thinking about giving them any unique Dark Mod twists?

Already happening http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101261