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I've posted some concept art for this: http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=3760

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@Demagogue Whoops, forgot to finish that thought. The other advantage of having them shouldered is that you can carry them through doorways, tight corridors, up short ledges or something else they might get stuck on if you were dragging them. I don't think we should allow carrying bodies up ladders or mantling while carrying a body though, that is pretty unrealistic. There are some reasons for adding dragging: 1. It's faster to start and stop moving the AI, no matter what we do there would be some delay moving them to the shoulder, whereas dragging is pretty much instant as soon as you frob the extremity and go. 2. It allows better positioning of the body. For example, if there's a shadow along the wall, but the AI won't fit in the shadow area lying down, drag them into a sitting position sitting against the wall. If you're trying to hide the AI out of sight somewhere like a large crate, you throw them in but their feet get caught on the ledge and are sticking out, grab the feet and push/pull them the rest of the way in. 3. It's "immersive." In RL you would expect to be able to manipulate individual parts of the AI, and the technology to let you do it is already ingame, so we might as well make it all the more believable by including that option. I think you're making some assumptions about the control scheme that aren't true. There are ways of making it very easy to input which you want to do. @Obscurus: We'll hopefully be able to reach some sort of compromise. Maybe the noise of dragging an AI isn't that loud, as in it can only be heard within a 1-2m radius, and maybe shoulder an AI takes 5-10 seconds (trust me, that will feel like a very long time ingame). Re:Health potions The FM author has complete control over what's available in the pre-mission loadout and what objects are in the mission for the player to pick up. If the author doesn't want to put in any health potions, they don't have to.

Hmm, I don't know of a list, unless you're referring to BT's mansion floorplan post (which I doubt). http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showt...1038&hl=mansion

ah, do you have that list of rooms requried in the mansion? Its hard to make a floorplan without them. I remember seeing a list somewhere (and i'm sure i printed it out), i hope its still on the forums.

I was being silly. To tell you the truth I am unsure about the vibe of the forums, whether they are light hearted or serious. It is childish that comment I made. And I apologise. Sometimes I feel like my back is up against the wall here and I resort to what the great Japanese sword saint Miyamoto Musashi says with regards to dealing with multiple oponents. I have to check the graphics card at home. So loading is the only issue? Surely the more powerful the system, then shouldn't be affected by the loading times so much?

First rule of Thief related forums: Don't take ZylonBanes comments to heart. He is always like that. Most of the time I like his comments though, because they go usually straight to the core.

As I said I took ZylonBane's one personally, not anyone elses, and I was making a comparison, not a generalisation, as not all American teenagers are spoitl. Good for you if you're an American. Pity you obviously can't accept other people's opinions just like ZylonBane. Good thing Domarius and some of the others can. Ombrenuit, we were having a proper discussion about 3rd person modding, difficulty etc until it got sidetracked. Obviously there are a lot of jerks on these forums, you included mate. It's good to see that some of the folk from a certain country getting defensive and taking the whole thing personally, then changing it to race etc. I apologise to the good people from that country who've added to this topic in a thoughtful and nonabusive manner.

We have the arrow models in Odd's pack, so perhaps someone should give them to drumple to use (or do we still need the low-res versions made?)? If we're going to be putting arrows into the game they might as well be the right ones. Here's the high-render shots (I think the gas arrow had been replaced with a cylindrical canister instead): Drumple, since you're playing around with the bow, any chance you could look into modifying the position of the hand/bow so that it doesn't block the spot you're aiming at? http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=3611 edit: Ah, here's the updated gas arrow and noise arrow:

It's an honour to have Dom, Isht, and spar actively engaging in this thread. By the way, to humour you, I'm reading darkmod forums in Links after getting tired from learning bash scripting (I don't have X installed, nor do I really want to into my 32M of mem.) and it's nice to be able to quick reply and see that these forums are Links friendly.

For anyone that doesn't know, Fingernail -- the guy at the top of the team listing here (ok, everyone should at least know that much, although I haven't seen him post so much in the public part of these forums lately, but anyway...) -- Fingernail valiently represented the UK guitar-players in fine style yesterday at the European UK young musicians competition and only missed winning by a clearly fixed vote , everyone I know that saw it agreed he was tops (all biased, of course) . He also happened to play some of my very favorite music in the world, manoche genteel aristocratic style classical guitar. So I thought I'd pop in the OT forum here to give a good shout out: Good show Fingernail!

If I remember correctly, this project was inspired by Thief, which traditionally is presented in first person. This project was not inspired by Splinter Cell, and for good reason, they are different experiences. Thief makes you feel as if you are Garrett, you aren't playing a game any longer, but rather, you are a Thief, and you get the rush robbing in turn. One thing I disliked about Thief 3 was that I was constantly reminded that I wasn't Garrett, but rather, I'm watching him. When I climb I get to see his hands fumble on the ledge. The goal of this is to immerse the character with realism, but for the most part, it doesn't immerse me, it does quite the opposite--it distracts me. Traditionalists of the series praised the first person view of the other games because you felt as if you were the character. Looking glass *could* have put in a third person view, but their audience wasn't the one who wanted it; the exception was Theif 3, but that was put into place to support the Xbox and give the game more of a "console" feel. Although that wasn't done by Looking Glass, was it? As for comparing Thief to Metal Gear, please. As far as the only one I've played, Metal Gear Solid, there aren't even shadows. There is no reason to put the effort into a third person view, and for the most part, why are we even discussing this? It's a waste of resources to compensate for the gameplay by adding new animations etc. It's a waste of time. Think from the developers perspective because certainly I don't want them wasting their time with a third person view to appease a new audience in the Dark Mod forums when they could be spending it with features that would please everyone. In short, it's nice that you want to argue about whether or not the feature should be added, but you aren't the ones making the mod. Though you are certainly acting as if you are. If you want to include the feature yourself, you are more then welcome to. I imagine you'll quickly find it is more trouble then it is worth, but of course, you want to make a whole game as well? Oh sure, piece of cake. Happens all the time in fact. Good luck.

http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=3606&st=50 Why don't we try it out, and see if the effects on the physics are really that noticible? And if they are, maybe we could just treat physics values seperately? People would have to remember that the numbers for physics don't equate to the real distances, they are still in doom units.

Thanks Domarius. I've planned what I'll do now. I'll obtain the PC version of Thief3, having the XBox version already, and design levels first. I'm going to look at the modelling stuff aswell as ligthing then start to read the DOOM3 stuff later on, closer to the Dark Mod time, where I'll obtain Doom3 PC and hopefully have a bit of experience by then. I was looking at the Doom3 forums and that Ninja Mod looks decent in the 3rd person. The camera is slightly far away. Is it possible to bring the camera closer and also maneuver it to a Splinter Cell/Thief DS style of one?

I was talking about ZylonBane, not you sparhawk . I was also being light hearted. The thing is you guys probably know of loads of places to find good quality stuff and info. Hence my asking. I use google a lot. I'm not hot on technical stuff. Maybe I should join the Doom3 forums myself. Have any of you actually played any Splinter Cell games?

I enver changed it, simply because I never had an image. I did find the cursor in the .pk4 however, I'll hunt it down again. These forums seem kind of empty, I had question, is the main menus in the other thread in game yet or not?

It's been a while since that news page changed, over 2 months actually, a good news article could simply be a culmination of things decided on the forums and maybe a quick FAQ cuz there are LOTS of questions oft asked on the forums that suck up threads...

http://www.doom3world.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=3017 This is all you really need. Everything I learned about Doom 3 level editing I learned from the tutes at Doom3World.org It even has forums for each 3D app, and I know there is a modelling tute to show you how to create a "Plasma Tick" from start to finish and get it into the game.

So where do I get these freebie ones from and how do I incorporate it with Doom3? As you can see I'm new to this. Are there any online tutorials for all this stuff and I don't mean the sticky topic linked to DOOM3 forums.

Hi ZylonBane. Good to see ya from the Ionstorm Forums. Yay. =D

Well, my menu problems finally are sorted out, and I come to find that there is in fact menu work going on. I'll read through everything in this/all the forums tommorow and try to get back on track, good to be here again

When in the 1970's word spread out about the mouse-window computer interface as opposed to entering text some people were excited. I am no longer excited about using a mouse and a monitor to play thief-like things. When time permits, (in a few years) I'm going to buy some equipment like 5DT Data Glove Ultra Wireless Kit and hi-Res800™ (2D/3D) and try to make darkmod into what I wish it to be. The movements of hands will correspond generally to various forces applied around you in the environment (eg. climbing an overhead branch or beam, something that's not possible in traditional engines), deft maneuvering (eg. to snatch a purse or slide by in a door half-ajar) and gesticulations to control variables such as movement vectors and positions (crouching, holding breath, etc). It's nice to see that already people are having success viewing their favourite games in 3d (since all computers games are "3d rendered" now people call them stereovision to be clear), eg: medal of honour allied assault, system shock 2, (thief doesn't work), soul reaver 2, .. these guys got doom 3 working with 3d. http://forums.stereovision.net/viewtopic.p...1760&forum=5&10 site about drivers and computer game stereovision benchmarks: http://www.stereovision.net/toxicx/1050info.htm

I think you are overestimating the amount of skill that is out there. I would glady make textures if I had the time (hell I even applied at one point), but unfortunately I am just not that good at making textures. OK, but not that good. The problem is that once you learn a couple of simple techniques in modelling, texturing or whatever, you are immediately seized by the notion that you absolutely rock at modelling or texturing, just because you can produce stuff that you wouldn't have thought possible before you started (I've been there myself). Unfortunately, this applies to everybody else as well, which means that your own work is in fact pretty average. The result of this is that there is a big discrepancy between the number of "modellers" and "texture artists" who drop into the forums, and the number of actual talented individuals who can make a real contribution.

Hey Pak- The SFX sound great! It's good to hear your posts again. eerie03_loop.ogg and eerie04_loop.ogg make me start looking behind me! Creepy stuff! The only suggestions I might have is to notch some of the high parts out of eerie04_loop.ogg just a bit. It sounds a little loud on the high end and might cover up some of the other sounds in the mix. Just a thought..... doesn't have to be changed though. eerie05_loop.ogg and eerie01_loop.ogg sound like something straight out of the original Thief series. Good work!!!! They are perfect! -Sax