Is warning tied to greeting?

[Springheel]

I have a situation where I expect an AI to be issuing warnings about a missing object to his friends, but he never does. I've turned off his ability to greet (canGreet 0)...does that spawnarg also affect warnings?

[grayman]

It shouldn't. At first glance, I only see it being used for greetings.

 

Remove the canGreet = 0 and see if it starts working.

 

If not, I suggest a small test map with a couple generic guards. Set canGreet = 0 and see if warnings occur.

 

Atm I can't dig through the warning code. Can do this later if need be.

 

Only friends warn each other. Neutrals don't. If that matters.

[Springheel]

Hmm, I tested cascadetest.map and missing object warnings seem to be working fine. I'll test the canGreat flag, but it might have something to do with distance as well. IIRC, AI will warn of missing objects in a smaller range than murders and other alerts, correct? Are these values exposed somewhere so mappers can modify them (for an especially important missing object, for example).

[RJFerret]

I just double-checked, added canGreet 0 to an AI and she immediately announced to others and they joined the search.

[RJFerret]

IIRC, AI will warn of missing objects in a smaller range than murders and other alerts, correct?

 

I was surprised how far AI can be away to notice a missing object, it seemed to be their line of sight, as long as it was lit of course.

[Springheel]

Ok, it's not canGreet.

 

edit: ok, additional confirmation that it's not cangreet.

 

I was surprised how far AI can be away to notice a missing object

 

Yes, the range they notice it is around 500 units, I think. But there's also a cap on how far away they'll warn other AI about it. An AI who notices a missing object and then walks to the other side of the map won't tell the AI there. But I forget what the range is.

[grayman]

Warning ranges are hard-coded.

 

enemy seen = 800

corpse found = 600

missing item = 500

evidence of intruders = 400

[grayman]

I was surprised how far AI can be away to notice a missing object, it seemed to be their line of sight, as long as it was lit of course.

 

Factors affecting this:

 

Illumination at the spot where the item was.

Size of lost item. (Bigger lost items should be easier to notice.)

LOS from spot to AI.

AI's FOV to the spot.

Distance from spot to AI.

Visual acuity of AI.

[grayman]

There is also a vertical limit, beyond which a warning won't occur.

 

If the spot where the event took place is more than 100 vertically from the spot where the AI is considering warning another AI, the warning doesn't happen.

 

I don't recall the reasoning behind this, but it made sense at the time. Perhaps something to do with AI being on different floors of a building, and not wanting to spread the word from floor to floor.

[grayman]

AI have to be w/in 200 of each other for a warning or greeting to take place.

 

If an AI is fleeing, this limit is increased to 600. The timing is different when fleeing, to the distance is increased to account for it.

[grayman]

There are a few more conditions, and those conditions vary with what's happening and what's happened in the past.

 

At this point, if it still doesn't work, I suggest posting a test map showing the problem. Then I'll have a specific situation to debug.

[Springheel]

The issue is the distance. 500 units seemed like a lot in the cascadetest.map made of small hallways, but it's not that much in large rooms--the church in St. Lucia is about 800 units long, so if a theft happens at the front of the room AI won't bother telling AI at the other end. Same thing is going on in my map.