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On 2/3/2023 at 8:26 PM, stgatilov said:
I looked at it, and it is enabled.
And it seems that this is default...However, I don't think it actually can handle larger than 2 GB addresses
Usually, processes can access about 3.5 GB with LAA.
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3 hours ago, Daft Mugi said:
Good point! I just did a test, and I found when I drop Bellero, mantle, crouch, and (lean) frob Bellero, the longest frobbable distance seemed to be around 38 units. So, it's good that 41 units at least covers that scenario.
Attached screenshot in third person.
I agree. I'm for keeping climbing while shouldering a body.
It sure does! Less frustration, and more fun!
I would say, just have the max height configurable via cvar, so we can fine-tune it later. And maybe add a shouldered mantling animation time multiplier cvar that linearily slows down mantling while shouldering to simulate encumbrance.
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29 minutes ago, kingsal said:
@STiFUJust a heads up if we do change the rope climbing rules it will break Cauldron until I can fix it. This would require redesigning a good chunk of the mission and I don't plan on doing that any time soon.
I think we should leave shouldering while climbing as is to avoid breaking anything, but we should probably fix what @peter_spy just discovered. Maybe disallow dropping bodies while attached to climbable.
Anyway, I guess we are all on the same page regarding shouldered mantling: Waist-high only. @stgatilov noted on the bugtracker that the current implementation doesn't tie in well with the existing mantling conditions. So, my suggestion would be, once 2.11 is out the door, we'll fix that and whip out a dev release. Sounds good?
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2 minutes ago, Daft Mugi said:
In released builds (i.e. TDM 2.10), ladders, pipes, vines, and ropes are climbable while shouldering a body.
I know Volta 2 requires shouldering a body up a vine.
Probably too late to change this, because some missions depend on it and players are used to it.
Oh my, this is embarassing for me.
I was sure this was not possible, sorry. I guess sometimes your mind plays tricks on you. Maybe I just never tried because I implicitly assumed this was too unrealistic to work. Your point that it is too late to change this, is absolutely valid then.
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13 hours ago, snatcher said:
Wesp5, if I can go up a rope carrying a body, why can't I step on a freaking bed?
Good catch. If that's true, we have to fix that!
That's not intended design, as far as I know.
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@datiswous, @Daft Mugi, @wesp5, there are some valid points and questions raised in this thread, which I am happy to address in a lengthy post soon, but at the moment, I am really sick with a nasty cold, so I feel I can't do them justice. Maybe another team member will answer them in my stead, otherwise, you will just have to wait until I feel better.
In any case, @Mods, could you please move this discussion to a separate thread like "About our release and decision making processes"? This has nothing to do with beta anymore.
FYI: To check which team members are still active, you can just visit their profile and check their "last visited" timestamp.
Edit: I now saw that @Dragoferalready gave a good answer to most questions, thanks.
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13 hours ago, Daft Mugi said:
I'm an outside developer who saw this bug tracker and submitted a patch. I was given consent to submit more patches.
I'm collecting more information, so I can better understand the problem I'm solving.
What's "aggressive" about that?
Of course, all your contributions are welcome. The thing about this specific feature you are implementing is that there was no universal agreement about it within the team to begin with. Just because something is listed on the bugtracker, doesn't mean it is an accepted featurerequest. Anyone can write anything to the backtracker. Furthermore, your patch changes core mechanics in a significant way that have to be thorougly tested not only for 12 hours by you, but by a whole testing community for a week at least, and @JackFarmer already described two maps that would soft-break by this feature. Lastly, you want it to be included now, i.e., at the end of beta phase. Our current beta build is a release candidate, which means that, if no further issues are found, it will be released as is. I am afraid, it is simply too late. You can of course just offer a modded 2.11 with your change included.
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12 minutes ago, peter_spy said:
If I may, I don't like the somewhat aggressive way of pushing for changes, especially in core mechanics, which seems to come from just one person's idiosyncrasies. And it's not the first topic I see like that in the last few days.
Well, I wouldn't put it that harshly, but changing core-mechanics is definitely not for the beta-phase.
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Ok, let me start by saying that TDM was never supposed to be a simple copy Thief 1/2 mechanics in a newer engine. It was always catered towards the more hardcore players, seeking a challenge.
Do we really need to restrict mantling while shouldering at all?
> Yes, because all the 100+ existing FMs were designed with the current ruleset. Changing the ruleset afterwards could alter or even break the vision an FM author had for their mission and that is something we explicitly want to protect because these authors sometimes put years of work into their missions.
If we restrict the player while shouldering, what should the rules be?
> It was argued that lifting a body over small ledges is already possible, by dropping the body and moving it around without shouldering. This is very cumbersome, however, so being able to mantle small ledges while shouldering would be a nice quality of life improvement.
While shouldering, what's the tallest object that can be mantled?
> Waist high. Height could be controlled by a cheat-cvar.
While shouldering, should there be different object height requirements between crouched and standing?
> Yes, crouched should be lower. It would create some additional tension to have to stand up to perform the mantling.
While shouldering, can the player mantle during a fall or jump across to another ledge?
> Player cannot jump while shouldering. Conversely, he should not be able to mantle while shouldering and falling.
While shouldering, what mantle types are allowed out of: push, pushNonCrouch, pull, pullFast, hang?
> Definitely not hang and anything pull. That is only triggered for big heights. While shouldering, it should probably play the usual viewport animation, but a bit slower.
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28 minutes ago, datiswous said:
I actually for quite some time have been wondering what the internal forum is for.. I get a feeling that the normal forum discussions aren't really decision making, this is just giving opinions, until hopefully a dev has the same opinion and then it might get discussed properly. It's almost like it's useless to come up with an idea for something because the internal forum is for the decision making and nobody knows what's being discussed there.
I mean, yes, obviously there is an internal forum where decisions are made regarding how to move forward with the game. That's how things work. And not just in our team, everywhere. Or do you see Apple discuss their business plans and new "innovations" in public? That being said, the team values all well though out ideas, feedback and suggestions, but even if everyone agrees that a certain feature would be nice to have, it doesn't automatically mean that it's going to happen, because there has to be a dev willing to do the work. You have to remember that we are all doing this for free on our free time. Every dev picks the task they are interested in the most. And that's precisely the reason why these excruciatingly long beta phases are so annoying: they prevent you from doing the stuff you really want to do.
TDM is open-source and you can do with it whatever you like, but for something to be integrated officially into the game, the team has to agree on that. If you want to see a feature happen, implement it yourself and send in the patch, like Daft Mugi does. But be warned: Not everything listed in the bug tracker is a feature that has been fully agreed upon. It is always a safe bet to ask first, before doing the work. If you patch is not integrated into the core mod, you are of course free to offer it as a mod for TDM.
Regarding the internal decision making process. It is rarely about personal preference, but more about:
- Is it in line with the existing vision / look & feel of TDM?
- Could it break anything?
Number 2 especially applies to breaking FMs, which is a no-go because of the enormeous work mappers have put into their FMs.
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Yes, sorry about that. We could be clearer with our communication in this regard. However, please understand, that it is really not that common for external contributors to be working so much on bug fixes and new features, so this is kind of new to us as well. And of course the team has to agree upon all contributions, regardless of external or internal origin.
The beta was announced Dec, 2nd, and that was also the moment for 2.11 feature-freeze.
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Just saw the discussion on the bug tracker. Please don't feel discouraged, @Daft Mugi. A lot of your stuff has already been integrated during beta phase, which we usually never do, so that's actually something you can be proud of. Once we start beta, we have a feature block even for long standing devs. Only bugfixes go into trunk at that point. New features are only commited to feature branches and will be integrated in the next version. But I get it. I've been in your shoes a few times myself.
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33 minutes ago, Daft Mugi said:
I've spent a lot of time recently submitting patches to fix some bugs and working on a few things that I think would really improve the feel of TDM for 2.11. They are very small changes, and they are meant to polish what's already there without changing or breaking anything for anyone.
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- Added player "tdm_toggle_sheathe" cvar and "Toggle Sheathe" setting (6232) (thread).
- Renamed "New Missions" to "Missions List" in main menu (6230). @nbohr1more cleaned up my original patch. Originally, proposed by @snatcher (post).
- Fixed initial difficulty highlight on Objectives screen (6229). @stgatilov cleaned up my original patch.
- Fixed Objectives title slightly cut off on low text scale (6234). @stgatilov cleaned up my original patch.
- Made it possible for the player to change "pm_noclipspeed", so noclip speed can be set (6237).
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- Make the inventory parchment background (dds file) separate from the "Missions List" parchment background (dds file). Without the patch, if you change the inventory background, it will also change the main menu. Patch submitted (6241) to decouple the inventory background from the main menu. This is meant for players who want to edit the inventory background (dds file) themselves (e.g. reduce its brightness without affecting the main menu).
- When you drop a long distance and land in a mantle, damage is shown after the mantle animation is complete. Partial fix submitted (6231). I think I'll need @stgatilov's help on this one. Bikerdude was very kind and provided a test map for this, which helped to expose an issue with my original patch.
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("pm_mantle_while_shouldering" cvar available in 2.11 beta 7) It was requested by Bikerdude one year ago to allow mantling while carrying a body. Due to feedback, I've submitted three patches each with a different behavior, starting in August 2022 (5892) :
- (Patch v1) Always enable mantling while carrying a body.
- (Patch v2) Only enable mantling while carrying a body if "pm_mantle_while_shouldering" cvar is set. This is already available in 2.11 beta 7.
- (Patch v3) Restrict mantling at the waist. There is no agreement about how this should work yet.
- I've spent over 12 hours of work and testing on (v3) so far, so it would be incredibly discouraging if a final decision is not made between versions (v1), (v2), or (v3) for 2.11. Personally, I think patch (v1) always enable mantling while carry a body is best. This matches Thief 1 & 2 and does not require a cvar. If (v3) is chosen, the rules need to be decided.
These are the final issues / bug trackers I have for 2.11. I hope they can make it into the final release of 2.11, because I think it would make TDM feel more polished and give a better first impression for newcomers. And, Thief players would have a better first time.
There has been a long internal discussion about mantlling while shouldering, and it has been pretty much inversally agreed upon that v1 and v2 are a no-go. v3 was the best compromise we came up with: A nice quality of live improvement while staying true to the original gameplay rules that mappers have designed there missions around. However, not everyone was 100% onboard. If you have an implementation for v3 already, that's cool. Are there any open questions about this or why are you saying that there was no agreement about how this should work?
Generally speaking, 'though, I am very surprised @stgatilov is letting bigger changes like this in so late in this beta phase. We are usually very restrictive about new features as soon as beta starts because it usually just prolongs the beta phase.
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I don't have strong feelings about this. I simply don't use the toggle-feature of "holster" right now, as I only every press the button once.
However, I don't understand why one would double tap holster in the first place, @Daft Mugi?
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Mortal Shell is free on epic right now. I rated this game 7/10. Here is my review:
QuoteAlthough this Soulslike does not have deep RPG-mechanics, I found it surprisingly hard to get into at first. That is due to three things: 1) The "Rogue-like"-DLC is confusingly integrated into the main game via an NPC; 2) Because of that NPC, I did furthermore not understand the bonfire-mechanic in this game; 3) Many of the control schemes are not properly explained (but there is an ingame manual you can refer to). Fighting is quite tough at first, especially because healing is VERY limited. You can heal yourself using one of your Magical abilities, but those can only be performed after a successful parry. I was really excited that this is supposed to be a parry-based game (much like Sekiro), but I soon found out that the timing of the parry is not reliable at all (more like Dark Souls, bummer!). This is because you have to time two processes simultaneously: the incoming attack and the extremely slow “shield-raising-animation”. The game would’ve been a lot better if the parry was instant! That being said, fighting is still quite fun! The strongest aspects of the game are the mind-boggingly beautiful graphics and sound effects, ‘though. Story is almost non-existent. 7/10
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4 hours ago, datiswous said:
I'm starting to see a pattarn..
Maybe subscribe?
I am just not that active at the moment around here, that's all. It'll come back eventually, 'though.
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On 12/12/2022 at 7:02 PM, jaxa said:
Ghost of a Tale 100% off on GOG
https://www.gog.com/en/game/ghost_of_a_tale
https://www.gog.com/giveaway/claimDAMMIT! Missed that one. I had this on my whishlist for quite some time.
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1 hour ago, Hooded Lantern said:
here use this link and never miss again
its my startpage
I usually just use the unread content button, which is pretty much the same thing. But alas, it seems like I just haven't been visiting too often the last few weeks.
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Oh wow, how have I missed this thread for two weeks?
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When I read the thread title, I thought this was some Spam for Elder Scrolls Online...
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2 hours ago, chakkman said:
For my freebie of the day: Portal with RTX was released today. I can only recommend to download it if you have a beast of a high end PC though. Even in Full HD with reduced settings, it runs like crap here... Well, apart from some more graphics eye candy, it's the same game as the normal Portal anyway.
On my 3060 Ti at 1440p, I had to switch to DLSS performance mode and reduce the light bounces a little, to make it half acceptable. Control and Cyberpunk had a lot better raytracing performance.
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44 minutes ago, jaxa said:
This is probably the start of better-than-usual giveaways from Epic Games.
Starting with Saints Row IV + All DLC, and Wildcat Gun Machine. Next week's free game is not named to build hype.
There's rumor that starting 15th, there will be a new free game on a daily basis again.
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I haven't played God of War and A Plague's Tale. It's just a gut feeling on my part.
That being said, I wouldn't mind the rankings at all. You can be sure that all nominees are of pretty high quality, so no way to go wrong with any of them.
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Nominations are in... What are your predictions?
https://thegameawards.com/nomineesI bet God of War is going to homerun this thing. Elden Ring is just too long ago and now God of War is all the hype. Best RPG for sure goes to Elden Ring, and maybe best art direction to A Plage Tale, but the remainder, it has to be God of War.
Hopefully my Indie-Favorite SIFU wins one or two awards, too. Neon White also deserves a win in my book.
Best adaption has to go to either Arcane or Cyberpunk: Edgerunners. Edgerunners is not as good I think, but same as with Elden Ring, the hype around Arcane already dried out, whereas everyone is still kind of talking about Edgerunners.
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