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Raven have had a history of taking id's engines and doing very creating things with them, pushing the bar, like you said SplaTtzZ Haven't played Q4 but Hexen is the best example i've seen - they made smashable windows, moving walls, all with the classic Doom engine, and also designed the levels in ways that tricked you into thinking it was doign things the Doom engine couldn't.

Hurrah! Another fantasy MMORPG! WHat's special about this one - well for a start you can play for free for six months. THey are making the unusual move of releasing a scaled down version of the final game, which will not be out for six months, and the actions poeple take in this game (called Settlers of Ganareth) will be added to the lore and history of the final game. Secondly, the size, it's absolutely massive, the biggest wolrd ever, and there are no loading zones either, plus there is only one world server containing every single player. Third, you don't have to do the old fight-monster grind.. YOu can get XP just for exploring the gigantic world. There are also great thief classes in it. I always like to try new MMORPGs to see if I ever come across a decent one - well it has to happen one day, surely. The fact that this is free for six months gives an even better reason to try it. It'll be released this month some time. http://www.darkandlight.net/

@Forsaken: Welcome to the DarkMod forums . As you can see, everyone has gone waaay off topic. This always happens Even i have lost wtf they on about lol EDIT: just read your tag, hello HeXen

we discussed this, texture wise a while back. It'd be quite easy to make a little program to rip assets out of a Thief install and into D3. More useful for soundbites than textures though, given the small resolution and lack of bumpmaps and what have you. So yeah, pretty much possible, but it's not on our priority list right now. Also welcome to the forums.

I've been pondering the very same idea in my head for some time. That if Thief art, sounds, etc., can't be distributed, instead an application or script or design method could allow the original Thief assets to be used if they exist on the player's machine. Yep, I have no doubt something like this will come into existence, whether designed as part of original release TDM or not. TDM missions with Garrett and Benny. Ha! :thumb:

Someone was also saying something about a randomizer, or that info is kept in text documents and a ranomizer could make many things quickly. It's in the Free Form Thief World thread http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=2657 If you made a hallway and looked at the text in the .map file, could you then make a program that would put the hallway with your settings into the file, then go into the editor and move it where you wanted?

IT just looks all mishapen, and there's no cheekbones, plus that big fold coming down from the nose to the mouth is too long and protruding, it starts too high and ends too low. THe mouth is very oddly shaped, especially at the corners. THE chin is too fat, flat and protruding. THe head is too round and the shap around the eyebrow ridges are wrong. THe ear and the nose are the best parts. It's getting better for sure, but it's needs a lot more subtle shaping. THere's a great thread at CG talk deaing with head topology. http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=38469

Sure. That's right. It depends on what you want to learn. I know from my history lectures that I never had a teacher who raised my interest in this topic. Only one year was different because the teacher was quite different and I was quite surprised that this could be an interesting topic.

Thankyou very much! To answer your question - I am taking a Bachelour of Multimedia - which means I have to do everything Programming, sound, animating, 3D, web design, digital art, and boring stuff like project management, software engineering... I won't go on. Actually I'm doing 2 different majors Interactive Entertainment (video games) and Internet Computing (web stuff), which is why I have a mix of fun and boring stuff.

Impossible. Like it or loathe it religion is hard-wired into our brains. Completely seperate cultures have all come up with their own gods. No one came up with the idea of religion one day. If we wiped away all traces of religion someone would start a new one pretty soon. I said this: I never said I wanted to get rid of any killfest games, just show that there is a place in the market for non-killfest games. Yeah right. If he were in two minds as to whether God existed or not he wouldn't be calling for a total cull of all world religions. I was refering to this atheist: he's managed to take a few threads that had nothing to do with religion and turn them completely in that direction. Should an unsuspecting forum member make even a passing comment about faith or spirituality of any flavor, Atheist will descend like one of the Furies, mercilessly hectoring all of the ignorant and delusional believers about the sordid history of the church and the pernicious effects of religion on society.

He could be agnostic, tho That was only half of his criteria. He also said: "Aboloshing all religions utterly". Therefore, he was mentioniong wiping the history slate clean and making religion something we don't even know about; where the word wouldn't even exist and we'd have no desire or incling to 'invent' it. All the games I listed involve 'annihilation of your foes.' I was being a little facetious, as I figure you were maybe only talking about killfest games... but you did say it!

Abolishing all religions utterly and permanently wiping all record of them from our history books would be the single greatest thing humanity could achieve. Even better than interstellar spaceflight. I don't think it would stop people from being violent towards each other, but it would remove the main excuse people use to justify wars, and the main source of faith that people draw on to bring themselves to kill another human being (psychopaths aside), and if people can learn to think instead of clinging to the pathetic vices of faith and belief, I think people would generally behave themselves much more than at present. I doubt very much that violent video games have any effect on the levels of violence in society, but I am sick do death of games that revolve entirely around shooting things and killing. Not because I have a problem with violence in games per se, but because it is boring, unsophisticated and cliched. A fisrt person sneaker with no weapons is long overdue, and it is sad that classic adventure games have all but dissapeared. I would rather be challenged by difficult cognitive puzzles than by finding enough ammo to kill the next level boss etc..

And they ignore the lessons of history - I'm sure most Germans thought that Hitler would never be a problem at first, and thought he would be a good thing for their country. Anyone who trusts a politician is an idiot - they are almost universally pathological liars who will do anything to retain and expand their power, and to force their own agenda on people. There are a lot of idiots running around, unfortunately.

Well, I guess this is also a tradition. A president is voted for 8 years, and this tradition is hard to break. Were there any presidents that were not voted again after the four years period? I don't know much about US history, but I would be surprised if this were a frequent occurence. They do this here as well. Every second attack on freedom is either motivated by saying it helps fight terrorists or by saying that it helps fighting paedophilia. Last year the word terrorist was mentioned so often in the media that it even registered consciously with me. Normally I hear radio very often and it just flies by, but this was mentioned so often that I couldn't help but noticing it. Catching paedophiles is also a very popular because it create a lot of emotion. And of course if you try to stay sensible, then you can be easily accused to be a friend of, or even ARE yourself a paedohile.

Most people will only fight back against oppression when it directly effects something they deeply care about. Most of the 9-5 tools are being oppressed from useful thought by being conditioned throughout life to get an education for a job in which they repeat the same meaningless cycle everyday and only spend their offtime recovering or entertaining themselves and giving no effort to expand their mind or change their wasted life. The same is with most of us posting from work. Posting on forums accomplishes very little, and is mostly for venting. If you truly hate the measures taken to 'protect and prevent' terrorism, do something actively about it. Posting on boards about it won't change it.

Obscurus! The Catholic Church is great, IMO. Do you hold the keys to the heaven and the earth? I think not. I can't see how any Thief fan could not appreciate their contribution to the world's art and architecture. St Peters is my favourite architectural marvel. OK, they were horrible in their day, but you know... "cuckoo clock". I'm sure any other religion with such easy access to young choirboys would have just as many pedophiles in their ranks.

uhh...can he even see this thread? or has someone frgotten, because he asked for "any news" in that thread in public forums.

They look better in the game than in the pic. You can see the detail and 3d-ness there. In fact I should make a gallery map iwth all the characters on rotating plinths so you can see them properly I'll put in on FTP instead of CVS, o I can rar it and make it a lot smaller download, since there's a lot of textures involved. You're having a laugh, right? I've already got at least another 40 charcaters to make, and then dozens of heads for them all. After that I will no doubt have to make dozens of objects and static meshes etc, and help out with the animations. By the time I've finished this, I think can safely say I've made more different characters by myself for a single game than anyone else in history.

I guess you could say that 3D art skill is modelling skill multiplied by artistic skill. It doesn't matter if one of them is mediocre as long as the other is high, but if one is zero then your work will be crap no matter what.

I don't sketch at all when doing models. I tend to work on the fly with no ridgid plan. Models are so pliable and easily fixed that I don't need to worry about making mistakes. I did do a lot of painting and drawing for many years before I ever touched a computer, but I wasn't anywhere near as good at it as I am at CG only after 3 years. Modeliig is a bit of a misnomer here, since I'm as much a designer and texture artist as a modeler, as are most good modelers, so it really takes in all three arts of sculpture, painting and draughtmanship, so a background in 2d art defintiely helps in 2 of those areas, if not all three.

Are you referring to drawing an idea you have in your head onto paper before modelling it? That is certainly valuable, but that is not what I understood by Domarius' reference to life drawing. Based on the few art classes I took a long time ago, life drawing is the technique of looking at a scene you have in front of you, such as a bowl of fruit, and rendering it onto paper. This is quite difficult for many people (including me), because you have to project your 3D view of the scene onto a 2D image, which requires you to disassociate yourself from the objects and symbols in the real-life scene and draw exactly what your eye sees, i.e. areas of colour, darkness and light. Modelling, by contrast, requires you to consider the 3D structure of the object and duplicate that, irrespective of how the particular view of the object appears to you, or how it is lit or shadowed.

Making a realistic character isn't about modelling at all either really, its about being an artist. Modelling only takes you so far as to know how to place polygons the way you want them to form some sort of shape and avoid certain problems, and use the interface of the software you're using. After that, getting a good likeness of anything is just art, so you should look for information on life drawing tutorials or something.

http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=2732

CoC: Dark Corners of the Earth has been released for the Xbox. PC release date is still unannounced, but hopefully soon. I'm posting here because a) all the fans hanging around the Headfirst forums seem to be impressed so it has recommendations, b ) it appears to be intelligent, atmospheric, and has stealth gameplay, as well as a few scares, so maybe Thief fans will enjoy, and c) because Bethesda is doing such a sh|te job of marketing this game that the devs have worked very hard on and many fans have been waiting a looong time for. By all reports it deserves a sequel and that's not likely to happen if no one hears about it, no matter how good it is. I'd give you my firsthand impressions, but I'm still waiting for the PC release... So buy it (but probably somewhere cheaper). Or learn more about it. Or just go hang out in the forums and wait for the PC release like many others Cheers, Entropy aka Athysbane in CoC forums

Ack! And that's one of my pet peeves. Even the History channel, which is one of the only consistent quality TV channels out there, strokes it when they say or endorse someone in their shows saying, "the government officials ADMITTED it was a UFO!" UFO means "Unidentified Flying Object." UNIDENTIFIED! It doesn't mean "alien." I could throw a dog turd past someone's head, and if they don't realize what it is, it's a UFO to them. As for the original topic, I hope people will post more ghost stories. I enjoy reading them, and actually envy the writers in a way. Everyone wants to believe in something, wants to believe we're not alone or without a higher purpose, and whether the viewer's interpretation is correct or not, it has to be somewhat comforting (if not completely life altering) to have faith in something. I only wish I was lucky enough. I remain an unlucky skeptic, looking for scientific evidence of things, instead. Anyway, I watch UFO shows and usually end up yelling at the TV (call it perturbed amusement ), but I won't miss them just the same. I have zero belief in Roswell type of crap, but at the same time, I fully expect there is life elsewhere out there.