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Could some one actualy optimiz the engine? since ION is gone there is no hope for the game so if some one made a custom patch that re optimizas the engine then the game might run way better. might be posible. and why in the fuck is there no thief series channel in your forums. this web site should be the fucking data base of the thief community. everyone should be here in steed of looking glass forums or small forums through out the net. and the circle will never update so what ever. you mod is the future of thief btw. if you havent realized. if i was u i would make a whole thief series section below the dark mod ones.

Macsen: Journalist with some interest in writing, architecture and fantasy. Does some work for the Hammerite Imperium and Dark Mod from time to time. ZylonBane: Obsessive compulsive fidgety nanny who gets riled up over the smallest mistakes. Probably a member of the apostrophe society. Does nothing for Thief other than try his best to scare fans away from the forums. Who is the loopy one? I have too many bones in my mouth to comment.

Starforce shall soon die. > Not only did that Starforce forum admin boner post a link to wares right on the forums (linked earlier), and public voices are speaking out (editor of PC gamer, also linked IIRC?), but more publishers are stepping up and refusing to use it. No StarForce in NA SpellForce 2

Hmmmm, this post is very much like you, oDDity. What is the exact difference between Ishtvan goes to the model forums because he needs something model-ish and oDDity goes to the sound forums because he needs something sound-ish ?

Exactly, and if programmers need any special modifications for models they come an tell me about it, there's no need for me to search the coding forums looking for something that might interest me, it's usually all illegible nonsense as far as I'm concerned. At least when you guys come to the modeling forum you can look at the pretty pictures. Still, hopefully everyone knows where to look for sounds now.

It looks like you used an atlas unwrap. YOu really want to use unfold3d. http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=2052

Hmm, do you think a request thread in the beta-mapper forums would make sense? Or even better, a feedback thread? My point is that I'm unaware of any feedback from people actually using ambients and sfx so far, but we need that in order to straighten things out. I fear that in a year or so someone will drop in and say "sorry Schatten, but your ambients pop so much they burst my eardrums". I'd rather be able to fix issues in a progressive manner than to rework the whole bunch.

i was thinking you should have a support paypal tho, pay 5$ US or so and be able to be testing the latest builds with the team and provide feedback in the dev forums. I'd pay simply cuz I wanna help... course youd have to put stipulations on ppl, like make them sign a non disclosure agreement so they cant leak crap without being sued. anyhow just a thought to earn the team money.

Starforce possibly intentionally discrediting developers: http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10527 IMO the majority of those who crack games do so because they never had any intention of buying it. You don't really lose a sale. That doesn't make it right, obviously, but that's just how it is. You were never going to make that sale.

I don't have any images with a mesh on them handy, but here's an example of a texture and normalmap. and here's the normal map generated from the highpoly model with d3's renderbump: Which was used for the following model: http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?act=A...ype=post&id=774

1)You don't get what I'm saying. I didn't mean Carmack gives the source code on release day to make them sell more. I meant Carmack gives the sourcecode, whenever he does, just to please the fan boys and have them buy his FUTURE games just because he's such a Saint. You did agree Doom 3 was boring after all... Just showing how this "every nice thing Valve does is purely based on profit" can work just the same for ID if someone really wants to say it. In the case of Doom 3 modding, you prefer getting the source code some 5 years from now when the game is 100% dead rather than get better developing support from the start? You might as well stop working on The Dark Mod then and get back to it when the D3 source is available, if ever. Unless I missed something and it's already released? 2) Well, your quote tags were annoying since they didn't work, I didn't want to do the same. I guess you just typed them wrong though since they work on your last post.

What about this one from our very own forums?

heeeey, that's pretty sweet! Well hell, i guess your choice now is if you want to be a beta mapper or a team member. The only differences are: Team Members: *Always have access to most recent mod crap *Have sort of a deadline - for example: when we make our campaign us mappers will have to crank out levels like they're cheeseburgers *Are LEETER (jk ) *Usually have to be quite active on forums (ie: not disappear for years) Beta Mappers: *Get Builds rather then constant access *No deadline - they are doing just their own things for themselves - their own fm's rather then predetermined things *No obligation to be super active but feedback is expected from them, such as bugs possible improvements etc Both: *Both take part in making tutorials for FM-making directly related to DarkMod. They don't need to do this but it helps if they discover a new way of doing things and document it for the whole community to use in the future *Give their resources to the DarkMod team to be packed with the mod so there are more models etc to use upon release (no point keeping a model to yourself - plus it's part of the agreement of joining the team - whatever you create you have rights over but the community is free to use it only for DarkMod related missions or tools etc [i don't know if it encompasses T1/2/3 too]) Basically now you have to choose which suits you better. I have spare time usually quite regularly, so I have enough time to be a Team Member, but if you have very sparse time then it might be a better idea to join the beta mappers. None is better then the other, just depends how much time you are willing to spend into TDM. Once you choose NH or Spar or whoever will give you the correct privileges etc. Welcome on board wherever you choose @NH: I'm expecting he's coming on board - he's good at mapping AND modelling - which is excellent

Hello and welcome to the TDM forums I'm glad to be able to tell you that mantling is already finished (and is extremely good, much better then in thief 1/2 or 3) AI is in development and so far they're going great We have several Team Mappers and several Beta Mappers atm so if you wish to apply for a position in either please send an application to recruiting@thedarkmod.com and New Horizon should get back to you soon. Well, the SDK allows many things except access to the renderer, however you can do many many things with scripts. You can make a script for a map to make for example a monster appear after a certain time somewhere etc. So in general, D3's scripting is very good. Hope that answers your questions

hehe, on the Dev forums Odd can be reasonable, but also the same as here. Plus i recall a few times when he was level headed here.

I think further discussion on starforce should be in a starforce thread. That topic is totally going to take control of this thread and is easily worth it's own thread. Go here; http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=3435

Hi and welcome to the forums Those cars and shotguns are very nice in regards to detail very very nice. As to a modelling position, we could use good modellers afaik (NH will top up the details hopefully) but our biggest problem atm is that we don't have too many skinners. BTW, that Audi is very sweet

I dont' know, it's probably has something to do with smoothing errors. I dn't use max or the max exporter, so you'd be better asking o nthe doom3world forums. The guy who wrote that exporter hangs out there, so he'll know if any one does. A word aboutt he textures. YOu dont want any details in the diffuse map if you're putting the same detail in the normal map. YOu want flat colours generally. You certainly don't want any specular detail in the diffuse map, you want the specular to be dynamic, not static, so that should all be in the specualr map. I changed them quickly, the normals map is done with the nividia plugin, and it's usless for anything other than small texture details. You really need to be modeling high res versions of the model and generating the geometry detail normal maps from that. I know it's hard to get out of the old habit you picked up from texturing in older engines where all the detail is in the diffuse map. THe spec and diffuse maps shoud be looking something more like this, and you get a better result.

This optimisation can most likely help avoid checking every light every frame; http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?s=&sh...indpost&p=49600 (This is an anchored link, let the page load completely so that it auto-scrolls down to the relevent post.) In this thread you said you would check it out, what do you think of it? I don't think you really need to read the doc - just the post I made, to get the gist of it. I think the doc might have useful equasions though.

Thanks for the feedback guys. I will base the real sword drawing anim on #2 then. Sneaksie, this is the thread where I demonstrated the sword is too long. http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=3195 We concluded you'd be pulling back the frog to pull it the rest of the way out, but you can't do that with this model. I'm sure in real life you can draw a longer sword, but there are some (quite reasonable) physical restrictions on this rig.

THe player will be able to drop everything. Zylon may remember I had this exact argument on the Ion forums for T3, which turned into a bit of the flamewar. The T3 team were a bunch of worthless cunts, but we aren't, and we'll be doing it the right way this time. FM authors will be able to flag certain iems as undroppable, if they are essential for the mission, at all other times the player will not be forced to carry redundant equipment. THis should rarely be necessary, FM authors should not have to stoop to such hamfisted methods as making tems undroppable, they should make it clear in readables or other clues if a certain widget is needed for a certain door.

Hehe, that issue is a drop in the ocean compared to what is going on in the dev forums right now, on the related issue I mentioned. Not to worry, it'll get sorted soon, it always does.

Actually I think the confusion has arisen from a different issue. Changing the default "droppability" of things will only make sense depending on the rules for what can be dropped and when - and judging from some of the posts, this is still unclear between team members. I've raised this issue in the dev forums.

While it has been brought up even before this public thread started, I appreciate your understanding of how separating the lantern from one's person can be useful. It's useful in a variety of situations too, not just a special case in a single FM. Setting the lantern down to do other things while lit could be useful anywhere it's dark. The great majority of FMs contain places that are dark. Why should this use of the lantern be limited to an FM where the author has specifically gone in and toggled droppable on? For that reason, I don't think this statement of yours applies to the lantern: Again, it makes sense anywhere it's dark and the player chooses to do something requiring both hands with more light provided by the lantern. You can't predict where that spot will be. It's up to the player and it could be anywhere. If we did make it an FM author option toggled off by default, how would the player know beforehand whether the author toggled the lantern to droppable? Are they expected to pull out their lantern at the beginning of every FM and test it? Or should they wait until they're executing a plan that relies on setting the lantern down for light, like they have gotten used to doing in other missions, and all of a sudden find it's superglued to their hand? No immersion break there. Or even better, you could let them know in the mission briefing. "I have a simple job planned for this evening... Btw, LANTERN IS DROPPABLE." This is starting to go in circles, but I simply am not convinced that this needs more policing than a simple player option of whether to hit the "drop" key. A rational player stays prepared for the worst; if they don't know whether they'll have to go thru a pitch black area, they'll aim to keep the lantern with them in case they do encounter such an area. We all agree that setting down the lantern is not totally useless, in fact it has practical uses. I just hate to see the usefulness of a tool decreased because we choose to baby the player instead, because they might manage to throw their lantern down a bottomless pit. If LGS had taken that approach with all of their player tools, tools would have been a lot less interesting. Anyway, I'd say vote on it if nothing is being resolved by debating, but internally, we already did decide this issue by majority. If Domarius is really not happy about it he can post a new poll in the development forums and see if anyone's changed their mind. I don't think anyone's going to change their mind by now if they haven't already.

Nice looking gate, Mag. You can continue to email the models to me if you like, or you can check out the information forum for the details of our FTP site and put them there. Either way, if you check this post: http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=3147 it will give you the folder structure we use for the models. You can also check the information forum for details of our internal model website, which displays all the models currently in game.