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Ahhhhhhh, yes My natural avarice concerning shiny things got the better of me, I wondered why Now I know I can see I'm going to have to think out of the box a bit more with this, 6/6 secrets & all loot One tip for newbies, don't click if you don't want to know

Is it bad that I read that as "tdm porn test" & not "tdm pom test" It may be time for my eye tests again

Hmm, in the first mission I found could some kind person suggest where I could look for a clue to the Loving this mission btw

QFT, I play Thief DP, MA & DS as well as TDM Can't quite bring myself to get the latest incarnation of Thief though

Well they were guests, I did invite them, so blackjacked would have done, mind you they did eat the bbq I did so they may have been assassinated they just don't know it yet

Thanks guys, unfortunately you picked the one weekend where I can't play them for a release Anyone want to take some guests off my hands so I can get stuck into these And once again, many, many, many thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pju-RPhMAaA&start=108 Jump to about 1:10

So as I managed it on Hard with only the one KO can I take that as an expert ? Loved this mission, usually I don't like forced ghosts & I definitely don't like having my blackjack restricted but it fitted nicely with the story, if you're trying to impress a potential client then the more guards you leave active the better. It looked beautiful, guards were nicely placed & routed to make things hard but not impossible. Could have used a hint about the but that's a very minor thing And thank you for hiding loot , I always look there when there is one and it's always nice to be rewarded for the effort. Excellent mission, it would make a great start to a campaign

I have to agree with this, TDM is definitely one of the more civilised forums I visit, please accept my apologies for the suggestion And I honestly can't remember which mission it was so please don't assume it was yours, I've played most of the available ones and while some weren't quite to my taste, they were all damn good. I take the point that IRL generations of artisans have become very good at hiding doors, but IRL we have tools for locating them we can touch them to feel for temperature differences, knock on the wall listening for the hollow sound or these days we use scanners, these things aren't usually available in a game world* so some other technique needs to be available. No problem with not providing an indication if the door can't be opened from this side, it stops the player wasting hours looking for the control to open it for a start. Thank you to all the mappers for the missions to date, I really must get my finger out and have a go myself * - I have used the knock on walls trick in Thief to check if people hid doors as the entire surface of the wall & found a few secrets this way, doors make a noise, walls are silent

OK I know they are secret and therefore should be hidden, but there ought to be some clue that they are there, especially if they don't frob and are switch activated. Wear marks on the floor from opening/closing, slight changes in colour, a break in the pattern, a seam round the edge, a footprint in the dust, something. I've noticed in a couple of missions that secret doors blend seamlessly into the wall which is ok if it's following the pattern of the bricks or the seam coincides with a natural edge but in at least one I've seen a hidden door blends into solid stone without leaving any kind of seam or edge, sorry I can't remember which one. Now I'm sorry, I don't care how good the architects of these places are supposed to be, if you have two pieces of stone, wood or metal there's going to be a boundary between them that can be seen, it might be faint but it'll be there and the player should be able to see it if they are paying attention. Ok whining over, let the flaming commence.

TTLG have done it currently the second announcement on the home page Headers come back as Content-Type: text/html Server: Microsoft-IIS/7.0 X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.13, ASP.NET X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:39:01 GMT Content-Length: 27067 200 OK

Just remembered this thread, if we're going to revamp/rejig/fettle the site in some way, any chance we could include the GNU Terry Pratchett thing ?

Just scored a some brownie points by knocking up a couple of pinhole cameras to watch the eclipse with :smugbert: Would have been a lot more had we not had solid cloud cover but I'll take what I can get And we can use them when we do have some sun, probably be 10 minutes in June sometime And as I look out of the window, the skies are, of course, clearing

A man is not dead while his name is still spoken. - Going Postal, Chapter 4 prologue GNU Terry Pratchett It'd be a nice gesture for the TDM site, but if you don't want to or you can't, don't worry about it. http://www.gnuterrypratchett.com/

If I have comments on Thief fan missions or games I make them over on TTLG, if I have comments about TDM & it's missions I make them over here

Originally Manchester, now Sheffield where I've found that for some people the War of the Roses never ended

I never think of the character as Garrett or whatever the game designer has called them, I think of the character as me, I don't drive a marionette around, that's me in there and yes I lean forward in my seat to peer over the bottom of the screen and sideways to get a better view round corners ... I probably need help

Our problem is that the Lords are there for life, in theory they can do this tactic to any and every bill heading through the house until they get their way and there's nothing the electorate can do to stop them, we can't vote for new lords, we cant remove their peerages. They can stall parliament, and stop every bill in it's tracks by forcing it into ping-pong between the houses by stuffing these amendment in, I think the only way to stop that is via the parliament act which would effectively dissolve the House of Lords and there would be no check or balance on legislation from the commons.

Nope And from all reports because these four Lords didn't get their way, they are going to try again next week. Smacks of stamping feet and holding their breath until they get their way to me. They are desperate to get this through before the election, because they doubt their chances of getting it through afterwards.

From http://openrightsgroup.tumblr.com/post/109243426910/terrorists-know-snapchat - Lord King of Bridgwater, former Defence Secretary and later chairman of the Intelligence and Security Committee, amending the Counter-Terrorism and Security Bill to include the text of the Communications Data Bill. January 2015. Or in other words Both Peers and MP's should not be allowed to vote on an issue unless they can correctly answer 2 out of 3 questions on it as selected by the opposition, and if less than 10% of the house vote, the bill is not passed. Oh, and abolish the party whip. Lawmakers should have a detailed understanding of the laws they make. I regard it as vote stuffing by whichever party is in office in order to have the lords rubber stamp legislation from the commons.

http://www.steampunktendencies.com/post/109170488160/wilderstein-19th-century-queen-anne-style-country

Well the amendment which was added because 4 Lords decided it was vital to the security of the nation and we would be subject to terrorist atrocities if it did not become law as a matter of urgency without it was withdrawn without a vote by their spokesman after wasting a few hour of the Lords time So not so vital and urgent My bet is they try again when they think no one is looking

I'm for that, I'd like it to be a fully elected house equal in authority to the commons, the difficulty is stopping it being a clone of the commons so one house ends up rubber stamping legislation made by the other. Maybe we could use the internet and have every piece of commons legislation subject to approval by the electorate, if they want legislation passed they have to explain it to us so we understand why it's necessary. Sadly National Security considerations would prevent anything like this from working and MP's would never submit to having their decisions vetoed by the mere electorate.

Anyone seen this abuse of parliamentary procedure by four Lords backbenchers Casually adding 18 pages of clauses from the summarily rejected Communications Data bill to, the pretty much guaranteed to pass, Counter Terror bill. These concerned citizens just happen to be Lord King the former Conservative defence secretary Lord Carlile the Liberal Democrat former reviewer of counter-terror laws Lord West the former Labour defence minister Lord Blair the former Metropolitan police commissioner Who were trying to create a security state when they weren't lords, seems nothing has changed. If this is allowed to pass then any random lord can simply staple whatever self serving clauses they like on the back of any bill thats going to pass and if no one spots it it will become law. https://www.openrightsgroup.org/ourwork/reports/abuse-of-parliamentary-procedure https://gigaom.com/2015/01/22/uk-terror-law-amendments-would-bring-back-snoopers-charter/ http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/22/snoopers-charter-changed-version-pass-before-election The reading is today, if it passes, kiss goodbye to any privacy you thought you ever had --EDIT-- I forgot to mention, they carefully removed any clauses requiring a judicial warrant, so it all happens with the permission of a senior officer of a nod from the home secretary, the legal system is excluded from interfering.

I see lots of it too, so I'm happy to leave it there