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Yeah, they would host an easily accessible and easily downloadable version of the game for those who either like or dont mind using the steam software, however greenlighting it doesnt mean the game would have to switch to steam completely. For example, the other FOSS game I was talking about, Warsow, has a non-steam download on their site, and they said once the steam version of their game is up that they will still have that download up.

Yeah that definitely would have been better music, however i still don't think the music in the trailer is dubstep.

You know, I honestly dont get why people are calling the music in the most recent trailer dubstep, it just seems like more modern electronic samples, which electronic samples (although darker) have always been present in Thief. Not that I am in complete defense of the actual TN1EF game but still that really isnt dubstep in the trailer.

I personally havent had much trouble with the updater, but some people would like to see a torrent or regular download released for the game, particularly this person: http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1313916&p=42462549&viewfull=1#post42462549 Do any of you on the team think this could be done?

Warsow, a FOSS competitive online FPS based off of Quake 3 is going to be distributed on steam, and was able to do so through Greenlight. EDIT: And as far as other games that are on there that will recieve no reimbursement money wise but arent FOSS, Toribashi, No More Room in Hell, Operation: Black Mesa (OP4 Remake), Neotokyo, Lost Story: The Last Days of Earth, and Black Mesa: Source (HL1 Remake) will also be distributed through steam.

Hey, just wondering, I was looking at the list of stuff in the To-Do list that can be done with IdTech 4 being open sourced, and im wondering if stuff like GPU skinning and fur shader related things have been worked on at all, since I would love to see the great facial animations that are in the Source Engine in TDM. Also, would stuff like adding Parralax Mapping, Subsurface Scattering, and Ambient Occlusion be possible? That kind of stuff would likely boost the game's graphical power and i think there would be ways to turn those things off for people who dont have very powerful PC's. High Dynamic Range would also be pretty cool.

It actually looks better since i found out the touch pads rely on Haptic Feedback rather than normal feedback. Im still going to reserve permanent judgement until i try it out though.

I too am part of the group of people that would like to see TDM up on greenlight. However, even someone like me knows there is one major catch to putting things up on greenlight. It costs $100 to put something up on Greenlight. Now considering the fact that Valve is offering to publish games made by people for such a cheap price, and the fact that its a one time pay too (per account) makes it VERY convenient compared to other publishing solutions. However, for a free game like TDM, its still a decent chunk of somewhat achievable money. If we could raise the funds through some kinda donation type thing that would be good, but other than that im unsure if TDM will be put up on greenlight.

Oh hey, thats pretty cool. Would be really useful to use with a Steambox! And the features on it are nice. Hopefully however, this will lead to linux being supported more by software publishers. That would be really nice.

I know, already loving thief 1.

It could probably be done with some coding magic. Also, now that I have Thief 2, im going to have to try out that mission once I finish playing through the series's storyline.

This isnt just making me think that FBA in TDM would be cool, but if we ever found a way to add "game modes" in TDM, playing as the opposition with a smart thief bot going around the level doing objectives would be pretty cool.

Alright, this say is coming from the perspective of a guy who is a big fan of Steam/Valve and is fairly new to this community, but im predictably going to say yes to this. This is a very very good idea to put this up on steam greenlight, whether we do it now or later it will attract at least a decent amount of people to take a look at it and (if/once it gets a steam release) play it compared to anywhere else thanks to how many people use steam, and likely some people with talent may find it as well. There are a good amount of talented modelers/mappers within the steam community and that should show through the Steam Workshop that is available for some games, mainly in this case through Team Fortress 2 and DOTA 2. Getting on steam would also mean the game would have a new platform for people to be able to receive the game and it could possibly lead to new features being implemented to it such as achievements or possibly even a stat tracking system of some sort through the steam version that could possibly be able to be done without steam as well to make sure every version of the game has access to those features. Along with that, the fact that so many people use and trust steam as a platform for PC Gaming means that once/if it gets greenlit and released on steam it would probably get even more attention than simply being put on greenlight, mainly because of the fact that they always announce what games are greenlit every time they greenlight a batch of games to go onto steam. But although I think putting this up on Steam Greenlight would be a great idea, I do think looking for alternatives is a good idea as well. Desura is another great option and that GoG system would definitely be something that should be considered if it did allow F2P/Just-Plain-Free games, but since thats not possible at the moment then I guess it will take some waiting for it to be possible, if it ever will be. And of course just simply bringing up the mod in other places than here and TTLG would help, im sure there are other websites out there that would be interested in hearing about The Dark Mod. All in all, I think its a good idea to put TDM up on greenlight, but I think it would be a good idea to just simply get the word of this mod out as well, which greenlight would quite possibly help with alot.

May I join in? I'd like to help, somehow. TDM is my first thief like game however so im not sure how in-depth i could get with crits. But I would still like to help if I can!

Good cosplay! Doubt that's marketing guys as cosplay can actually get REALLY intricate and to-detail. For instance: http://2.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/18/81/ee8a8ba62526b2b91a225cbbd742c275-incredibly-spot-on-bioshock-infinite-elizabeth-cosplayer.jpg And yes, she looks alot like the Elizabeth cosplayer from the picture. It might not be her though. (edit: how do i images)

Alright, Here goes! *change the terms of sale post-transaction, whether I like it or not: This is more of a personal preference thing to me. I dont mind it personally but i admit it can lead to some shitty stuff happening. But so far it hasn't *really* happened it seems, at least to me. *harvest my personal data and share it with third parties, or just keep it in some database that always seems to end up getting cracked by hackers eventually: If your worried about passwords, that's something you have to risk with everything with a database ever, including this forum. So its more or less better to just keep track of when something's database gets hacked or not. If your worried about credit card info, then find ways to buy steam games outside of your credit card. There are pre-paid steam gift cards that are sold at places like Best Buy and Gamestop if you want to stop by them that go in the amounts of $20, $50, and $100. Some countries dont have access to that however, in which case I would recommend you buy a pre-paid card that steam supports such as a Visa card with any amount of money that you want to use on it. And if you use your credit card anyway and are just worried if that info is going to get out, Steam's Database was only hacked once. Sure its definitely possible and even likely that they could get hacked again but when they were hacked they had account info pretty heavily protected, enough so that when people were warned that the database was hacked that many of them had plenty of time to change credit card numbers and passwords, so a heavy crisis was over-all averted, especially since the hackers were never able to actually crack valve's way of protecting user info as far as I know. And as far as the sharing with third parties part, that to me just seems sorta paranoid as I have never heard of or seen Valve do such a thing, and I doubt they would unless that third party was a branch of a govt. As far as your name, where you live, etc, that is just a really paranoid assumption and its likely anyway that wherever you live's govt and most companies you've dealt with already have that info anyway. *decide to shut down service, taking away access to my games: Steam is such a heavily used service and profit garner-er that I really doubt that it would ever shut down unless a nuclear war started, at most it would just change owners from Valve to some other company. And besides, Most steam games that I have or know of can either run without steam or be tweaked to play without steam as long as it isnt a MP only or MP focused game. Speaking of that, companies can shut down service to games by themselves, like if Rockstar wanted to, they could shut down Rockstar Club for Max Payne 3 if they really wanted to taff with customers. Valve usually discourages developers from doing that though and Valve also never shuts down access to games themselves unless such a thing REALLY needed to happen, such as the rip-off that was The War Z. *manipulate prices of games by destroying the second hand market... They can make everybody buy "new" copies of games, even games that came out over a decade ago and have not been officially patched or updated in 98% of that time. When you delete a steam game, you are able to re-install it through your account easily with no need to buy a new copy just because you lost it's files. As far as the second hand market though, currently Valve are sorta doing that to the PC market which is sad. But I don't believe it will last very long thanks to that german consumer group lawsuit so im pretty sure the second hand market will live on in steam through the steam community market. The patching for games though depends on the developer. Valve encourages it, but they dont enforce it because they want to let publishers/developers decide on it rather than them. Besides, when it comes to games that are over a decade old, its likely it's devs have either closed up shop like looking glass or it's devs arent interested in it because they are working on new stuff or just simply want to "move on from the old". I do know Valve themselves still updates Half Life to this day though! And i forgot to mention account banning being a part of the "re-buy games first hand" thing, which steam accounts rarely do get banned (aside from VAC which is more common) completely, all you have to do is follow the following: Don't hack in multiple MP games multiple times Don't get your account hacked from some dumb account phishing scheme Don't Hack other people's accounts or share your account password for some reason. Which is pretty simple as I don't believe you or anyone else here is really into that stuff. Hopefully I've done a good enough job at helping explain this! Im not trying to come off as rude currently but I am trying to explain things, which I'm honestly sorta used to people jumping at me violently for having an opinion for some reason.

Sotha, ive been skimming over your threads as of late, you seem to know a fair bit about what your doing. Im actually going into blender as a brand new modeler/animator currently with only youtube tutorials to accompany me (I have animated before in Source Filmmaker but it was nothing that could be applied to a game), and I have to say its sorta hard. I have been able to learn how to make some sorta crude models in it but nothing really good currently, so do you have any tips or good pieces of general advice? I know this isn't exactly a question related to The Dark Mod but once I learn im planning on including my work on animating and modeling in any fan missions that I do, as well as using it for other things. Also, A idea for your animation. Perhaps you could edit the current animation to make it so that they cross their arms and kneel on one knee instead of both knees? Or maybe you could make that a seperate prayer animation. Thanks!

Im gonna leave my opinion on this, but i seriously doubt any of you here are going to like it. Steam is a GREAT service for a DRM based thing in my opinion. Lots of (big) sales, A large variety of communities, a rather sweet content delivery system, and tons of nice community features such as user profiles and achievements make it over-all worth it in my eyes, which is a good trade-off for DRM. However I do admit it does have some flaws. Most of the flaws you are experiencing having to do with the game itself Bikerdude is because the publisher Rockstar Games wants you to use an account for their website for added features which may or may not be worth it (I dont have the game so I wouldn't know), which if it isn't worth it then thats just sort of an "oh well money spent" moment. THAT on the other hand is one of the few issues that steam itself has, the fact that you cant re-sell/refund your games was a bad move on Valve's part which im thinking is actually going to get fixed soon! "shut the taff' up, why the hell are you saying its going to get fixed? I dont see evidence of that anywhere!" Well, there are a few things to me that point out that this may possibly happen. For one, Steam recently added a "community market" function, which CURRENTLY allows people to sell their TF2/DOTA 2 items, games in their inventory (independent from library), and sell profile Smilies and skins on it. That "community market" option to me wouldnt surprise me at all if they eventually allowed people to re-sell games in their library through that. Another thing is that Valve is currently being sued by a german consumer group for not allowing it's users to re-sell or refund their games, which due to that they could keep themselves from getting sued by adding re-sell and refund options to their platform, which I dont think anyone would want to be sued (source: http://www.pcgamer.c...t-resell-games/). Finally, there was a steam game sharing feature spotted in a few pieces of code in a few recent updates to steam. What does that have to do with refunding and re-selling? It doesn't entirely have to do with it, admittedly. However I consider the fact that they may or may not add that a step forward to adding refunds and re-selling functionality to steam, which even I the big valve/steam fan here considers this an VERY GOOD thing that im saddened that they forgot about, or didn't want to add it. In the end, I believe eventually Valve is going to find a solution to your re-selling/refunding problem. As for the whole "Rockstar Club" thing, that is a problem with Rockstar itself and not steam, So I don't think Valve has any power over that. If you want to, go ahead and call me blindly optimistic or a taffin' idiot, Im just simply trying to help explain the whole problem, which honestly shouldn't have been a problem anyway. Oh well, at least im pretty sure its getting fixed.

Its quite honestly something I would love to do! ...Once I know how to use dark radiant.

I was initially excited for this game, but after hearing about how linear it is it is making me not want to buy the game. I think ill still buy it though to see if anything changed by the final release. However, with all this news exposing how linear the game is compared to the original games, its making me want to make a campaign of FM's for TDM, or maybe even an extension of the mod using it's (and doom 3's) source code. (if i knew how to code well )

Im almost certain Thief 4 PC will require Steam judging by the fact that most PC games out today require it. I, personally, dont have a problem at all with it being on steam. But I dont think my opinion really matters much in this case lol. EDIT: Sorry for the double post, thought there would be a post merging thing on this forum.

The fact that there is no mods for Thief 4 might have to do more with Engine Incapabilities or simply the devs not wanting to "see their work ruined" than "consolization", although "consolization" is still a possibility.

Im pretty sure it is if it was only announced a few months ago, thats not really that long considering the game comes out in 2014.