Training Mission candle light bug?

[Gwoosh]

Hello!

This is my first post here, so first of all I should express my feelings about The Dark Mod.

IT'S AMAZING! God, I was living blind without any knowledege of it. I'm huge fan of Thief world and now when I found this Mod... it's living again.

Thanks people for your efford. I'll let you know when I'm ready to help (I'm IT engineer). Now to the topic

 

After some tweaking actions now my TDM installation works quite well, but one or two things are still bugging me.

 

First, the candle light in Training mission. Please have a look at the video (20 sec). First candle in Lockpicking chamber, this unmovable one.

Is this light suppose to look like this? Is this a bug?

 

 

-Athlon x2 245, radeon 4850, winxp

-Catalyst AI disabled, no bloom, no AA

-tdm and the mission downloaded again from another source

-no more ideas

 

Can anyone help?

 

Thanks a lot in advance,

Gwoosh

[SiyahParsomen]

welcome Gwoosh!

 

Actually it's not a bug. Looks like it's a moving light source. As you can guess, source of light moving randomly in defined range. I think the default range is increased somehow after v.1, because I don't remember such a thing. Shortly, nothing will spoil your enjoyment.

[Fidcal]

I confirm it's doing that for me too but it's hard to believe it did that originally. The actual candlestick and candle should be no shadows I think. My first guess was that a definition has been changed in one of the updates but it's hard to see what unless the candleflame was made to oscillate more and it's clipping into the candle now. Maybe the candle model made slightly bigger.

[Springheel]

Tels made some changes that made older candlestick entities start casting shadows when they didn't used to. I've seen that in Outpost as well. I don't recall why it was necessary to leave them like that.

[Serpentine]

Almost all of the lights on the training mission are not true combo entities, rather light/flame bound to movables manually. So the flame entity seems to have been updated as to where it moves about, ending up with it intersecting with the candle base. This has most likely been addressed in the correct combo entity def, but wouldn't effect something a mapper manually made.

 

I spent a bit of time converting them correctly in my revised version. Guess this does indicate I should finish that off and update the released version

[Springheel]

So the flame entity seems to have been updated as to where it moves about, ending up with it intersecting with the candle base

 

I remember now; it's not the flame position, it's that the candlestick didn't used to cast shadows. Tels implemented a system that turns the candlestick shadow on once the light is put out, but it required candlesticks to have a shadow on by default, instead of off.

[Serpentine]

I remember now; it's not the flame position, it's that the candlestick didn't used to cast shadows. Tels implemented a system that turns the candlestick shadow on once the light is put out, but it required candlesticks to have a shadow on by default, instead of off.

 

Ah, that would make sense too. Still the same fix at least

[Tels]

Almost all of the lights on the training mission are not true combo entities, rather light/flame bound to movables manually.

 

Hm, yeah, I was advisign against that but it seems people didn't listen

 

Anyway, if you fix the training map, could you please use the already updated version? I forgot who sent it to me (might have been you, oops! My memory is so bad

 

http://bloodgate.com/mirrors/tdm/pub/training_mission2.rar

 

It was already extended a bit. I think this version still doesn't use the new location system and it still have the home-grown message system instead of the new one, but these things can be fixed at the same time.

 

Would be cool if we could update the training mission for v1.03.

[Serpentine]

Anyway, if you fix the training map, could you please use the already updated version? I forgot who sent it to me (might have been you, oops! My memory is so bad

Looks like it's mine, tho I've fixed various other things since that version

[Tels]

Looks like it's mine, tho I've fixed various other things since that version

 

Ah cool! Looking forward to include this in v1.03

[Gwoosh]

That's great to know that is not a problem with my hardware/system/tdm installation. That's also good to know that someone is going to fix/improve the Training mission.

I think it is important to refine the mission because it is a part of "first impression" to many people (as it was to me).

Looking forward to playing the new version!

[ungoliant]

don't wait around for the new training mission, go play some awesome FM's like NHAT, Caduceus, Glenham Tower, or HoLS!! Also for future reference, if you find any more bugs, maybe refrain from the youtube posts. Someone recently brought it up that bug videos just don't seem to advocate the TDM cause very well, and I'm tempted to agree. Lets keep the publicity positive.

[Serpentine]

don't wait around for the new training mission

I agree (because I have exams coming up next week -> end Nov). So things might get messy

 

Best. Academic. Ever.

[Gwoosh]

I didn't stick to Training mission! In fact I've already completed many above mentioned missions

Thank's for your advice. I'll keep youtube bug-videos more anonymous. But you agree that video can ilustrate the problem more precisely than 1000 words!