Fan Mission: Rightful Property - by jysk (2012/04/13)

[jysk]

I uploaded a new version with fixing those things (briefing, moss arrow, sheet of paper). Link ofc has changed again, because i cant replace files in rapidshare. >.>

[Oldjim]

Just completed it on hardest with the new build - glitches fixed but a couple of comments.

I collected all the loot but one thing confused me

the spectacles on the table in the bank illuminate when hovering over them but aren't frobbable. Also despite getting all the loot it tdm_show_loot showed one item remaining which seemed to be the spectacles

 

The second was either a glitch or you were being extremely clever.

 

In the bank I knocked out all the guards and dumped them on the lift from the basement and then lowered it to leave the bank. When going back to get some missed loot the lift wouldn't raise unless I lightened the load by moving the bodies off it

 

Edited April 19, 2012 by Oldjim

[grayman]

 

In the bank I knocked out all the guards and dumped them on the lift from the basement and then lowered it to leave the bank. When going back to get some missed loot the lift wouldn't raise unless I lightened the load by moving the bodies off it

 

 

 

 

I don't remember if they did, but if the bank guards have pauldrons, the lift won't rise, because it thinks the pauldrons are blocking it.

 

This problem is fixed in 1.08.

 

 

[Briareos H]

I had a great time. It's funny because in many respects this mission is rather opposite to SeriousToni's in strengths and weaknesses, though the overall story and feel are great in both.

On the positive side, there are many guards, great architecture and scene building, lots of hidden things and the place feels larger than it is, although it is already quite large.

On the negative side, my 4870X2 had some trouble rendering parts of the marketplace, I really dislike the brutal changes in ambient lighting when going through different zones of the marketplace or when entering/exiting a building, some of the guard patrols feel out of place or too artificial (for instance the guy circling in the guard house next to the bank), and I had a lot of trouble finding the required loot on the highest difficulty, because there's so much of it and it has so little value. I think the required amounts of loot are a little too high.

 

Thanks for the mission, I'm hugely impressed by both releases in the contest so far.

 

BTW if a moderator sees this, I made a mistake when voting: I wanted to put "Excellent" in story & text.

Edited April 20, 2012 by Briareos H

[jysk]

Yes, the ambient light changes sometimes when going through a Visportal, but i have no clue why. There is a single ambient light for the whole map. :/

[BlueSkyBullet]

Good; Excellent; Excellent.

 

Maybe, just maybe, more on those later...

[grayman]

Yes, the ambient light changes sometimes when going through a Visportal, but i have no clue why. There is a single ambient light for the whole map. :/

 

When entering a new location, the lights in that location can contribute to the overall ambient value. When passing from a dark location to a lit location, or vice versa, the effect can sometimes be jarring.

 

There's a spawnarg you can set on info_location entities:

 

"ambient_light_dynamic" "0 0 0"

 

This keeps TDM from adjusting the ambient value for that location when the player enters it. I've had to use it in a few spots in my WIP to turn off the sudden change in ambient light.

[nbohr1more]

Dragon's Claw had that issue too...

[jysk]

Thanks grayman, that seemed to fix it. o;

[Briareos H]

When entering a new location, the lights in that location can contribute to the overall ambient value. When passing from a dark location to a lit location, or vice versa, the effect can sometimes be jarring.

 

While that's a good idea and an interesting way to simulate coarsely eye adaptation, I would suggest that:

1. Lights which are outdoors (I don't know if exterior zones can be flagged easily) do not contribute to ambient value adaptation;
   
2. And/or: When entering/exiting a zone using dynamic ambient, that value is ramped up/down slowly over a few seconds.
   

Edited April 21, 2012 by Briareos H

[simplen00b]

When entering a new location, the lights in that location can contribute to the overall ambient value. When passing from a dark location to a lit location, or vice versa, the effect can sometimes be jarring.

I was going to post about this - I get 'flashes' fairly regularly (in many FMs) where the ambient light suddenly brightens for a second or two before going back to normal; 'Rightful Property' is the first one I've been aware of where it brightened and stayed brightened until I moved to another area.

 

I thought it was going to be something to do with my graphics set-up. Glad to hear there may be a fix.

[grayman]

I thought it was going to be something to do with my graphics set-up. Glad to hear there may be a fix.

 

Well, there's no code fix for this (atm). I don't think there's a bugtracker issue for it, so nothing's in the works, assuming the team wants to implement a change in the first place.

 

There is a workaround that mappers can use to avoid the problem if it's noticeable, and that's what I mentioned upthread.

[fllood]

What a large map for a four months build!!

Ambitious for a first release.

 

Gameplay unfortunatly is hindered with some dia-show performance on low-end machines, not only on the square open market place. Also inside the tavern and bank. You may like to check for internal leaks and consider fixing the ambient light changes like grayman specified.

I specially liked the bank, and the

 

shock moment in sewers deep down

 

Also that a lot of treasure had to be found scattered through all the map...

 

Congratulation and thank you jysk!

[simplen00b]

There is a workaround that mappers can use to avoid the problem if it's noticeable, and that's what I mentioned upthread.

Yeah, I assumed from jysk's reply to you above that that's what he had done. jysk - will you be releasing a version with that problem solved? I hope so - it was one of the few distractions in an overall excellent mission.

[jysk]

The verison upped now hast the ambient light fix (for the city, as i did not recognized the problem inside the houses or the docks).

 

Internal Leaks - there are none. The VP's all work, the engine just cant handle the scenes because it is too much at once. :/

Edited April 22, 2012 by jysk

[simplen00b]

The verison upped now hast the ambient light fix

Cool, except the rapidshare link keeps coming up as 'Download not available'.

 

I'll try again tomorrow in case it's a server problem.

[jysk]

The one on the TDM Page is not correct/old, the one in this thread here should work. ~

[nbohr1more]

Here's a new Dropbox mirror for the latest version too:

 

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17706561/rightful1.1b.pk4

 

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17706561/rightful1.1b.pk4

[simplen00b]

Here's a new Dropbox mirror for the latest version too:

 

http://dl.dropbox.co...ightful1.1b.pk4

 

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17706561/rightful1.1b.pk4

Got it - many thanks.

[nbohr1more]

@jysk:

 

If this is your final version (for now) please PM Greebo and let him know you want the downloader to have the 1.1b edition.

 

If you are planning on releasing one more tweaked version, hold-off until that is completed.

 

Thanks,

 

nbohr1more

[jysk]

If no more bugs/issues are reported within this thread that would be the final version. But i guess we can wait a few more days or so... ~

[raymeld]

I'm very much enjoying playing this one but , ( and I've been here before with Return to the City ) , is anyone else experiencing slowdow in the City area? And more to the point is there anyway to adjust the settings to help speed it up ? Maybe it's just me but i have a good processor and graphics card and 2 gb ram..Does tend to spoil some missions for me.

[jysk]

Yes you are not only the one with slowdowns in this area.

 

The scene is quite heavy and demanding on some views. The 1.1 upwards improved version of the map has some optimizations which may grant a few more fps (but it stays demanding). Regarding settings i dont know, perhaps you can lower your graphics settings which would certainly speed it up, but thats a mod related thing.

Edited April 24, 2012 by jysk

[raymeld]

Thanks jysk. Won't change my rating in any way when I finish it. Certainly my sort of mission! It is a shame though that this factor seems to hold Dark Mod back on some missions where there are lots of open doors , open spaces and torches or somesuch , at least for me anyway. The equally excellent Return to the City and Siege Shop (vs 1 ) gave me the same problems. I seem to remember Biker giving a few hints on settings then , but fool that i am can't remember them! Would be great if this was smoothed out by some DM wizard in the future.

[fllood]

It is a shame though that this factor seems to hold Dark Mod back on some missions where there are lots of open doors Would be great if this was smoothed out by some DM wizard in the future.

On performance demanding missions mappers can (and should) consider setting the doors so that they do auto-close after some time - specially with wide open spaces. (see Biker's Alberic's Curse). That may not realistic but helps reduce the slow downs if the doors have been portaled. If a mapper didn't do set doors to auto close, closing the doors as much as possible as a player.