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Yep, though I assumed he was the same height always: http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?s=&am...st&p=153690 Don't know when exactly this may have happened but it's been this way a while now.

are you MageofFolenn on Black Cat Forums? B/c if you aren't, you must be soul-mates, or long lost twins or something.

I am perma banned on Black Cat Games forums for raging and also I was framed by some ppl so better not to tell anyone anything. Lest ye wish to unleash Ragnarok once more.

Well, the strange thing is that the animations actually *work*, already. I was under the impression that you would not be able to export the animations if the number of joints don't match up. I think I recall Ascottk saying something about the Maya export culling out joints that aren't used, and that you have to use a -keep option when exporting? But again, I would have expected the animations to not work, and they clearly do, so I'm not sure whether there's actually a problem here or not. I'm pretty sure I can get the beggar working as is...I just have to find the verts that are weighted to joints that exist only on the citywatch and delete them from the beggar. But I don't want to do that if it's going to cause problems in the future (there aren't very many verts though, just 8-10). edit: Is this related to a recent change? http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=7856 I'll return the thief to it's current state so things work.

If you only knew. We're definitely making constant progress, the internal forums are quite busy at all times.

Jumping and mantling can be done reasonably "easily" - you just need to do enough precomputation of reachabilities. (I've put quotations marks around "easily" because it's a bit of a pain to implement, but the theory is straightforward enough.) From pathfinding's point of view it's not much different than being able to walk between two adjacent pathfinding nodes on a flat surface; the AI just does a few slightly more involved things with physics and animations to execute the movement. You do need quite a few more animations to get it looking good (if you can do it procedurally ala Euphoria, even better), but it's doable if you have the manpower. The Doom 3 AAS code actually has stubs for a whole bunch of movement types, like jumping and crouching and so forth, which is left over from Quake 3 (D3's AAS is basically ripped straight from Q3). It doesn't actually work, but the enumeration values are there, and it could in theory be made to work. It's a bit more of pain without the full engine source code than it would be otherwise, but we do have enough access even with the SDK to hack around AAS limitations. That's how AI handling of doors and elevators (as seen here) works, for example. I can unequivocally state, however, that The Dark Mod will not have jumping and crouching AI on release. Or ladder-climbing AI for that matter (ladder climbing is actually a fair bit more complicated, as there are some nasty exploitable edge cases; search the forums if you're interested, there were some previous discussions on this). Unlike Ubisoft, we don't have the manpower.

What I said earlier at http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showt...st&p=154037 about giving entities distinctive names before merging - you also need to change the model name on func static brushes else they don't appear, eg, search and replace "name" "func_static_ with "name" "func_static_IDX but also... search and replace "model" "func_static_ with "model" "func_static_IDX But this glitch also made it clear how much the sky reduces performance. Yikes - it's gotta go. Wonder if that is why I got good performance the other week in saintlucia?

BUMP I'm about to start making readable prefabs for use in the next release. We need to make a decision soon about where the body starts if there is no title. Just to sum up... Mappers will often struggle to squeeze all the text they want on to one page but often one page is better in-game, eg, a scroll or sheet of parchment. Posters and notices often need a title, eg WARNING! but most messages and letters do not. At present with the current guis, messages will waste the space reserved for the title; in RL probably a handwritten note will start near the top not 3/4ths of the way down and this will help the mapper get his text on one page. These are the four possibilities I know of: Remain as we are and waste the title space if not needed Duplicate every gui that is affected so some have no title space Move the body start point up to the top where the title starts. This will mean if there is no title then the message can use the whole page. If there IS a title then the mapper need only put a few \n\n\n\n at the start of his body message. This is easy to do for the mapper. It is fairly easy to change the guis - just alter a value. It will 'break' a few existing maps: A message with a title will have the body text overwritten on it and one without a title the body will start at the top whereas the mapper might have intended it to be centred vertically. Implement Gildoran's idea (above @ http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showt...t&p=147997) to have a conditional body position that will start higher automatically if there is no title. This will only 'break' existing maps insofar as body text without a title will start higher than the mapper expected. I could not get this idea to work as I recall but no doubt someone could figure out how to make it work? If this can be decided before the next release then there is no chance of readables in the release being 'broken' later.

As recently mentioned in the public forums, there is a small popup window appearing when loading a map: I need a design suggestion for this popup, maybe some small, centered parchment on the clock background or something. In principle, I can come up with something myself, but I better leave this to the artists for consistency reasons.

Btw, the progress is tracked here: http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showt...st&p=153102 Currently I am teaching the Games::D3::Parser to correctly parse material definition files. Once it can do this, it will be easy to extract the diffusemap/specular/bumpmap for each material and then figure out the DDS vs. TGA file from it. (That's the theory, anyway

Good question Ishtvan. That's certainly something we hadn't anticipated, and I think our coders should be reprimanded for not having their thinking caps on straight! We'll settle this issue in the private forums!!!!

I've mostly used Cubase earlier, but have switched to Reason for it's midi capacities. I was wondering if any others use Reason, and maybe if you have any general or specific advices concerning making ambient music in this program? Let this be a thread for us (I presume there are more than me) who use Reason and who want to share our thoughts, tips and tricks about it with the other contributors/team members. Since I believe most people that make ambient music use Reason, I thought this thread justified in the DarkMod forums. One thing in particular I would like to know is recommended patches for bass ambience, like the one in 'Outside the Mansion' and 'Defiled Church'? I've tried a lot of patches, but can't find any that really has the right Thief-sound, not necessarily like in the aforementioned tracks mind you. (I may just be picky, but that's better than sloppy methinks) /K

So....how many of the changes I just finished making to the mesh two weeks ago are now obselete? http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?s=&am...st&p=151102

I think there is some misunderstanding about my problem with the entity list size in my post @ http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showt...st&p=142541 It's not the panel size (though that needs saving as well) but the entity list itself (see the image of waste space in the picture in that post and the tiny entity list.) So this problem is still present in the latest snapshot. I only see 2 or 3 lines of entity properties with a very large empty panel. Does nobody else see that?

Fidcal also has been working in this, you can see his thread in the member forums below

Oh on the Doom3 forums they said that parallel lights should be at least twice the size of the map link Relevant part: This also tends to make parallel lights dimmer than their point light counterparts, so you often need to increase the physical size a parallel light's volume well outside the area of a map you want to influence in order to get an equivalent brightness to that of a point light. Keep this in mind when designing maps that have outdoor and indoor areas, you need to keep and eye on light volume overlaps.

Welp I was dead on about Deus Ex 3. Soon the prophecy shall be fulfilled and Deus Ex will return to it's glory. It shall fulfill it's destiny. However this post isn't about Deus Ex, it's about Thief, specifically Thief 4. There's a curious little tidbit located at this webpage. http://www.eidosmontreal.com/en/games.html AAA games, with high quality licenses that offer exciting challenges – e.g., the first two games we develop will revive successful franchises Games for next-generation consoles – Xbox 360, PS3, PC, and Wii What other franchise could they revive other than Thief? Man I would love to work on those games. Anyway Thief 4 perhaps in the year 2011. Just remember, Unstop told you first. He can see the future. By the way here's the new and improved Deus Ex 3 forum. You can use your regular Eidos forum name and password. http://forums.eidosgames.com/forumdisplay.php?f=252

Fidcal, have you read this thread? Was the crate you attached a moveable? http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=7637

@New Horizon: Can you set kshatriya up as Contributor and give him (am I right assuming you're male?) access to the sound forums?

Yes, there's definitely interaction. Contributors are allowed to air their opinion just like everybody else on the team, so Contributors are definitely not second-class team members or production slaves. It basically reflects how much you want/plan to be involved in the project. Team Members are the full-time employees, and Contributors are the freelancers, so to say. Team members are expected to show somewhat more dedication, time-wise. They are expected to stick around, and pull on the same string as the other team members to get the mod done. Sometimes this includes doing stuff which is not that much fun. Contributors can choose to work on whatever they wish. They may also take requests from Team Members to work on something specific. They are more loosely bound - as the name states, they contribute assets (textures, models, sounds) like freelancers and everything they share with the team is appreciated (this applies to Team Members too, of course). Everyone is happy when Contributors are sticking around nonetheless, that's for sure - but people are less surprised if Contributors are disappearing after a short amount of time. There are certain forums, which are only visible to team members, but these generally don't matter to Contributors. Valuable Contributors who stick around are eventually becoming Team Members anyway, the status is not set in stone at all. So it boils down how much motivation and dedication you're willing to offer - we surely need your help, but the decision is yours.

To Komaq Who are you talking to? If you want hard puzzles, there's always Riven. A great game, too. But I certainly don't like OoT for puzzles. "Don't be ridiculous, you can't learn a language by reading a foreign book, unless you have some pre-existing knowledge of the language, or some kind of rosetta stone for transcription purposes, such as a copy of the book in your own language as well." I had a Russian-English vocabulary. At first I was translating every word but then I just started ramming though it... "How could I learn Russian only by reading a Russian novel, I don't know a single Russian word, and never would no matter how long I stared at the pages" Russian is a bad example, it's a lot more complicated than English. English is a very intuitive language. You need to know a few words, but what is more important is the ability to recognize a noun from a verb. My vocabulary was pretty non-existant, it wasn't even the 300 ESL words. I understand that not everyone can drone onto a book like that. I can. "You obviously had many other resources available to you for learning English, and reading English novels did nothing but help straighten out your grammar a little." Complete rubbish. The vast majority of my vocabulary, and pretty much 90% of my grammar knowledge and feel (since learning English grammar through rules is pointless) came from Harry Potter. You obviously have no idea how the brain works when it reads books do you? Never tried it yourself, have you? I go as far as I want to go, and I find proper to go. And where did you draw that conclusion? What tells you that I am obsessed with Oblivion, for that matter? Last game I played was Lander for like an hour (that game won't let you play it too long). I haven't had Oblivion installed for like a year now. Well, that's your opinion on games. But not mine. I wouldn't know, didn't play BG much. I played NWN as NWN. Nope it doesn't. It just means you don't like certain games, that's all... And you hang around a forum. I don't see a difference. IRC is just another medium (which I only use for the Project Offset game at the moment because, you know, the forums are down). You should understand that the medium is not the message if you have brains. Oh, but, you know, while people join games on SC, they also sit in bnet, discussing the game, which is pretty normal for anyone who wants to be good in that game. Where the heck did that came from? lol I am probably less obsessed than most people on this forum. <quote>First of all, what matters or what doesn't each person decides for themselves. To some, music making matters, or drawing matters; to me, computers, and what they include, particulary programming and gaming matters, and also I watched movies who's names you probably never heard of. Gaming is a hobby just like anything else is. Even then, I don't spend that much time on them. I actually do my homework, and I have some sports to do, and I read (reading Dune at the moment), I exercise, I expore the robotics field on occassion, I program, and I play my games. Don't accuse me of the obsessed scheme, please. I simply don't agree with the label of "horrible" applied to a game that perhaps is not great, but is certainly not horrible. "Anyway, I can tell you're quite a young person, so I'll assume for your sake that you'll grow out of all this nonsense at some point in the future." I am only 17, and already a lot more mature than you are, and I suggest you are past 20. That's kinda sad.

Show me a game like OoT which is not kiddish and I will play it. But the only games designed like OoT that I know of are heXen and Turok 2, and very few others (that mostly suck). The genre of of hub-based fantasy fast-paced games is extinct, and OoT is one of the few ones that I found in addition. There is no game like heXen, Turok, or OoT, and until that genre becomes popular, I'd play anything from it as long as it's worthwhile. Graphics to me don't matter. Your statement that adults can't play games like OoT is similar to football athletes saying tennis is a girly sport. I read the books, that's where I learned my English from, and I'd like to see you read Harry Potter in a language you know 5 words in. Tell me how "childish" that is. No, it can't. TV is not interactive, and is limited in video image. OoT is a lot more than just that video image that annoys you so much. I understand that graphics ward you off, but please don't call a great game horrible just because it was intended for children, but it has such high gameplay quality that adults love it, too. No value for you doesn't mean no value for me. It's a battleground for me where I can forge my own history, especially with the editor. The thing about Oblivion is that it doesn't really matter what you do in it. You do not appreciate that, I understand. I do. I love Gothic 1 (Gothic 2 wasn't my cup of tea, or Gothic 3), and I like it better than Oblivion, but I also think it's pointless to compare it to Oblivion. Moreover, Oblivion is not what I call an RPG. It's more of a free ride action game with dialogs for me, but not really what I view as an RPG. You can accept Gothic with a low amount of detail, but not OoT with childish design? Inconsistency. If you actually believe advertisements, I wonder how you live. Advertisements are a bureaucracy curse, they are to be completely ignored, disbelieved, and despised. To consider what a game represents you look at what company made it, the name, the team, the design, and the gameplay. Not what someone said in the PR department to make the game sell a bit better. That has nothing to do with the programmers and designers of that game, they did not generate that advertisement. Speaking of advertisement, this may give someone a laugh, a guy criticizing Bethesda's Fallout 3 promotion tactic and Fallout 3 previews: http://www.diablo3.com/forums/showpost.php...amp;postcount=1 And you are...? What makes you better than people who like FF? You remind me of this guy from Twin Peaks, Albert. He was really good at something, too. But he was an ass. And that's what the sheriff told Albert: "I hear that you are real good at what you do. And, well, that's very good. 'Cause normally when a stranger walked into my station talking this kind of crap, he'd be looking for his teeth two blocks up on Queer Street." But I am used to such ignorance. I got kicked out of an IRC channel for liking LEXX and got accepted into another channel for the same reason. Members of the StarCraft Battle.net think I am some freak because they believe StarCraft and girls don't go together. Then again some guys don't want to talk to me because they are aware that I think bisexuals and homosexuals are people, too. All I can say that, unless you change your attitude, and stop being so shut down, you'll miss out on a lot of things in life, be it games, people, or anything else. Perhaps you like it that way, I don't know.

I made a new thread for this discussion, and uploaded videos of Oblivion AI sitting http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=7618

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=76471

Ok, I'll open a thread in the Level Editing forum then. http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=7623