Default load key also F5

datiswous · June 9, 2022

In default settings Quickload key is F9, but also F5, but F5 is not shown in keyboard settings menu. This is irritating the first time if you acidentilly press the F5 key for saving (instead of F4).

Here you see Quickload set to F9, but F5 is secretly also a Quickload key.

Edited June 9, 2022 by datiswous

AluminumHaste · June 10, 2022

How did you manage to do that?

I use F5 and F9 without issues.

Weird, shows multiple for me.

datiswous · June 10, 2022

This is the current default state after installing tdm. You can change them without issues. I'm just reporting what I think probably is a minor bug.

But maybe I should check the keybindings config file.

Strange that you have f9 and f5 for quicksave. Which is the oposite.

Edited June 10, 2022 by datiswous

AluminumHaste · June 10, 2022

I specifically bound 2 keys to quicksave, and they both show there.

Also, I deleted the keybinds.cfg file and when I loaded it back up, the defaults were F4 for quicksave and F9 for quickload.

I see it now, if I type bind F5 in the console it shows "loadgame". Interesting. Probably set that way in the code.

AluminumHaste · June 10, 2022

If you look in tdm_base01.pk4, the default.cfg contains:

bind "F4" "savegame quick"
bind "F5" "loadgame"
bind "F9" "loadgame quick"

Same as in SVN.

bind "F4" "savegame quick"
bind "F5" "loadgame"
bind "F9" "loadgame quick"

So that's where it's coming from, but it's not defined which slot to load, so I'm assuming it's just picking your quicksave if that's all you have? Which is why it's not showing up in games' menu.

geegee · June 11, 2022

F5 is default quicksave in a lot of games so it becomes an unthinking action.

So I've configured both F4 and F5 to quicksave, leaving F9 as quickload since that's also a common default and unthinking action. Hitting F5 to quicksave after completing a complicated gameplay and getting loaded back to the start of the qauntlet can be irritating.

AluminumHaste · June 11, 2022

Yeah, needs fixing.

Anderson · June 11, 2022

I often mistype and hit F5 by error when it's dark in the room.

stgatilov · June 12, 2022

I am also annoyed with F4+F5 combo every time I reset my config or take a fresh release installation.
I think F5+F9 combo is more standard today, and it would be great to change.

I see the following in default.cfg:

bind "F4" "savegame quick"
bind "F5" "loadgame"
bind "F6" "_impulse20"
bind "F7" "_impulse22"
bind "F9" "loadgame quick"

How "loadgame" is different from "loadgame quick"?

void LoadGame_f( const idCmdArgs &args ) {
	console->Close();
	if ( args.Argc() < 2 || idStr::Icmp(args.Argv(1), "quick" ) == 0 ) {
		idStr saveName = GetMostRecentQuicksaveFilename();
		sessLocal.LoadGame( saveName );
	} else {
		sessLocal.LoadGame( args.Argv(1) );
	}
}

There is no difference.
You pass filename as argument, or "quick" to load latest quicksave.
But if you don't pass an argument, it just default to "quick".

stgatilov · June 12, 2022

On 6/11/2022 at 12:55 AM, AluminumHaste said:

So that's where it's coming from, but it's not defined which slot to load, so I'm assuming it's just picking your quicksave if that's all you have? Which is why it's not showing up in games' menu.

It takes the latest quicksave.

Perhaps main menu does not display both keys because one is "loadgame" but another is "loadgame quick".
While they are functionally equivalent, the code which displays controls in the menu is not smart enough to understand that. Of course, it would be more appropriate to use the same command for both keys, which will probably fix the display error.

Or even better: change to F5/F9 scheme without alternatives

AluminumHaste · June 12, 2022

F5/F9 is industry standard, not sure where F4 came in. Will fix.

AluminumHaste · June 12, 2022

Ok default.cfg changes have been commited.

datiswous · June 13, 2022

So you changed it to:

bind "F4" "savegame quick"		<- changed to F5
bind "F5" "loadgame"			<- changed to F9
bind "F6" "_impulse20"
bind "F7" "_impulse22"
bind "F9" "loadgame quick"		<- removed

?

Edited June 13, 2022 by datiswous

AluminumHaste · June 13, 2022

No

F4 is now unbound

bind "F5" "savegame quick"
bind "F9" "loadgame quick"

datiswous · June 13, 2022

Ok thanks.

Btw. do you know a way to figure out what name TDM accepts for a key that is not listed in the DarkmodKeybinds.cfg file? I want to bind the End key to "exit" but typing in "End" doesn't work. Binding f10 to "End" works (the game exits), so it can be done that way, but I just need the name for that key in TDM.

datiswous · June 13, 2022

Something else;

Doom 3 used to have the command bindunbindtwo (I just read about this here: https://tweakguides.pcgamingwiki.com/Doom3_8.html). The command is still accepted in TDM's console, but it doesn't work propperly. The command should unbind and then bind a command to a key. This is useful for example if you've set 3 keys to one command and know want back to one. I would suggest to either fix the command or remove it as an allowed command.

AluminumHaste · June 13, 2022

Yeah I would like a way to delete key assignments in the game.

AluminumHaste · June 13, 2022

30 minutes ago, datiswous said:

Ok thanks.

Btw. do you know a way to figure out what name TDM accepts for a key that is not listed in the DarkmodKeybinds.cfg file? I want to bind the End key to "exit" but typing in "End" doesn't work. Binding f10 to "End" works (the game exits), so it can be done that way, but I just need the name for that key in TDM.

{"INS",            K_INS,                "#str_07048"},
   {"DEL",            K_DEL,                "#str_07049"},
   {"PGDN",            K_PGDN,            "#str_07050"},
   {"PGUP",            K_PGUP,            "#str_07051"},
   {"HOME",            K_HOME,            "#str_07052"},
   {"END",               K_END,               "#str_07053"},

Hmmm, END should work, it's defined.

AluminumHaste · June 13, 2022

These should all be available to use:

{
   {"TAB",               K_TAB,               "#str_07018"},
   {"ENTER",           K_ENTER,           "#str_07019"},
   {"ESCAPE",           K_ESCAPE,           "#str_07020"},
   {"SPACE",           K_SPACE,           "#str_07021"},
   {"BACKSPACE",       K_BACKSPACE,       "#str_07022"},
   {"UPARROW",           K_UPARROW,           "#str_07023"},
   {"DOWNARROW",       K_DOWNARROW,       "#str_07024"},
   {"LEFTARROW",       K_LEFTARROW,       "#str_07025"},
   {"RIGHTARROW",       K_RIGHTARROW,       "#str_07026"},

   {"ALT",               K_ALT,               "#str_07027"},
   {"RIGHTALT",       K_RIGHT_ALT,       "#str_07193"},
   {"CTRL",           K_CTRL,               "#str_07028"},
   {"SHIFT",           K_SHIFT,           "#str_07029"},

   {"LWIN",            K_LWIN,            "#str_07030"},
   {"RWIN",            K_RWIN,            "#str_07031"},
   {"MENU",            K_MENU,            "#str_07032"},

{"COMMAND", K_COMMAND, "#str_07033"},

   {"CAPSLOCK",       K_CAPSLOCK,           "#str_07034"},
   {"SCROLL",           K_SCROLL,           "#str_07035"},
   {"PRINTSCREEN",       K_PRINT_SCR,       "#str_07179"},

   {"F1",                K_F1,                "#str_07036"},
   {"F2",                K_F2,                "#str_07037"},
   {"F3",                K_F3,                "#str_07038"},
   {"F4",                K_F4,                "#str_07039"},
   {"F5",                K_F5,                "#str_07040"},
   {"F6",                K_F6,                "#str_07041"},
   {"F7",                K_F7,                "#str_07042"},
   {"F8",                K_F8,                "#str_07043"},
   {"F9",                K_F9,                "#str_07044"},
   {"F10",            K_F10,                "#str_07045"},
   {"F11",            K_F11,                "#str_07046"},
   {"F12",            K_F12,                "#str_07047"},

   {"INS",            K_INS,                "#str_07048"},
   {"DEL",            K_DEL,                "#str_07049"},
   {"PGDN",            K_PGDN,            "#str_07050"},
   {"PGUP",            K_PGUP,            "#str_07051"},
   {"HOME",            K_HOME,            "#str_07052"},
   {"END",               K_END,               "#str_07053"},

   {"MOUSE1",            K_MOUSE1,            "#str_07054"},
   {"MOUSE2",            K_MOUSE2,            "#str_07055"},
   {"MOUSE3",            K_MOUSE3,            "#str_07056"},
   {"MOUSE4",            K_MOUSE4,            "#str_07057"},
   {"MOUSE5",            K_MOUSE5,            "#str_07058"},
   {"MOUSE6",            K_MOUSE6,            "#str_07059"},
   {"MOUSE7",            K_MOUSE7,            "#str_07060"},
   {"MOUSE8",            K_MOUSE8,            "#str_07061"},

{"MWHEELUP", K_MWHEELUP, "#str_07131"},
{"MWHEELDOWN", K_MWHEELDOWN, "#str_07132"},

   {"JOY1",            K_JOY1,            "#str_07062"},
   {"JOY2",            K_JOY2,            "#str_07063"},
   {"JOY3",            K_JOY3,            "#str_07064"},
   {"JOY4",            K_JOY4,            "#str_07065"},
   {"JOY5",            K_JOY5,            "#str_07066"},
   {"JOY6",            K_JOY6,            "#str_07067"},
   {"JOY7",            K_JOY7,            "#str_07068"},
   {"JOY8",            K_JOY8,            "#str_07069"},
   {"JOY9",            K_JOY9,            "#str_07070"},
   {"JOY10",            K_JOY10,            "#str_07071"},
   {"JOY11",            K_JOY11,            "#str_07072"},
   {"JOY12",            K_JOY12,            "#str_07073"},
   {"JOY13",            K_JOY13,            "#str_07074"},
   {"JOY14",            K_JOY14,            "#str_07075"},
   {"JOY15",            K_JOY15,            "#str_07076"},
   {"JOY16",            K_JOY16,            "#str_07077"},
   {"JOY17",            K_JOY17,            "#str_07078"},
   {"JOY18",            K_JOY18,            "#str_07079"},
   {"JOY19",            K_JOY19,            "#str_07080"},
   {"JOY20",            K_JOY20,            "#str_07081"},
   {"JOY21",            K_JOY21,            "#str_07082"},
   {"JOY22",            K_JOY22,            "#str_07083"},
   {"JOY23",            K_JOY23,            "#str_07084"},
   {"JOY24",            K_JOY24,            "#str_07085"},
   {"JOY25",            K_JOY25,            "#str_07086"},
   {"JOY26",            K_JOY26,            "#str_07087"},
   {"JOY27",            K_JOY27,            "#str_07088"},
   {"JOY28",            K_JOY28,            "#str_07089"},
   {"JOY29",            K_JOY29,            "#str_07090"},
   {"JOY30",            K_JOY30,            "#str_07091"},
   {"JOY31",            K_JOY31,            "#str_07092"},
   {"JOY32",            K_JOY32,            "#str_07093"},

   {"AUX1",            K_AUX1,            "#str_07094"},
   {"AUX2",            K_AUX2,            "#str_07095"},
   {"AUX3",            K_AUX3,            "#str_07096"},
   {"AUX4",            K_AUX4,            "#str_07097"},
   {"AUX5",            K_AUX5,            "#str_07098"},
   {"AUX6",            K_AUX6,            "#str_07099"},
   {"AUX7",            K_AUX7,            "#str_07100"},
   {"AUX8",            K_AUX8,            "#str_07101"},
   {"AUX9",            K_AUX9,            "#str_07102"},
   {"AUX10",            K_AUX10,            "#str_07103"},
   {"AUX11",            K_AUX11,            "#str_07104"},
   {"AUX12",            K_AUX12,            "#str_07105"},
   {"AUX13",            K_AUX13,            "#str_07106"},
   {"AUX14",            K_AUX14,            "#str_07107"},
   {"AUX15",            K_AUX15,            "#str_07108"},
   {"AUX16",            K_AUX16,            "#str_07109"},

   {"KP_HOME",           K_KP_HOME,           "#str_07110"},
   {"KP_UPARROW",       K_KP_UPARROW,       "#str_07111"},
   {"KP_PGUP",           K_KP_PGUP,           "#str_07112"},
   {"KP_LEFTARROW",   K_KP_LEFTARROW,    "#str_07113"},
   {"KP_5",           K_KP_5,               "#str_07114"},
   {"KP_RIGHTARROW",   K_KP_RIGHTARROW,   "#str_07115"},
   {"KP_END",           K_KP_END,           "#str_07116"},
   {"KP_DOWNARROW",   K_KP_DOWNARROW,       "#str_07117"},
   {"KP_PGDN",           K_KP_PGDN,           "#str_07118"},
   {"KP_ENTER",       K_KP_ENTER,           "#str_07119"},
   {"KP_INS",           K_KP_INS,            "#str_07120"},
   {"KP_DEL",           K_KP_DEL,            "#str_07121"},
   {"KP_SLASH",       K_KP_SLASH,        "#str_07122"},
   {"KP_MINUS",       K_KP_MINUS,        "#str_07123"},
   {"KP_PLUS",           K_KP_PLUS,           "#str_07124"},
   {"KP_NUMLOCK",       K_KP_NUMLOCK,       "#str_07125"},
   {"KP_STAR",           K_KP_STAR,           "#str_07126"},
   {"KP_EQUALS",       K_KP_EQUALS,       "#str_07127"},

   {"PAUSE",           K_PAUSE,           "#str_07128"},

   {"SEMICOLON",       ';',               "#str_07129"},   // because a raw semicolon separates commands
   {"APOSTROPHE",       '\'',               "#str_07130"}

You would use the names in the first column.

However, upon further testing, the game isn't recognizing when I press the END button on my keyboard. So maybe there's something non-standard in the way those keys are implemented in the OS.

Binding say F10 to "exit" works.

datiswous · June 13, 2022

Weird enough If I'm in-game the exit command set to the End key works, but while in the main menu it does not. Setting exit to F10 works both in-game and the main menu.

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