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#51 AtariThief

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 02:12 PM

Order of the Hammer Bureaucrat: Life is an ddiction to some extent. We like to have fun, some of use like to sleep (programmers :laugh: ), and we definately love our women. So we usually toss up escapes from games to life very often. (Thats what I meant to say.)

#52 oDDity

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 03:23 PM

I see. Don't know where I could have gotten that idea....
You're right about the pointless bit though.


Sure, and by taking 4 selective, out of context sentences from several detailed posts, you could prove I had said that the Earth was flat and that triangles were round.
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#53 Nyarlathotep

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 06:12 PM

Sure, and by taking 4 selective, out of context sentences from several detailed posts, you could prove I had said that the Earth was flat and that triangles were round.

But isn't that exactly what you said? :P

#54 ZylonBane

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Posted 06 April 2007 - 09:14 AM

Triangles *are* round, given an appropriate non-Euclidean manifold.

Edited by ZylonBane, 06 April 2007 - 09:15 AM.


#55 oDDity

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Posted 06 April 2007 - 10:25 AM

I think one black hole around here is enough.
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#56 Domarius

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Posted 08 April 2007 - 08:56 PM

Ok, so you've just admitted that you're happy to spend the rest of your life making the same generic crap just so you get a wage packet at the end of every week.
Thanks for confirming it. That's exactly why I was insulting game developers.

It's a sliding scale. You can slowly push for unique stuff and we see changes in trends and the occasional risk a publisher takes, but at the end of the day, it's still a job and you have to eat. Of course I am working on my own projects in my own time, hopefully one day I'll be able to release my own games under my own conditions, that's the long term goal.

Maybe you should actually work in the game industry, and try your best to make a game unique and exiting in new ways, and have all your changes sent to the scrap heap in favour of generic crap.

Maybe you should just get a "job", so you can understand the difference between doing what you want to do, and doing what you have to do, so you can eat at the end of the week - a concept lost on you since you've never held a real job in your area of expertise, to this date.

Untill either of those things happen, your sweeping generalisations have no shred of credibilty, and you'll always be an armchair observationist.

#57 slavatrumpevitch

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Posted 08 April 2007 - 10:42 PM

what does oddity do anyway? I know he's a talented modeler, but I get the feeling that's not what he does for a living. And with his complete lack of people skills, I can't see him surviving in any typical line of work.
Which leads me to wonder, how does he pay the bills?
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Posted 08 April 2007 - 10:44 PM

And with his complete lack of people skills, I can't see him surviving in any typical line of work.
Which leads me to wonder, how does he pay the bills?


I think he said he works in his Uncle's restaurant.

#59 oDDity

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 03:31 AM

Maybe you should actually work in the game industry, and try your best to make a game unique and exiting in new ways, and have all your changes sent to the scrap heap in favour of generic crap.

I've already had that experience here Dom, and I wasn't even being paid for it.



what does oddity do anyway? I know he's a talented modeler, but I get the feeling that's not what he does for a living. And with his complete lack of people skills, I can't see him surviving in any typical line of work.
Which leads me to wonder, how does he pay the bills?

I'm currently modeling professionally, doing high res digital sculpts, so I can earn more for one model that you earn in a week.
What do you do?

You don't need people skills when you have talent, and in fact, if I could just quote the response from my employers about a recent horse sculpt I did -
'Overall, as before your work is stunning. I think it's safe to say that these are probably the best digital horses ever created'
So you see, I don't need to tell them jokes, or become friends with them.
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#60 bob_arctor

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 04:18 AM

"so I can earn more for one model that you earn in a week.
What do you do?"

Presumtive there!

slavatrumpevitch might be a top surgeon, or businessman!

#61 oDDity

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 04:34 AM

Yeah, but from his name, it sounds like his wages would be in Polish currency, so I'd probably need a million of them to buy a pint of milk in the UK.
That's why they're all over here looking for work, there's so many Polish people in my town now, that they've even opened up their own shop to sell whatever food it is that they prefer to eat.
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#62 Domarius

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 05:50 AM

I've already had that experience here Dom, and I wasn't even being paid for it.

Go have a cry. You only had the tiniest taste of what it's like here, and you couldn't even put up with that. Refer to this quote;

I just feel this mod is a waste of my time and talent. I'm stagnating here, almost knocking generic stuff out on a production line.

Well, welcome to the real world. Any project worth doing is going to involve a certain amount of repetition, and, shock horror - stuff you don't want to do. You'd better get used to it.

#63 slavatrumpevitch

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 08:32 AM

well, i certainly hope you make more than me! I'm 17! I'm lucky if I can make 4 grand a year playing gigs on the weekends! So here's your ego-trip for the day, oddity, you make more money than a senior in high school! congrats. If I had the money, I'd give you a free shopping spree!
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#64 slavatrumpevitch

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 08:42 AM

You don't need people skills when you have talent.



ummmm.... no. sorry. unless you're as brilliant as doctor house, people skills, (even if only very minimalistic ones) are required. Ever heard of Charles Schlueter? Probably not. Know why? b/c he was an asshole! He is probably one of the top 10 most talented trumpet players on the face of the earth, and he got fired from his position as principal trumpet player in the Boston Symphony orchestra, b/c of his lack of people skills. Now he's having a hard time finding work elsewhere because no one wants to work with him.

Now think about terrel owens. Many, including myself, would argue that he's the most talented Wide Receiver the NFL has ever had. He got fired for the Eagles, b/c he had no people skills.

My dad on the other hand, is not a genious, nor does he have any particularly outlandish talent. He's very smart, and hardworking, and is great at dealing with people. The obvious result of such qualities is that he's a business professor at Cornell University, and one of the top 5 leading researchers in his field. and I guarantee you, that you don't make more than him.

The moral is, talent is good, in fact, no amount of people skills can make up for a lack of talents. And oddity, beleive me, I do think you are talented, but people skills are also a necessity, no matter how talented you are.
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#65 SneaksieDave

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 09:07 AM

Hmm, horses... TDM... :wub:

#66 oDDity

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 10:19 AM

Don't worry then, I have got 'people skills', I just choose not to use them, especially on the internet, where I've never been convinced that it's either necessary or worthwhile.
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#67 oDDity

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 10:23 AM

Go have a cry. You only had the tiniest taste of what it's like here, and you couldn't even put up with that. Refer to this quote;

Well, welcome to the real world. Any project worth doing is going to involve a certain amount of repetition, and, shock horror - stuff you don't want to do. You'd better get used to it.


No, I won't get used to it, I'm freelance, so I pick and choose what I want to do. You choose to work in some generic factory which regurgitates trash titles for the plebes, so you have to accept part of the blame for the product.
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#68 Order of the Hammer Bureaucrat

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 12:08 PM

Hmm, that's kinda true. The whole fault lies with the Spinning Jenny and James Hargreaves. Because of that people lost their freedom and opportunity to work from home in the british textile cottage industry. This started the move of people to factories and made almost every person an employee.

#69 bob_arctor

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 12:42 PM

It's probably those bloody foreigners with their strange food eh Odd?

Ruining our country. Bring back the Empire!

#70 Order of the Hammer Bureaucrat

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 12:54 PM

The empire was good. I think that Justus Liebig is the key reason it collapsed.

#71 Nyarlathotep

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 01:17 PM

Don't worry then, I have got 'people skills', I just choose not to use them, especially on the internet, where I've never been convinced that it's either necessary or worthwhile.

Stop it! I'm laughing so hard I'm crying! :laugh:

#72 oDDity

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 01:40 PM

Not sure why, normal social etiquette between a bunch of avatars and nicknames has always seemed pointless to me since I first started using the internet.
You seem to agree, judging by the way you conduct yourself on these forums.
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#73 Nyarlathotep

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 01:46 PM

That *sniff* is so beautiful! *Crys into oDDity's shoulder* I LOVE YOU SO MUCH, MAN!!!






Edit: God damn, I can't even take oDDity seriously anymore! :laugh:

#74 oDDity

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 01:55 PM

As anyone round here could have told you, you're not meant to take me seriously....except when you are, but since I never use smilies to distinguish between the two, you have to work it out for yourself.
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#75 Subjective Effect

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 02:45 PM

Oh Jesus Christ Odd! I of all people agree with your ideas about this particular aspect of the mod, but do you HAVE to be such an ass about it? Yes, you can do fine working freelance even if you are the biggest ahole around, but you'd STILL be an ahole. Can't you just play nice? Internet or not we're all real people and for the most part you are treated civilly. Extending the same won't hurt.

As to Spring's quip about the damage model - I think those were only Odd's suggestions for those particular situations. I think it's far to black and white though. Let's go with my model - it's best :P
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