Search the Community

What extension does the pak file have? It needs to be PK4 for DarkRadiant to recognise the archive. If it's a PK4 already, check if it's really a ZIP file, and if it still doesn't work, I can look into that, but you'll need to send me that PK4.

Sorry, but the answer is no. That is not our focus. There are already Thief Styled Multiplayer Mods...Thievery and Nightblade. To my knowledge, we are the only mod recreating a Thief Styled single player experience. That makes our project somewhat unique, wouldn't you say? Aside from that, why compete with Thievery and Nightblade? They're already providing the same experience. In addition to that, check out the forums at ttlg.com/forums. There is a small group working on getting the multiplayer code working in Thief 2. One thing is inescapable, Multiplayer Thief is a very different beast than single player Thief. When we fully release our source code, other teams will be able to create a separate multiplayer codebase if they wish, but we won't integrate it into the core mod.

The actual map file is contained in the thiefs_den.pk4 file, which is just a ZIP archive with a different extension. You'll need to extract these files into thiefs_den/maps/.

So....how many of the changes I just finished making to the mesh two weeks ago are now obselete? http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?s=&am...st&p=151102

I think there is some misunderstanding about my problem with the entity list size in my post @ http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showt...st&p=142541 It's not the panel size (though that needs saving as well) but the entity list itself (see the image of waste space in the picture in that post and the tiny entity list.) So this problem is still present in the latest snapshot. I only see 2 or 3 lines of entity properties with a very large empty panel. Does nobody else see that?

Fidcal also has been working in this, you can see his thread in the member forums below

Oh on the Doom3 forums they said that parallel lights should be at least twice the size of the map link Relevant part: This also tends to make parallel lights dimmer than their point light counterparts, so you often need to increase the physical size a parallel light's volume well outside the area of a map you want to influence in order to get an equivalent brightness to that of a point light. Keep this in mind when designing maps that have outdoor and indoor areas, you need to keep and eye on light volume overlaps.

I've mostly used Cubase earlier, but have switched to Reason for it's midi capacities. I was wondering if any others use Reason, and maybe if you have any general or specific advices concerning making ambient music in this program? Let this be a thread for us (I presume there are more than me) who use Reason and who want to share our thoughts, tips and tricks about it with the other contributors/team members. Since I believe most people that make ambient music use Reason, I thought this thread justified in the DarkMod forums. One thing in particular I would like to know is recommended patches for bass ambience, like the one in 'Outside the Mansion' and 'Defiled Church'? I've tried a lot of patches, but can't find any that really has the right Thief-sound, not necessarily like in the aforementioned tracks mind you. (I may just be picky, but that's better than sloppy methinks) /K

Fidcal, have you read this thread? Was the crate you attached a moveable? http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=7637

Well, no, I did make some changes, as some things needed to be updated, and I integreted requests that had been made in other threads. And as greebo said, our AI have developed quite a bit since the document was originally written--there are some things that AI now do that weren't reflected (such as our additional alert state or AI_USE tags) and other things that were listed that we now know we're unlikely to support (like location based barks). Not only that, but the original example text referred to "Hammers" and other Thief names (and some TDS campiness), so I wanted to include examples that were more in keeping with the TDM tone and setting. I could go through and highlight all the changes, if it helps. There's not a huge amount.

@New Horizon: Can you set kshatriya up as Contributor and give him (am I right assuming you're male?) access to the sound forums?

Yes, there's definitely interaction. Contributors are allowed to air their opinion just like everybody else on the team, so Contributors are definitely not second-class team members or production slaves. It basically reflects how much you want/plan to be involved in the project. Team Members are the full-time employees, and Contributors are the freelancers, so to say. Team members are expected to show somewhat more dedication, time-wise. They are expected to stick around, and pull on the same string as the other team members to get the mod done. Sometimes this includes doing stuff which is not that much fun. Contributors can choose to work on whatever they wish. They may also take requests from Team Members to work on something specific. They are more loosely bound - as the name states, they contribute assets (textures, models, sounds) like freelancers and everything they share with the team is appreciated (this applies to Team Members too, of course). Everyone is happy when Contributors are sticking around nonetheless, that's for sure - but people are less surprised if Contributors are disappearing after a short amount of time. There are certain forums, which are only visible to team members, but these generally don't matter to Contributors. Valuable Contributors who stick around are eventually becoming Team Members anyway, the status is not set in stone at all. So it boils down how much motivation and dedication you're willing to offer - we surely need your help, but the decision is yours.

There are a lot warnings written to the console when loading the current church.map, which are caused by the files models/darkmod/nature/trees/gw_dm1_tree_02.ase and models/darkmod/nature/trees/gw_dm1_tree_03.ase. Doom 3 complains about the HELPEROBJECT tags: Unknown token '*HELPEROBJECT' Unknown token '{' Unknown token '*NODE_NAME' Unknown token '"Axis"' Unknown token '*HELPER_CLASS' Unknown token '"Dummy"' Unknown token '*NODE_TM' Unknown token '{' Unknown token '*NODE_NAME' Unknown token '"Axis"' Unknown token '*INHERIT_POS' Unknown token '0' Unknown token '0' Unknown token '0' Unknown token '*INHERIT_ROT' Unknown token '0' Unknown token '0' Unknown token '0' Unknown token '*INHERIT_SCL' Unknown token '0' Unknown token '0' Unknown token '0' Unknown token '*TM_ROW0' Unknown token '-0.3890' Unknown token '-0.1207' Unknown token '-0.3589' Unknown token '*TM_ROW1' Unknown token '-0.5049' Unknown token '0.3859' Unknown token '0.4176' Unknown token '*TM_ROW2' Unknown token '0.2467' Unknown token '0.9627' Unknown token '-0.5913' Unknown token '*TM_ROW3' Unknown token '0.0000' Unknown token '0.0000' Unknown token '0.0000' Unknown token '*TM_POS' Unknown token '0.0000' Unknown token '0.0000' Unknown token '0.0000' Unknown token '*TM_ROTAXIS' Unknown token '0.2779' Unknown token '-0.8574' Unknown token '-0.4331' Unknown token '*TM_ROTANGLE' Unknown token '2.6065' Unknown token '*TM_SCALE' Unknown token '0.5429' Unknown token '0.7604' Unknown token '1.1564' Unknown token '*TM_SCALEAXIS' Unknown token '0.0000' Unknown token '0.0000' Unknown token '0.0000' Unknown token '*TM_SCALEAXISANG' Unknown token '0.0000' Unknown token '}' Unknown token '*BOUNDINGBOX_MIN' Unknown token '-3.4220' Unknown token '-4.4079' Unknown token '-4.1032' Unknown token '*BOUNDINGBOX_MAX' Unknown token '3.4220' Unknown token '4.4079' Unknown token '4.1032' Unknown token '}' loaded collision model models/darkmod/nature/trees/gw_dm1_tree_03.ase I assume these are remnants from a 3DS export? Baddcog, can you try to open and re-export these two ASE files? Maybe the HELPEROBJECT stuff goes away then.

To Komaq Who are you talking to? If you want hard puzzles, there's always Riven. A great game, too. But I certainly don't like OoT for puzzles. "Don't be ridiculous, you can't learn a language by reading a foreign book, unless you have some pre-existing knowledge of the language, or some kind of rosetta stone for transcription purposes, such as a copy of the book in your own language as well." I had a Russian-English vocabulary. At first I was translating every word but then I just started ramming though it... "How could I learn Russian only by reading a Russian novel, I don't know a single Russian word, and never would no matter how long I stared at the pages" Russian is a bad example, it's a lot more complicated than English. English is a very intuitive language. You need to know a few words, but what is more important is the ability to recognize a noun from a verb. My vocabulary was pretty non-existant, it wasn't even the 300 ESL words. I understand that not everyone can drone onto a book like that. I can. "You obviously had many other resources available to you for learning English, and reading English novels did nothing but help straighten out your grammar a little." Complete rubbish. The vast majority of my vocabulary, and pretty much 90% of my grammar knowledge and feel (since learning English grammar through rules is pointless) came from Harry Potter. You obviously have no idea how the brain works when it reads books do you? Never tried it yourself, have you? I go as far as I want to go, and I find proper to go. And where did you draw that conclusion? What tells you that I am obsessed with Oblivion, for that matter? Last game I played was Lander for like an hour (that game won't let you play it too long). I haven't had Oblivion installed for like a year now. Well, that's your opinion on games. But not mine. I wouldn't know, didn't play BG much. I played NWN as NWN. Nope it doesn't. It just means you don't like certain games, that's all... And you hang around a forum. I don't see a difference. IRC is just another medium (which I only use for the Project Offset game at the moment because, you know, the forums are down). You should understand that the medium is not the message if you have brains. Oh, but, you know, while people join games on SC, they also sit in bnet, discussing the game, which is pretty normal for anyone who wants to be good in that game. Where the heck did that came from? lol I am probably less obsessed than most people on this forum. <quote>First of all, what matters or what doesn't each person decides for themselves. To some, music making matters, or drawing matters; to me, computers, and what they include, particulary programming and gaming matters, and also I watched movies who's names you probably never heard of. Gaming is a hobby just like anything else is. Even then, I don't spend that much time on them. I actually do my homework, and I have some sports to do, and I read (reading Dune at the moment), I exercise, I expore the robotics field on occassion, I program, and I play my games. Don't accuse me of the obsessed scheme, please. I simply don't agree with the label of "horrible" applied to a game that perhaps is not great, but is certainly not horrible. "Anyway, I can tell you're quite a young person, so I'll assume for your sake that you'll grow out of all this nonsense at some point in the future." I am only 17, and already a lot more mature than you are, and I suggest you are past 20. That's kinda sad.

Show me a game like OoT which is not kiddish and I will play it. But the only games designed like OoT that I know of are heXen and Turok 2, and very few others (that mostly suck). The genre of of hub-based fantasy fast-paced games is extinct, and OoT is one of the few ones that I found in addition. There is no game like heXen, Turok, or OoT, and until that genre becomes popular, I'd play anything from it as long as it's worthwhile. Graphics to me don't matter. Your statement that adults can't play games like OoT is similar to football athletes saying tennis is a girly sport. I read the books, that's where I learned my English from, and I'd like to see you read Harry Potter in a language you know 5 words in. Tell me how "childish" that is. No, it can't. TV is not interactive, and is limited in video image. OoT is a lot more than just that video image that annoys you so much. I understand that graphics ward you off, but please don't call a great game horrible just because it was intended for children, but it has such high gameplay quality that adults love it, too. No value for you doesn't mean no value for me. It's a battleground for me where I can forge my own history, especially with the editor. The thing about Oblivion is that it doesn't really matter what you do in it. You do not appreciate that, I understand. I do. I love Gothic 1 (Gothic 2 wasn't my cup of tea, or Gothic 3), and I like it better than Oblivion, but I also think it's pointless to compare it to Oblivion. Moreover, Oblivion is not what I call an RPG. It's more of a free ride action game with dialogs for me, but not really what I view as an RPG. You can accept Gothic with a low amount of detail, but not OoT with childish design? Inconsistency. If you actually believe advertisements, I wonder how you live. Advertisements are a bureaucracy curse, they are to be completely ignored, disbelieved, and despised. To consider what a game represents you look at what company made it, the name, the team, the design, and the gameplay. Not what someone said in the PR department to make the game sell a bit better. That has nothing to do with the programmers and designers of that game, they did not generate that advertisement. Speaking of advertisement, this may give someone a laugh, a guy criticizing Bethesda's Fallout 3 promotion tactic and Fallout 3 previews: http://www.diablo3.com/forums/showpost.php...amp;postcount=1 And you are...? What makes you better than people who like FF? You remind me of this guy from Twin Peaks, Albert. He was really good at something, too. But he was an ass. And that's what the sheriff told Albert: "I hear that you are real good at what you do. And, well, that's very good. 'Cause normally when a stranger walked into my station talking this kind of crap, he'd be looking for his teeth two blocks up on Queer Street." But I am used to such ignorance. I got kicked out of an IRC channel for liking LEXX and got accepted into another channel for the same reason. Members of the StarCraft Battle.net think I am some freak because they believe StarCraft and girls don't go together. Then again some guys don't want to talk to me because they are aware that I think bisexuals and homosexuals are people, too. All I can say that, unless you change your attitude, and stop being so shut down, you'll miss out on a lot of things in life, be it games, people, or anything else. Perhaps you like it that way, I don't know.

i don't know if there's already been a post about this, i did a brief search, and didn't find one, so i thought i might share this. Tos has been working on getting thief 2 to work with a LAN connection here's a link to the forum where i found out about it. http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118594 i don't know how i didn't find out about this earlier, it should be awesome!

Ah yes, I missed a few things. A new PK4 with better rat code is up and I added a few more rats to the test map.

I assume you didn't have the fully updated PK4 or DEF files, because in my version the rat can't open doors anymore. I'll double-check again today whether I uploaded everything, but the rat really should do more than just running around in circles.

Ok, I've got a rudimentary idle behaviour in the PK4 which got just uploaded (edit: def files are up to date now too). Check it out in test/rat.map, the rat should run around, pause, run, play its idle anim, go to the next path_corner, run around, wait, etc. etc. Everything is randomized a bit, i.e. it switches between running and walking, the goal position is varied while it walks, and so on. It's still far too slow, it should be twice as fast. Next step is to make it run away when it notices the player. edit2: Dammit, I used the wrong vcproj (the one from the server) to build the PK4, the AnimalTask objects were missing. The correct PK4 is up now.

I made a new thread for this discussion, and uploaded videos of Oblivion AI sitting http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=7618

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=76471

To download all the Warren Spector interviews head on over to Deus Ex 3 forums. forums.eidosgames.com

Ok, I'll open a thread in the Level Editing forum then. http://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?showtopic=7623

already done, but there's not alot I can do until I get home in 5 hours... I'd like to move this into a Holy Properties discussion thread elsewhere, if you can repost the outline of what needs to be done in the appropriate forum and close this one I would appreciate it, I'm spending time now getting caught up on 4 years of TDM development forums (at least the important stuff) also I posted in the thread about the new church map about how nice it would be to showcase holy water as well :-D.

Yes, we did, and I'm pretty sure the reasons have been posted in the public forums more than once if someone feels inclined to do a search for them.