Torches

[DeepOmega]

Bamf.

 

 

All normaled, naturally, and UV-mapped. There's a little seaming, but nothing that the final texture artist can't clean up. 228 polygons with a 1024 normal map.

[Fingernail]

that's too big a normal map, I would've thought, for a single torch.

[pakmannen]

Great! Good to see we finally got a torch.

[kfmccall]

awesome work!

 

Just one comment though, the handle looks a little thick, it kind of reminds me of a caveman bashing stick.

 

But nice work otherwise, the details are great.

[DeepOmega]

Yeah, now that you mention it, the handle's thick. I'll slim her down and and upload her to the FTP. (Don't use the current version till I post, as that's the older version right now).

 

Yes, 1024 is gigantic, but it's easier to shrink a texture than to make it bigger.

[DeepOmega]

torch.ase and torch_local.tga are on FTP. /TheDarkMod/models/props/torch/

 

Use them well. I eyeballed the scale, but really I was going on memory, so it'll probly need tweaking.

[Darkness_Falls]

Cool DeepOmega! Can't wait to see some torches in-game!!

[Renzatic]

Torch ingame, complete with some new particle effects I added to accompany it and the gaslight.

 

Pic

 

I'm having the regular issues with black models everyone else seems to be having, and I wrote the entry into the material file...I wonder what causes it.

[New Horizon]

Torch ingame, complete with some new particle effects I added to accompany it and the gaslight.

 

Pic

 

I'm having the regular issues with black models everyone else seems to be having, and I wrote the entry into the material file...I wonder what causes it.

Open up the ase file and you'll see the problem.

 

The texture paths are this.

 

"C:\3dsmax7\Images\LowTorch1NormalsMap.tga"

 

That will do it. Has it been converted to .lwo yet? You'll need to go into the .ase file and manually change the texture path.

 

I'm wondering if some of the models that were converted from ase to lwo were converted with the incorrect texture paths?

[New Horizon]

Torch ingame, complete with some new particle effects I added to accompany it and the gaslight.

 

Pic

 

I'm having the regular issues with black models everyone else seems to be having, and I wrote the entry into the material file...I wonder what causes it.

 

The path should look something

Open up the ase file and you'll see the problem.

 

The texture paths are this.

 

"C:\3dsmax7\Images\LowTorch1NormalsMap.tga"

 

That will do it. Has it been converted to .lwo yet? You'll need to go into the .ase file and manually change the texture path.

 

I'm wondering if some of the models that were converted from ase to lwo were converted with the incorrect texture paths?

 

The path should look something like this:

 

*BITMAP "//darkmod/models/props/furniture/shelfs/bookshelf1"

 

With the correct path of course.

[Renzatic]

No go...guess DeepO will have to reexport it. : \

[New Horizon]

Yeah. He just has to make sure that the file is setup with the correct darkmod folders before uploading.

 

We really need to post some kind of definitive tutorial on how to successfully save a model for use ingame.

[Renzatic]

Sounds like something that'll need to be stickied.

 

...hint hint.

[DeepOmega]

Er, correct me if I'm wrong, but you can just change that in the ASE file. It doesn't need re-exportation.

[BlackThief]

yeah, but it's better to use lwo anyway I'll download it and convert it to lwo ASAP.

[BlackThief]

btw what kind of "handle" do we want? a wooden one like this?

Edited February 28, 2005 by BlackThief

[sparhawk]

A torch usually has no "handle", or am I wron on this? The tourch burns down until it is finished. So it should be some tarred wood all the way through.

[BlackThief]

no, it depends on what kind of torch it is. this torch is definitely not a simple wooden torch, like the ones in T3. it looks more like the T2 torches or that:

http://www.gargoyles.org/images/Medieval%20Torch%202.jpg

[kfmccall]

I think this one has a metal basin on top though, so its able to be lit again and again.

[sparhawk]

no, it depends on what kind of torch it is. this torch is definitely not a simple wooden torch, like the ones in T3. it looks more like the T2 torches or that:

http://www.gargoyles.org/images/Medieval%20Torch%202.jpg

Buzt then it doesn't make sense for it to have a wooden handle. Either the torch is for a drab environments, then it would be just a wooden stick. Or it would be for mansion settings, which means that the handle would be metal or something and tha actual torch is only put in it. The upper part of this particular model arelad shows that it is not a simple torch, so it would have to be all the way through non-wood. Depending on where it should be used.

[DeepOmega]

The normal map was laid out with a wooden handle and a metal top. I kinda imagined this as being a pagan torch, so it doesn't burn wood (would be a waste!) but instead has a metal basin sorta thing, for endless relighting. It's not entirely metal, however, since that would be too expensive and heavy. So, wooden handle, metal everything else.

[sparhawk]

Whats the point of having a wooden handle and a metal top? If I stick a torch through a metal top what purpose does the metal have? To mount it on a wall. If it is to be carrying around then why would it need the metal top AND a wooden handle if the torch already can be held by itself?

[Springheel]

Torches rarely burn actual wood. The flame comes from wood-soaked pitch and fabric wrapped around the top in simple torches, or from a basin of oil or some other consumable in more expensive ones. But the handles of torches are never meant to burn down (ouch), and they wouldn't unless the entire thing was soaked in some kind of accelerant.

 

The handle's main job is to keep the flame away from your hand. Metal tops like the one in the model were common. Keeps the oil from spilling out and gives the flame some protection against wind. Oil torches were more likely to be mounted than carried, however.

[BlackThief]

the concept art of darkness falls also had a wooden handle:

[Ishtvan]

It's cheaper to use an existing stick of wood than having to cast a handle out of iron/steel, so it makes sense that a torch may have a wooden handle and a metal oil basin/hand protector.

 

Of course if the Builders want to mass produce some iron torches that's up to them.