Bikerdude 3740 Posted May 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 What am I looking at here.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lowenz 600 Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 (edited) What am I looking at here.. Maybe they tweaked the OpenGL rendering pipeline for new GCN GPUs (mine is an old GCN 1.0 one) Anyone other than me can test 15.4 vs 15.5? Edited May 29, 2015 by lowenz Quote Task is not so much to see what no one has yet seen but to think what nobody has yet thought about that which everybody see. - E.S. Link to post Share on other sites
motorsep 36 Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 So AMD getting consistently worse when it comes to not-so-old hardware support and OpenGL. I don't quite understand what Bikerdude is hoping for with AMD, but of course there is always a place for a miracle Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bikerdude 3740 Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Anyone other than me can test 15.4 vs 15.5?I have a HD4870 in the media pc, so got some links to the wolf exe's Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lowenz 600 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) Interesting report from my The Talos Principle installation ( http://store.steampowered.com/app/257510/ ) on the Radeon (7850) PC EDIT Without VSync D3D9 benchmark results -10:16:22 INF: 10:16:22 INF: Duration: 60.0 seconds (4362 frames)10:16:22 INF: Average: 72.7 FPS (75.6 w/o extremes)10:16:22 INF: Extremes: 116.5 max, 7.7 min10:16:22 INF: Sections: AI=10%, physics=2%, sound=2%, scene=54%, shadows=28%, misc=5%10:16:22 INF: Highs: 71 in 0.7 seconds (106.5 FPS)10:16:22 INF: Lows: 318 in 6.8 seconds (47.0 FPS)10:16:22 INF: 30-60 FPS: 13%10:16:22 INF: > 60 FPS: 87% D3D11 benchmark results -10:18:02 INF: 10:18:02 INF: Duration: 60.0 seconds (4306 frames)10:18:02 INF: Average: 71.8 FPS (74.1 w/o extremes)10:18:02 INF: Extremes: 126.0 max, 7.6 min10:18:02 INF: Sections: AI=10%, physics=2%, sound=2%, scene=56%, shadows=26%, misc=5%10:18:02 INF: Highs: 98 in 1.0 seconds (102.6 FPS)10:18:02 INF: Lows: 310 in 6.5 seconds (48.0 FPS)10:18:02 INF: 30-60 FPS: 14%10:18:02 INF: > 60 FPS: 86% OpenGL benchmark results -10:19:52 INF: 10:19:52 INF: Duration: 59.2 seconds (2545 frames)10:19:52 INF: Average: 43.0 FPS (46.0 w/o extremes)10:19:52 INF: Extremes: 86.9 max, 4.7 min10:19:52 INF: Sections: AI=6%, physics=1%, sound=2%, scene=63%, shadows=25%, misc=3%10:19:52 INF: Highs: 40 in 0.5 seconds (82.6 FPS)10:19:52 INF: Lows: 156 in 7.7 seconds (20.3 FPS)10:19:52 INF: < 20 FPS: 2%10:19:52 INF: 20-30 FPS: 5%10:19:52 INF: 30-60 FPS: 67%10:19:52 INF: > 60 FPS: 26% Edited June 22, 2015 by lowenz Quote Task is not so much to see what no one has yet seen but to think what nobody has yet thought about that which everybody see. - E.S. Link to post Share on other sites
lowenz 600 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 And same settings with a GeForce 750 Ti D3D9 benchmark results -12:22:28 INF: 12:22:28 INF: Duration: 60.0 seconds (3244 frames)12:22:28 INF: Average: 54.1 FPS (55.3 w/o extremes)12:22:28 INF: Extremes: 100.3 max, 9.7 min12:22:28 INF: Sections: AI=8%, physics=1%, sound=2%, scene=65%, shadows=21%, misc=4%12:22:28 INF: Highs: 265 in 3.7 seconds (71.5 FPS)12:22:28 INF: Lows: 420 in 10.0 seconds (42.0 FPS)12:22:28 INF: 30-60 FPS: 73%12:22:28 INF: > 60 FPS: 26% D3D11 benchmark results -12:24:53 INF: 12:24:53 INF: Duration: 60.0 seconds (3585 frames)12:24:53 INF: Average: 59.8 FPS (60.9 w/o extremes)12:24:53 INF: Extremes: 101.2 max, 27.1 min12:24:53 INF: Sections: AI=8%, physics=1%, sound=2%, scene=63%, shadows=21%, misc=4%12:24:53 INF: Highs: 580 in 7.7 seconds (75.3 FPS)12:24:53 INF: Lows: 665 in 13.9 seconds (48.0 FPS)12:24:53 INF: 30-60 FPS: 44%12:24:53 INF: > 60 FPS: 56% OpenGL benchmark results -12:27:04 INF: 12:27:04 INF: Duration: 57.4 seconds (2401 frames)12:27:04 INF: Average: 41.9 FPS (45.1 w/o extremes)12:27:04 INF: Extremes: 100.6 max, 2.9 min12:27:04 INF: Sections: AI=6%, physics=1%, sound=2%, scene=70%, shadows=19%, misc=3%12:27:04 INF: Highs: 1 in 0.0 seconds (100.6 FPS)12:27:04 INF: Lows: 109 in 6.5 seconds (16.7 FPS)12:27:04 INF: < 20 FPS: 1%12:27:04 INF: 20-30 FPS: 8%12:27:04 INF: 30-60 FPS: 76%12:27:04 INF: > 60 FPS: 15% Quote Task is not so much to see what no one has yet seen but to think what nobody has yet thought about that which everybody see. - E.S. Link to post Share on other sites
lowenz 600 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) So here's the performance hit on OpenGL! AMD *D3D9->OpenGL - (72.7-43)/72.7=40%*D3D11->OpenGL - (71.8-43)/71.8=40% NVidia *D3D9->OpenGL - (54.1-41.9)/54.1=22%*D3D11->OpenGL - (59.8-41.9)/59.8=29% AMD must really work hard on the OpenGL side And the Radeon 7850 has the same absolute OpenGL performance of the GeForce 750 Ti (40 FPS) Edited June 22, 2015 by lowenz Quote Task is not so much to see what no one has yet seen but to think what nobody has yet thought about that which everybody see. - E.S. Link to post Share on other sites
motorsep 36 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Does it mean that AMD 7850 just a crappy GPU and R9 line is better ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
7upMan 63 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Does it mean that AMD 7850 just a crappy GPU and R9 line is better ? It depends: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Radeon_Rx_200_series Quote My Eigenvalue is bigger than your Eigenvalue. Link to post Share on other sites
lowenz 600 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) Does it mean that AMD 7850 just a crappy GPU and R9 line is better ?No! The GPU is good (see the brilliant D3D absolute performance) but OpenGL support is crappy compared to NV Edited June 22, 2015 by lowenz Quote Task is not so much to see what no one has yet seen but to think what nobody has yet thought about that which everybody see. - E.S. Link to post Share on other sites
HMart 317 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 So here's the performance hit on OpenGL! AMD *D3D9->OpenGL - (72.7-43)/72.7=40%*D3D11->OpenGL - (71.8-43)/71.8=40% NVidia *D3D9->OpenGL - (54.1-41.9)/54.1=22%*D3D11->OpenGL - (59.8-41.9)/59.8=29% AMD must really work hard on the OpenGL side And the Radeon 7850 has the same absolute OpenGL performance of the GeForce 750 Ti (40 FPS) This will not affect TDM but i bet that on Vulkan (the new OpenGL) AMD will be as good as Nvidia (or better), why, because Vulkan was made from Mantle the AMD API. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
7upMan 63 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 This will not affect TDM but i bet that on Vulkan (the new OpenGL) AMD will be as good as Nvidia (or better), why, because Vulkan was made from Mantle the AMD API. Or rather with the Mantle API in mind. After all, DirectX 12 follows the direction of Mantle as well, which means less overhead and more fps. Quote My Eigenvalue is bigger than your Eigenvalue. Link to post Share on other sites
lowenz 600 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) Yeah but this is OpenGL 2.1 (!!!! -> http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_Talos_Principle ) and the the performance is terrible (40% is the degradation percentage , NVidia is only at 25-30% ) P.S.: Yes, it's really OpenGL 2.1, it can look majestic (take a look to Talos screenshots). Edited June 24, 2015 by lowenz Quote Task is not so much to see what no one has yet seen but to think what nobody has yet thought about that which everybody see. - E.S. Link to post Share on other sites
HMart 317 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) Or rather with the Mantle API in mind. After all, DirectX 12 follows the direction of Mantle as well, which means less overhead and more fps. No AMD gave mantle to the OpenGL guys so they didn't add to start from scratch, in a sense Vulkan IS Mantle or at least Mantle+. http://www.pcworld.com/article/2894036/mantle-is-a-vulkan-amds-dead-graphics-api-rises-from-the-ashes-as-opengls-successor.html Yeah but this is OpenGL 2.1 (!!!! -> http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_Talos_Principle) and the the performance is terrible (40% is the degradation percentage , NVidia is only at 25-30% ) P.S.: Yes, it's really OpenGL 2.1, it can look majestic (take a look to Talos screenshots). I don't think The Talos principle runs on OGL 2.1 on windows, i'm sure it is D3D 11. Edited June 24, 2015 by HMart Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lowenz 600 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) I don't think The Talos principle runs on OGL 2.1 on windows, i'm sure it is D3D 11. You can select the OGL rendering path on Windows too (see my tests) and the devs say it's OGL 2.1 Astonishing yield! Edited June 24, 2015 by lowenz Quote Task is not so much to see what no one has yet seen but to think what nobody has yet thought about that which everybody see. - E.S. Link to post Share on other sites
HMart 317 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 You can select the OGL rendering path on Windows too (see my tests) and the devs say it's OGL 2.1 Astonishing yield!ah ok didn't knew that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
7upMan 63 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 No AMD gave mantle to the OpenGL guys so they didn't add to start from scratch, in a sense Vulkan IS Mantle or at least Mantle+. http://www.pcworld.com/article/2894036/mantle-is-a-vulkan-amds-dead-graphics-api-rises-from-the-ashes-as-opengls-successor.html Well, I think this is actually good news. My dear hope is that no-one will be using DX12 for the simple fact that most gamers still use Windows 7 (which will not get an update), and also because of the interoperability of OGL/Vulcan. After all, why go to the trouble of developing two rendering paths of one is not only sufficient but also has no performance penalties? Quote My Eigenvalue is bigger than your Eigenvalue. Link to post Share on other sites
HMart 317 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Well, I think this is actually good news. My dear hope is that no-one will be using DX12 for the simple fact that most gamers still use Windows 7 (which will not get an update), and also because of the interoperability of OGL/Vulcan. After all, why go to the trouble of developing two rendering paths of one is not only sufficient but also has no performance penalties?Yes i concur but we all know how microsoft has deep pockets, they can just pay some developers to use Dx12, they also have Xbox one so developers wanting to support it don't have other option but use dx12, so for windows and Xbox exclusives you will see many dx12 games, and because not all GPU's support dx12 and Vulkan, we will see many games still supporting dx11 and OpenGL. In reality this will be a nightmare for many game engine and GPU's drivers developers, in the old days they only add to support dx10/11 or OpenGL, now they will have to support dx11, dx12, OpenGL, Vulkan and the Apple graphics API Metal, i really pity them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lowenz 600 Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Tested now (yes, 3:00 AM in Italy ) dhewm 1.4.0 ( https://github.com/dhewm/dhewm3/releases), uncapped framerate. Radeon HD 7850 (GPU @1050 MHz ) -> 103/104 FPSGeForce GTX 750 Ti (GPU @1300 MHz ) -> 202 FPS Quote Task is not so much to see what no one has yet seen but to think what nobody has yet thought about that which everybody see. - E.S. Link to post Share on other sites
Xarg 173 Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Yes i concur but we all know how microsoft has deep pockets, they can just pay some developers to use Dx12, they also have Xbox one so developers wanting to support it don't have other option but use dx12, so for windows and Xbox exclusives you will see many dx12 games, and because not all GPU's support dx12 and Vulkan, we will see many games still supporting dx11 and OpenGL. From memory, the xbox and ps4 are both using HD7xxx series gpu's, so neither of the next gen consoles will have dx12 either, unless they release a refresh of the consoles with the newer AMD hardware. The AMD page for the 7800 series says direct x 11.2 Quote Intel Sandy Bridge i7 2600K @ 3.4ghz stock clocks 8gb Kingston 1600mhz CL8 XMP RAM stock frequency Sapphire Radeon HD7870 2GB FLeX GHz Edition @ stock @ 1920x1080 Link to post Share on other sites
nbohr1more 2089 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 I haven't seen much improvement with executable renames on Nvidia but Amnesia.exe seems to give a nice boost.AMD users wanna try? Quote Please visit TDM's IndieDB site and help promote the mod: http://www.indiedb.com/mods/the-dark-mod (Yeah, shameless promotion... but traffic is traffic folks...) Link to post Share on other sites
motorsep 36 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Hah, I totally forgot about this thread So good news for us is that newest drivers from AMD fixed performance issues we observed with BFG-based engine. Performance now on par with Nvidia. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lowenz 600 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Will test your new RC.....NOW Edited January 7, 2016 by lowenz Quote Task is not so much to see what no one has yet seen but to think what nobody has yet thought about that which everybody see. - E.S. Link to post Share on other sites
lowenz 600 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Dhewm 3 1.4.1 Radeon HD 7850 (GPU @1050 MHz ) - Win 7 64 GeForce GTX 750 Ti (GPU @1300 MHz ) - Win 10 64 See the different GPU utilisation. Edited January 7, 2016 by lowenz Quote Task is not so much to see what no one has yet seen but to think what nobody has yet thought about that which everybody see. - E.S. Link to post Share on other sites
lowenz 600 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 It's really interesting, it seems that the OGL driver of AMD can't process (won't process?) the scene using all the GPU resources: GeForce Radeon Quote Task is not so much to see what no one has yet seen but to think what nobody has yet thought about that which everybody see. - E.S. Link to post Share on other sites
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