2015 Audio & Music Enhancements [suggestions list]

[Paralytik 73]

Helloes.

 

My plan is to, with the help of you guys, compile a list over what needs doing on the audio side and then try to get these things done.
I've been working with audio as a hobbyist for many years, I play a few instruments sufficiently well to be able to compose things and I have some in-depth knowledge in production techniques, audio synthesis, live recording, music theory and acoustics. With that said, I'm far from a master; I learn and read up on new things all the time to broaden my knowledge even further. I primarily work in Propellerheads Reason for music production and audio creation.

So far I've seen a few topics here being discussed.

• Ice footstep sounds.
  (Might be possible to modify the stone sounds to achieve this, otherwise I'll have to get out with one of my harddisc recorders and figure something out).
  
• City ambient sounds. Carts rolling, animals howling, muffled talk, distant oneshots; anything to try to make the cityscapes come alive.
  
• Strained metal sounds. (Should be quite easy with a ring modulator and some basic waveforms in pretty much any synth where you can sculpt sound from scratch).
  
• + Chest opening/closing sounds are inconsistent.
• + New dropped candlestick holder sound, old one sounds tinny.
• + Lockpicking sounds.
• + Inconsistent jumping/landing sounds.

 

Also being mentioned in another thread is the lack of ambient music, and general indoors ambient. What I'm thinking here is basically composing and production work, possibly based on what is already in the mod (the indoor piano loops, etc) to fit well together with what is already available. Focus will be spent on adequate lengths and bearable repetitiveness, along with different levels of tension for the pieces.

Areas that I have thought of so far, including things being mentioned in other threads, are the following:

• Manor/general indoors non-creepy environments.
• Harbor.
• Warehouse.
• Factory.
• Wilderness.
• Mountains.
  
  Suggestions by Obsttorte in http://forums.thedarkmod.com/topic/16931-composer-for-the-dark-mod/ .
• + More themes for the builders.
• + Themes for the pagans.
• + As we have Moors now, it would be nice to have ambient music for them, although Springheel or so would have to point out their background so you get an idea what they are about (didn't follow the related discussions too closely).
• + Something for our inventors. Steampunk like, but not too futuristic.
• + Anything else we come up with.
  

I've also been thinking of creating a sample pack of sort, with a variety of "building blocks" for people to create their own ambient tracks for maps. Others in this subforum have already showed very promising results using freeware and basic editing techniques (Paulstretch, Audacity, etc), but it might be tricky to track down CC-licensed source material to use.

In combination with being a collected thread where you can follow the progress on these things, I will also act as a mentor and self-proclaimed guru, trying to answer questions others might have regarding audio work. If someone needs help with editing/mixing of any sort, feel free to ask and I'll do my best to contribute.

In case there are more people interested in helping out with specific tasks, or have knowledge in areas where I myself might lack, join in and help out!

General suggestions on things that might need updating can be discussed here and we'll see what we can do.

Edited February 16, 2015 by Paralytik

[Paralytik 73]

Here's a photo of my current little studio set up.

I share a space a bit outside of town with a friend where we try to make nice music.

 

[Springheel 4571]

Another thing I've thought of recently is new impact sound for dropped candlestick holders. The current ones sound way to small and tinny.

[Goldwell 2402]

I've been playing a lot of Thief 2 FM's recently and one thing I really wish the dark mod had was better lock picking sounds. If there is a way for you to create some better lock picking sounds (if possible) I would be eternally grateful!

[Paralytik 73]

Springheel: Yes, that one might definitely be improved.

 

Goldwell: This is also something I've been thinking of myself! How does the current system work? Are there just 2-3 loops being played, and finished off with the unlocked-click? I think that click sound in the end is a bit inconsistent with the rest of the loop.

[Springheel 4571]

The clicks are about a dozen individual sounds randomly strung together to create the unique sequence for each lock.

 

I've never had any problems with them.

[Bikerdude 3738]

I've never had any problems with them.

+1

[161803398874989 81]

+1

There's a button for expressing precisely this sentiment to be found in the bottom right hand corner of Spring's post.

 

I wish to echo the sentiment, so I've clicked it.

[Paralytik 73]

The clicks are about a dozen individual sounds randomly strung together to create the unique sequence for each lock.

 

I've never had any problems with them.

Nice! I'm glad to hear it's a bit more complex. I was guessing on a collection of shorter loops being combined in different ways.

 

 

Also I want to clarify that I'm not aiming at a complete overhaul of everything people might find annoying. Some might like things others don't like, and most of the sound effects in DM are already of very high quality, so it wouldn't be needed anyways.

[Arcturus 663]

Thief sounds are unbeatable. They sound heavier.

 

http://youtu.be/yKO4NMzZhaI?t=4m21s

 

http://youtu.be/yKO4NMzZhaI?t=9m46s

[Springheel 4571]

The reverb is nice, but I think ours actually sound more like what a metal pick inside a lock would actually sound like. Lockpicks aren't exactly heavy.

 

http://youtu.be/4GQbCjo0Zdg?t=1m33s

[Arcturus 663]

This is a modern lock and I think ours sound just like that - modern. Thief's locks have a lot of bass, the last sound when the lock is open is very satisfying.

[Paralytik 73]

Does DM have a unique sound for when doors/chests are unlocked, or is that same sound used anywhere else?
I would check myself, but this laptop sucks too hard, can't enjoy many missions because of it.

 

If we don't, then we totally should create one. I agree with Arcturus, the sound used in Thief is incredibly satisfying, design-wise.

Edited January 13, 2015 by Paralytik

[Paralytik 73]

Was planning on moving forward with some of these things this week, but this cold I have still haven't passed.

Really annoying.

[Petike the Taffer 488]

Thinking about non-Thief ambient music that could serve as a bit of inspiration, I suppose you could use some of Robert Rich's stuff as a general template for ideas on wilderness settings or Pagan-related scenarios: Some examples:

 

 

 

Mycelia (with Alio Die)

 

I think I've heard a sample from that last track (from around 2:15 and slightly onwards) used in an older Thief II FM. It was Off the Record, made by Yandros. The FM is set inside a public institution at night time, and the particular sample from that track was selected nicely, so I didn't find it annoying or repetitive while I was playing. I suppose a similarly sounding bit of ambient could work well for interiors of public buildings at night.

 

(EDIT: Ha, found a video playthrough of Off the Record ! (Link now included above.) You can clearly hear the sample from "Mycelia" playing in the background throughout the mission.)

 

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Looking at the ambient music tutorial and having not worked much on sound effects in the last few months, I might try my hand at putting together some simple ambient theme for the inventors. Maybe I'll come up with something. Oh and there are also those ice sounds I've promised. I should get to work on those. And I'm very eager to try making some ambient soundscapes for the city, though I'd have to have a good idea for what the basic scenario should be like.

 

Also: Do inns, taverns, etc. need any sort of ambient backgrounds, or should their soundscape be left to whatever sound effects (chatter, musical instruments) the mission author populates them with ? I could try making several ambients for variously crowded inns.

Edited September 10, 2015 by Petike the Taffer