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On 9/19/2020 at 10:54 PM, Kurshok said:

It gets worse. A man was arrested at. the historical Speaker's Corner in London for "speaking against Sharia" or something along the lines of criticizing Muhammad and the Quran. Speaker's Corner is a historical place of Freedom of Speech in the world, with many famous people having had speeches there.

Source, please. I regularly hear these stories circulated about some arrest in some western country for speaking against Islam, and so far not a single one has turned out to be true...

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Any group willing to use violence and terror to promote their beliefs should be called out by all reasonable people.    

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3 hours ago, cabalistic said:

Source, please. I regularly hear these stories circulated about some arrest in some western country for speaking against Islam, and so far not a single one has turned out to be 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/KLnBh7e2YEo/ Okay, it's actually a woman. I'm not fully acquainted with the full list of Middle Eastern names, so Hatun Tash sounded male to me. And it may not be so much an arrest as the police escorting her out whilst allowing an angry mob of non-moderate muslims to harass her whilst she leaves without any fallout. But still, allowing a mob of religious fanatics to censor a critic of their religion for tellingthe very real, very indefensible actions Muhammad took in his years starting Islam up, including sex with his dead aunt and molesting a minor?

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I'll also admit, there is hope that Islamic nations can become secular with freedom of speech and expression. Sudan just a few weeks ago declared itself no longer having Islam as "State Religion". Moderates DO exist, and the March of Progress and Time goes ever onwards, and with Israel and the UAE now having a formal peace treaty of a sorts, and with rebellious feelings of leaving Islam growing in UAE's rival of Iran, maybe when I'm an old man I'll see a world where Theocracies with the right to murder you for disbelief are a thing of the past.

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Once again, things got worse. A teacher showed the Charlie Hebdo cartoons of Muhammad in class. One of his muslim students tweeted them to a jihadist gang operating in the area and they stabbed him multiple times in the head and sliced his head off whilst screaming "Allah Ackbar". French President Emmanuel Macron grew a pair of fucking balls and called out the Islamic community being in crisis with extremism, and instead of looking inwards at their own community's problems, the followers of the pedophile warlord who raped a child and owned 17 sex slaves and once slaughtered between 500-800 Jews in a day decided the problem must be France and Macron for refusing to give up their freedom of criticism of religion, and this resulted in multiple calls for a French boycott in the shitpile known as the Islamic umma, along with a terrorist attack at a church a week later. Then, the pussywhipped Islamic apologists in the western media who claim to be liberal yet are willing to sell out our founding ideals of democracy and freedom (I myself still lean left and voted Biden, despite him idiotically defending Momo the Pedo, as Trump somehow managed to be worse), are attempting character assassination on Macron, which Macron called out as attempting to legitimize the violent riots the idiot abduls threw in the streets. Again, I don't support the killing of Muslim babies or sterilizing people, but seeing as to how brutal China already is to its enemies, I'm understanding how the Uyghurs got themselves into this predicament, by jabbing a sleeping, wrathful titan. And soon enough, the Islamic community in Europe might end up causing their own deportation if they don't smarten up.

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So far, I stayed out of this discussion, as I simply don't like discussing and especially critisizing other peoples beliefs. But now, I am starting to think that our TDM-forums are not the place to discuss such matters, as the discussion has become quite extreme.

So, I would like to personally make clear that all muslims (and also all people of all other beliefs) are welcome here! Do not let yourselves be fooled into thinking that you are not wanted here, just based on the posts of one or two persons in these forums!

The only exception to my statement are obviously extremists, who do not accept the beliefs of others.

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I don't really think it needed to be called out because just like we have to see that islam extremists don't represent the islam, they have to see that the opinions of a few don't represent the whole community.

I personally think religions in general are one of the biggest problems in the world. I remember this one time when a christian lady next to me on the bus got very angry when I said other religions, for her there was just the one religion. There are so many pointers that religions are man-made, such as the if you don't do this list this awful thing will happen to you. Doesn't mean I don't believe in some sort of higher power (even the big bang had to start from something), just not like in the religions. I respect though that some people need religions and believe in them.

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9 minutes ago, Springheel said:

Any group willing to use violence and terror to promote their beliefs should be called out by all reasonable people.

Obviously, I agree, but I feel this thread (at least in parts) goes beyond that.

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Two wrongs don't make a right. Everyone involved in the terror attacks in France or elsewhere can go straight to hell. And all the people who were and are cheering them on, fuck them. If any Uighurs were cheering them on, fuck them, too.

That does not justify in any way what China is doing to the Uighurs. China isn't doing this because they fear terror attacks by the Uighurs, and even if they were, putting an entire collective of people under a general suspicion and punishing them is not acceptable and a gross violation of due process and the human rights we should hold high. @KurshokI don't know why you found it important to inform us of your political affiliations, as if that should excuse or justify your stance? But it really doesn't cast a great light on you when you are condemning the barbaric acts of Islamic terrorism and in the same post sympathize with barbaric acts of a different kind. If you want to maintain a moral high ground, you need to do better.

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3 hours ago, STiFU said:

Obviously, I agree, but I feel this thread (at least in parts) goes beyond that.

The comment wasn't directed at you, and it certainly shouldn't be seen as endorsing the general tone of Kurshok's posts.  I don't personally support either childish name-calling or overly emotional rants, even if the target deserves valid criticism.

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I don't condone what China is doing to the Uighurs. But I am saying, that the uighurs should have known better than to continually harass China and not expect some sort of retaliation, for China, which has shown itself to be an authoritarian dystopia, to behave like the West and try to be merciful towards those trying to pick a fight. It's evil vs evil when Islam goes up against a Communist Dictatorship, although I wish the children of the Uighurs were not killed or sterilized, just like I wish victims of Islamic extremism among critics of Muhammad and apostates from Islam weren't targeted and murdered by Islamic groups.

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And I agree that muslims should be welcome here... if they are moderate, and that includes having to live by the rules of freedom of speech and religion, which includes the right to not believe the same things they believe, to leave Islam without fear of death, and the right to criticize Muhammad and Islam for very real faults they both have.

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Furthermore, one doesn't have to look far to find faux-moderates. Check the comments sections of news videos on YouTube and you will find endless comments by english-writing pro-Sharia individuals who defend the murder of the English teacher, who claim that they know more about freedom of speech and licente than France, its founder, who laugh at the mourning and who call for more violence against those who "dare" to mock or show caricature of that fucking pedophiliac warlord cunt Muhammad. Well, I refuse to be cowed, victimized, or mistreated by a backwards, kidfucking cult whose founder made out with his aunt's corpse, who diddled a child, who owned 17 sex slaves and called women idiots who deserved to be treated like cattle and forced to wear idiotic burqas! I refuse to respect some long-dead asshole who claimed the world was flat, who slaughtered and mistreated Jews and Christian's, polytheists and atheists alike! Respect is a 2 way street, and Islam has no respect for anyone else, so fuck Islam. Individual muslims can be good individuals, but on the whole Islam is a fucking cancer that needs to be combated against via application of separation of religion and state, the boycotting of their theocracies, and the finding of alternative fuel sources to destroy their energy market cornerstone. And if you don't like the fact I call out Muhammad as such a piece of shit, or call out Islamic culture as a whole as mostly a bunch of pieces of shit and brainwashed or cowed into silence individuals? Too bad!

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I will admit to being emotional about it, and being vulgar. But I'm emotional because I care about the well being of people who are victimized by Islam, along with caring about protecting the rights and freedoms that Islam despises. And I'm vulgar because nothing else seems to get through people's numbers psyches, numbed by the nonstop news of terrorist attacks and whining by Islamic apologists who make the same broken argument based on lies each time that Islam isn't at fault for Islamic terrorism that directly is inspired by Quran verses instructed by Muhammad himself. It's like slamming your head against a brick wall with how people are willing to let Islam rape the world without a moderate pushback. And by "moderate pushback", I mean stricter immigration on Islamic countries based on whether they view sharia as overruling democracy or if they are apostates seeking to escape the death sentence for leaving islam, on setting up laws that further protect the freedoms we have as a democracy from the threat of violent theocracy and tackle domestic abuse in the homes of Islamic families that can result in honor killings and selling off underaged american muslim children to be married to old men overseas. Something needs to be done to tell Islam, "enough is enough", WITHOUT resorting to the horrors that China is doing, without murdering babies and shooting those who try to flee slave labor camps, without sterilizing people and torturing them physically and mentally! If they really wanted to reeducate them, they should have told them the truth that Muhammad was a pervert, a murderer, a warlord, a liar who didn't know the Earth wasn't flat. But instead, these Chinese Communist scumbags raped their women, murdered their children, tortured them! They're only going to sink deeper into extremism now!

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And as much as I hate Muhammad as one of the worlds most evil men, it is unfortunate that Xi Jinping is still alive right now, with North korea as his little lapdog! Not to mention how China has basically bribed most other Islamic countries into silencing outcry against the Uyghur genocide, showing that the supposed divine Islamic "ummah" that all Islamic nations should unite is bullshit. I may just be ranting and getting my negative feelings towards both idiots in this posting contest off my chest, but dammit, I hate Xi Jinping for making me have to come to the verbal aid of a group who praise one of the few people on history who I honestly believe was worse than Hitler.

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Jesus Christ Kurshok, this isn't your personal therapy page.  Six posts in a row is getting ridiculous.

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