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  1. I've been optimizing my map to boost fps from in a lot of cases 25-30 to 45-65, doing this systematically. I have a newbie perspective, this being my first FM - so .... be kind. First off, when building the .map I began by dropping in shadow/no_shadow lights with zero care - just looking to light the areas being worked on. Same for entities, dropping them in with little care except for aesthetics and creating shadows for the player to hide in. That procedure made for a very unoptimized map. So, what's been the optimizing plan? First, clean up the geometry. Second, go thru' the map section by section, setting shadow/no_shadow on entities. There's a tradeoff: complexity of geometry multiplied by shadows gets out of hand, so a lot of care needed here. With a first pass on that done, redo the lighting. I eliminated all the small ambients I'd put in, whether shadowcasting or not, leaving just those lights attached to fixtures of some kind, which I wanted to be in general shadowcasting. I reset these shadowcasters to not overlap so far as viable. I was amazed to find that this made for a much much better looking map coupled with much more acceptable frame rates. I use hide_distance on entities sparingly as I don't like the pop-outs. Not at all! My map has a lot of transparent windows/doors. I use func_portals with hide_distance set on every one of these. Controlling pop-outs caused by func_portals is fairly simple. The func_portal pop-outs tend to be marked by abrupt lighting changes. These are very ugly and getting rid of them or making them unobtrusive is a priority. I cant see using any kind of light pop-out/pop-in spawnarg. Rather, I could see using a shadow/no_shadow hide_distance setting, which could be used more universally and quite unobtrusively. If that's possible now, please tell me how! Also, I could see using a fade-to-black hide_distance on lights, so there'd be no lights a popping.
  2. Using the latest dev build, I'm noticing some of the default assets have issues with missing shaders or skins even certain meshes. Some entities appear as black boxes in-game whereas certain skins for good models come out as transparent white surfaces instead of a proper texture. I figured I should make a thread for reporting these seeing the issue is rather widespread to quite a few of the default models and entities. Here's one to start off with: Create an atdm:ai_mage01 then give it the skin plain_robes. The outer coat looks fine but the inner clothing causes ghosting.
  3. Decided to start dedicated thread about this problem. Right now at least @Jedi_Wannabe and @id3839315 have it. Let's continue the discussion here.
  4. This seems to happen while leaning forward and frobbing, possibly in noclip? Will edit if I can replicate/get it to occur. Solved by restarting the game. Happened on Requiem and Perilous Refuge. Update: I have recorded the bug in action. My settings. My specs. Processor Information: CPU Vendor: AuthenticAMD CPU Brand: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor CPU Family: 0x17 CPU Model: 0x71 CPU Stepping: 0x0 CPU Type: 0x0 Speed: 3593 Mhz 16 logical processors 8 physical processors HyperThreading: Supported FCMOV: Supported SSE2: Supported SSE3: Supported SSSE3: Supported SSE4a: Supported SSE41: Supported SSE42: Supported AES: Supported AVX: Supported AVX2: Supported AVX512F: Unsupported AVX512PF: Unsupported AVX512ER: Unsupported AVX512CD: Unsupported AVX512VNNI: Unsupported SHA: Supported CMPXCHG16B: Supported LAHF/SAHF: Supported PrefetchW: Unsupported Operating System Version: Windows 10 (64 bit) NTFS: Supported Crypto Provider Codes: Supported 311 0x0 0x0 0x0 Video Card: Driver: AMD Radeon RX 5600 XT DirectX Driver Name: aticfx32.dll Driver Version: 27.20.14501.18003 DirectX Driver Version: 27.20.14501.18003 Driver Date: 11 13 2020 OpenGL Version: 4.6 Desktop Color Depth: 32 bits per pixel Monitor Refresh Rate: 59 Hz DirectX Card: AMD Radeon RX 5600 XT VendorID: 0x1002 DeviceID: 0x731f Revision: 0xca Number of Monitors: 2 Number of Logical Video Cards: 2 No SLI or Crossfire Detected Primary Display Resolution: 1920 x 1080 Desktop Resolution: 3840 x 1080 Primary Display Size: 23.54" x 13.23" (26.97" diag) 59.8cm x 33.6cm (68.5cm diag) Primary Bus Type Not Detected Primary VRAM Not Detected Supported MSAA Modes: 2x 4x 8x Memory: RAM: 16292 Mb
  5. Also we should probably discuss light clipping and lighting techniques in a different thread as that's own can of worms. @duzenkoSo for the hide_distance stuff it looks like these things would be helpful to add to the list: Func_rotating and other movers? SEED (more so investigate why they aren't working properly) Lights, specifically entities that spawn lights and FX. If we can get a gentle fade out / in on all those things that would be incredible. Basically we'd have an industry standard system. I can see lots of cases where gradually dropping out lights and objects at distance will significantly help performance on larger maps or outdoor areas. Also being able to fade out FX when you get close to them is valuable for stuff like fog. This helps prevent "washing out" the screen when you get close to an emitter.
  6. Hello, I remember i tried playing latest but was not running open gl 3.3. So i installed 2.07. which was working okay and i did some tweaks because of lighting being like in minecraft (just lamps and torches), and snow on screen when moving. That was fixed i heard 2.05 could be more forgiving so i tried that and get blocky texture on welcome screen, i dont see anything, and can only use cfg not console, since oddly console is affected as well. I have intel gma 4500, so i have to use modded drivers to get open gl support, but it worked before. After trying and deleting 2.05 i installed 2.00, 2.05 and 2.07 several times with identical screen. I tried image downscaling, and everything recommended before it was fixed in 2.05, and it is not working. Can you advise me what to paste in config cli, because i can't see what im typing? Thank you.
  7. Hi guys, First of all (it's my 1st message), I would say thank you so much for TDM (all your work is amazing)! I love you (big fan of Thief series from first one, just discovered & playing now TDM since weeks). I want to help. I'm Arch Linux user & IT cybersecurity engineer. I would like to submit something I did try to troubleshoot. As said I use multi screens (3 screens). When running TDM (<=2.09), only main monitor display run TDM, others turns black I did try several things, using CLI, windows manager, TDM CVARS, etc... nothing worked. Then I did use nvidia-settings GUI and when running TDM i did see that X config is rewritten. 2 screens got resolution turned off (that's why they turns black). Maybe it should be a great thing to improve that behavior? improving screen parsing & using? Set an option to select a screen? I don't know what is the best solution. May I help? And how? Trying to create a new build on my own? Thanks again. S3ph
  8. Alright: When I load my FM in DarkRadiant I see just a handful of relevant messages highlighted in orange or red in its console. Stage keyword not recognised: portalrendermap Stage keyword not recognised: screen ShaderLibrary: definition not found: black ShaderLibrary: definition not found: Default ShaderLibrary: definition not found: textures/darkmod/wood/floor/boa Error parsing mirrorRenderMap. Expected two integers: stoi Stage keyword not recognised: _scratch2 [shaders] Unable to load texture: textures/decals/stain01bwet.tga ShaderLibrary: definition not found: tudor01_doorwin_mix ShaderLibrary: definition not found: models/md5/chars/nobles/noblewoman/noblelegs The last two lines seem to address exactly what I'm seeing: Missing leg texture for the female mage, plus a missing window texture for one of the Tudor buildings.
  9. Asus i5 zenbook with MX150. Opened my WIP in the laptop to check and compare framerates against my i5 desktop with geforce 1060. Since I'm using the dev build 16269-9407 on the desktop, used the same build on the laptop and got "Unable to initialize OpenGL" screen. Backtracked thru' the dev builds and found the last working version was dev16225-9284, which loads the game fine. Problem starts with dev16238-9330 and the two newer versions. No similar problem on the desktop. (and.... WIP framerates on the laptop will give some people heart attacks. Tho' I find it still playable - TDM isn't deathmatch - and it looks very good on that little machine.)
  10. @geegee The first thing to check is which GPU the last 'good' build is using (e.g. via the Task Manager) What are the screen resolutions on teh desktop and the laptop?
  11. Hi Thanks for the Dark Mod. Like other user i get a black screen with audio after executing "TheDarkModx64.exe" Version TDM 2.09. System Windows 7-64, latest updates. Custom install TDM Version "test15973-8778" works fine, so far Custom install TDM Version "test15973-8787" works fine, so far Custom install TDM Version "test15973-8793" --> black screen with audio Custom install TDM Version "test15973-8795" --> black screen with audio Custom install TDM Version "test15973-8797" --> black screen with audio Custom install TDM Version "test16019-8980" --> black screen with audio Custom install TDM Version "test16019-8981" --> black screen with audio Custom install TDM Version "test_release209_5542" --> black screen with audio ******************************************************************************* Setting r_glCoreProfile "0" in the file Darkmod.cfg is the solution that works for me! ******************************************************************************* Report with system images and log files: Thief - The Dark Mod BlackScreenSolution Regards elC Thief_-_The_Dark_Mod_BlackScreenSolution.zip
  12. Wow, this is impressive I think crash on shader compilation is like getting internal compiler error from ordinary C++ compiler. Except that GLSL compiler is embedded, so consequences for crashing are much worse. Luckily, the problem can be worked around by simply removing the manylight shader. I think the black screen issue will return back to you after that By the way, do you want to go into the quest of reporting the issue to AMD? I recall I did it with the bug that texture fetches in global variable initializers didn't work, and got response like "upgrade GLSL version". At least that was response from someone from AMD, as far as I understood. Maybe a crash will get more attention. Also, it is very easy to debug if you attach a full crash dump...
  13. Last issue I'm personally aware of, please report any others here if you've seen them. In the bushes category there's one entity called atdm:nature_bush_large_3 which has an invalid model and appears as a black box. All other bushes are fine on my end and it's just this one that has a problem.
  14. With a currently .tga background and default darkmod.cfg cvars from updating to the main menu beta: Can't see an image_compression cvar in my darkmod.cfg, and the console doesn't seem to know it. My other seemingly compression-related cvars are: seta s_decompressionLimit "6" > seems to be something for audio files (max uncompressed sample length), so I didn't experiment with it seta image_usePrecompressedTextures "1" > setting this to 0 has no effect on the background and turns pretty much everything else into black rectangles/screens seta image_useNormalCompression "1" > setting this to 0 has no effect seta image_useAllFormats "1" > setting this to 0 has no effect seta image_useCompression "1" > setting this to 0 cures the problem. As sharp as ingame. Yes, I tried it in .tga, .dds and .jpg and made sure I didn't have both a .tga and a .dds in valid locations simultaneously.
  15. I don't think there's any bug here. DXT is a cheap and cheerful texture compression algorithm that works OK for most images if you don't look too closely, but it doesn't handle smooth gradients very well. If you want a large and smooth background image filling the whole screen, you need to disable DXT compression. Setting image_useCompression to 0 will work for you (although it will disable compression for all images, so might increase GPU memory usage), but it won't help other users if you are using this image as part of a released mission. If you are planning to release this image and you want it to look good for everybody, you probably need the forceHighQuality material keyword.
  16. So I tried the newest beta driver for 6850 (I only tested with the WHQL the first time) Honestly I expected the same black GUI but AMD managed to get over their assheads with that one It just... crashes on qglGetProgramiv(... GL_LINK_STATUS ...) with the manylight shader Thank you, AMD, for setting the eternal gold standard in shit baths driver quality reputation
  17. Hi everyone! Ok, I'm a great fan of Thief series that has been apart for years from the fans community... until now. Days ago I found the DDFix mod, then the HD Mod, and now this! Such a GORGEOUS mod guys, I have seen the demos! I can't wait to play it! Ok, but not that fast. After a hard time with the downloading (I live in the mountains and I connect to internet with a modem service in which I pay for every Mb downloaded), the game won't start. I get first a white screen when loading, and then a big black screen with beautiful and mysterious music (just to grow up my pain ). If I move the mouse cursor, I hear the sounds of the cursor being over the menu elements and I see some grey empty squares, without text. My computer equipement: - Toshiba Satellite (notebook), Intel DualCore T6500 2.10 Ghz processor, 3 Gb RAM - Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bits (Spanish). - External monitor Sony Bravia Smart TV (1920 x 1080 maximum). - Mobile Intel 4 Series Express Graphics GMA 4500MHD (128 Mb dedicated memory video). I have already search for this problem, and the only references to it which I have found involve Linux OS. The description of the bug is exactly the same, but the solutions are not applied to me. The only coincidence that I have noticed is that also involve an Intel Graphic card. I have tried also some editions of the file Darkmod.cfg and to replace the file tdm_base01.pk4 with another one patched for some Intel problem, but withou success. I needyour help guys, I'm about to break in tears. I feel I have all to play this game, but I don't have the knowledge to fix it by myself. Thanks forehand... Elojah.
  18. Hi everyone! Ok, I'm a great fan of Thief series that has been apart for years from the fans community... until now. Days ago I found the DDFix mod, then the HD Mod, and now this! Such a GORGEOUS mod guys, I have seen the demos! I can't wait to play it! Ok, but not that fast. After a hard time with the downloading (I live in the mountains and I connect to internet with a modem service in which I pay for every Mb downloaded), the game won't start. I get first a white screen when loading, and then a big black screen with beautiful and mysterious music (just to grow up my pain :'( ). If I move the mouse cursor, I hear the sounds of the cursor being over the menu elements and I see some grey empty squares, without text. My computer equipement: - Toshiba Satellite (notebook), Intel DualCore T6500 2.10 Ghz processor, 3 Gb RAM - Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bits (Spanish). - External monitor Sony Bravia Smart TV (1920 x 1080 maximum). - Mobile Intel 4 Series Express Graphics GMA 4500MHD (128 Mb dedicated memory video). I have already search for this problem, and the only references to it which I have found involve Linux OS. The description of the bug is exactly the same, but the solutions are not applied to me. The only coincidence that I have noticed is that also involve an Intel Graphic card. I have tried also some editions of the file Darkmod.cfg and to replace the file tdm_base01.pk4 with another one patched for some Intel problem, but withou success. I needyour help guys, I'm about to break in tears. I feel I have all to play this game, but I don't have the knowledge to fix it by myself. Thanks forehand... Elojah.
  19. Update, I have no idea what I did, but I restarted my machine (again) and it seems to be working... @MODS - Lock and/or Delete thread Hello Everyone, Was really enjoying this game yesterday when I downloaded it, ran into no problems at all and was quite happy playing though the training mission and getting used it, however gone to load it up today and I'm getting an immediate grey screen which just stays there until I click a few times to which a windows error message saying TheDarkMod is not responding is shown. I'm running 64bit windows 10 and both TheDarkMod and TheDarkModx64 produce the same issues. Whats got me puzzled is it was working fine yet today I've got the grey screen. What I've done so far: Deleted the darkmod.ini config file and run. Renamed the tdm_gui01.pk4 and tried to launch, also ran the tdm_update exe to get the original pk4 file back, still grey screen Uninstalled and reinstalled from thedarkmod.com My Nvidia Drivers had an update, but given it was working and now not should'nt be an issue, however even now up-to-date still shows the same thing. Changed the debug settings in darkmod.ini to equal 1. Same thing, and further more I don't get a Darkmod.log generated. I tried using Freyk's installer but it halted asking for Visual C++ Redistributables - I have 2010, 2012 and 2015-19 already, is there a confirmed needed one ? Many thanks darkmod.ini
  20. @Jedi_Wannabe, could you please check something about this issue? As written above, the problem depends on r_glCoreProfile cvar, which must be set in darkmod.cfg before starting TDM. We know that "r_glCoreProfile 2" does not work for you, but "r_glCoreProfile 0" does work. Does "r_glCoreProfile 1" work for you? Or you get black screen?
  21. I don't know if it's the same issue or an unrelated one, but I just got this weird artifact after entering the basement sewer area of Blackgrove Manor. It's red rather than black, but does appear a similar shape. It started on the left and sort of spread across the screen towards the right. UPDATE: Further experimentation revealed that Bloom is the cause of this particular artifact. If I disable bloom, the red boxes disappear. I then noticed some much smaller patches of the same red colour which were not affected by the bloom settings; these disappeared when I switched color depth to 16 bits rather than 64 bits.
  22. @id3839315 says the fourth script shows black screen, just like the first two. So the final decision is that "r_glCoreProfile 0" works fine, but "r_glCoreProfile 2" gives black screen. This may be some driver problem, e.g. some of the GL features previously hidden behind extension is not enabled by the problematic AMD driver under GL 3.3, while it should according to the specs. It is not just some function, because calling missing function would give immediate crash. Most likely some constant of mode. I think I have already ruled out: ARB_fence_sync ARB_buffer_storage (persistent mapping) ARB_bindless_texture (not used in menu anyway) ARB_draw_indirect (multi draw indirect --- not used in menu too) ARB_vertex_attrib_binding What else it can be? Maybe glDrawElementsBaseVertex (it was previously behind extension), maybe UBOs --- who knows. What can help here: Use deprecated profile --- I think this will serve as workaround. Request greater OpenGL version (e.g. 4.1 instead of 3.3) --- maybe it would help Hope that driver update would fix it.
  23. Hello! I can compile and run 2.07hotfix from SVN. I tried compiling the SVN trunk, using exactly the same method. It doesn't work, though - I get a blank screen and nothing else, not even audio. Here's the output. Note there's some binary junk in it. DarkMod.cfg: The suggestions at http://forums.thedarkmod.com/topic/19919-problem-with-207-some-level-unplayable/?p=435907 didn't help.
  24. I want to cover my whole mission in a light fog but as the topic states, I've got problems with particles, especially flames from torches and chimney smoke when these appear in front of skyportals (caulked face with a portal_sky texture in the same leaf). The particle doesn't render in these places. (Left picture below) I'm using a foglight that covers the whole mission and it have the following properties/spawnargs _color 0.06 0.06 0.06 shaderParm3 2000 textures fogs/delta1_fog Everything is nice and it has got the effect that I'm after, but I cannot see the flames/other particles as I want. It's like the fog gets so thick outside the map that it nulls out the skyportal and messes up the particles in front of it... I have tried to start the shaderParm3 on extremely high numbers and then slowly lowered it, but as I go so far that the fog is visible in the mission, the sky parts are greyed out and the flames disappear when the torch moves in front of the sky...The skybox is outside the fog light btw. As a sidenote, if I use the spawnarg "start_off 1" on the light, the skyportal doesn't work (the sky parts are just plain black). I have to remove the light entity altogether to be able to see the skybox, and a clear sky...but I want fog, dammit!
  25. When loading any mission, when the loading bar reaches approximately 50%, the screen blacks out for a few frames, then comes back and finishes normally. While this doesn't affect gameplay, it's something that didn't happen in 2.07, and it doesn't look very professional. I assume others are seeing this? Thanks.
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