broken wrist

[Springheel]

well, being 'american' is much like being 'christian' these days. Capitalism IS the religion of the USA and if you don't like being a slave you are 'un-AMERICAN'

 

Among the many things about the US that have me shaking my head, the one I find most perplexing is that the "religious right" is one of the biggest supporters of capitalism. I can't think of an economic system that is more directly opposed to Christian doctrine than unbridled capitalism.

[nbohr1more]

The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianty's illegitimate child.

 

Adolph Hitler 1941

 

Hitler hated Christianity because it was anti-capitalist... So Glen Beck is really smoking something when he equates the left with Hitler...

[Springheel]

Hitler hated Christianity

 

Uh, Hitler was a Christian.

 

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."

[nbohr1more]

Perhaps I've been watching too much history channel but I thought that it was something like:

 

Public Hitler: "Uber Christian"

 

Private Hitler: "Pragmatic Occultist who only accepts doctrines that he likes and finds the teachings of Jesus too much like Bolshevism..."

 

Edited October 5, 2010 by nbohr1more

[Tels]

Only o the internets can a thread go from "I broke my wrist" to "Was Hitler a Christian"

[Springheel]

Public Hitler: "Uber Christian"

 

Yes, I'm sure he exaggerated it in public speeches, but even his writings refer to Christianity and the value of faith.

 

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

 

The Pope's recent statement that atheists should "apologize" for Hitler is laughable, as Hitler was decidedly anti-atheist: "We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out." -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

 

only accepts doctrines that he likes

 

Like every other Christian I know. How else could capitalism flourish in Christian countries?

[nbohr1more]

 

I just think that the idea that Glen Beck is triple-wrong about calling Obama "Socialist Hitler" is amusing, I guess I will have to settle for him being double-wrong.

[SiyahParsomen]

Only o the internets can a thread go from "I broke my wrist" to "Was Hitler a Christian"

 

[stumpy]

atheists went into the camps along with jews, gypsys, blacks, disabled, as part of hitler's final solution.

[BrokenArts]

So getting back to some wrist action, hows it hanging? How's it healing?

[Baddcog]

still one-handin everything

 

Doc says it looks goodm\, doesn't even hurt all that much. After a slipped disc, not being able to roll over in bed, get out of bed, stand, sit or walk or 6 months. this is cake.Slipped disc is about the most painful thing I've ever experienced, I'd have to say it probably is worse than childbirth (guess i'll never know though).

[LEGION]

Slipped disc for 6 months? That hurts much upon only reading it. Though I never had that it still hurts, this thing has a bad reputation. (even more than Aidas... )

[BrokenArts]

haha, don't compare that to child birth, its just as bad. The only real difference is, child birth doesn't last for 6 months!

[Baddcog]

Got the bill today.

 

$27,000 and they want it by tommorrow. LOL. I'd be lucky to make that much in a year, not that I can save even a $1,000 a year.

 

Funny how the medical proffession is worried about getting paid, but by supporting the corrupt F'd up system for so long they have basically cut their own throats. If I could afford the $200 + a month for insurance (for a completely healthy individual) I would've had it. But they jack up the system so bad nobody can even afford the basic insurance. So that drives up prices more due to trying to recover lost costs, which makes it harder to afford,... the downward spiral of the greed based western civilization.

 

So I'll probably have to declare bankruptcy, which kills my credit but actually could make my financial situation better, while making the system worse.

The lack of any kind of logic in this whole process kills me.

[LEGION]

Oh hell, I guess an appeal for money here wouldn´t help much if any of us spend sth? Yes, depends on how much, but I guess the rich spend their time on other places like this...

 

Isn´t there since Obama´s doing a better affordable health insurance already?

[nbohr1more]

Rant:

 

That shit sounds like the HMO's trying to make things look as bad as possible because they figure people are too dumb to realize that it takes awhile for Obama's changes to take effect.

 

So the HMO's make everyone angry as possible then the voters dummies vote the party that is trying to "regulate" them right out of office. It'll probably work too, we'll probably be up to our necks in Republicans this term. Once the HMO's kill any hope of a public option (and all the smoke clears) they'll keep charging more and more and offering less and less. All the dummies will still keep blaming "the government" for this even though it'll be all private companies at that point.

 

(Not that I hold out much hope for either party really fixing things. The tug-o-war for "the hearts of the idiots voters" is just frustrating...)

 

End Rant

 

Sorry to hear about your financial issues Baddcog.

[SneaksieDave]

It's a system that needs to completely fall down (if it hasn't already?) before it's going to change enough to make any difference. Such a nasty situation. Pharmies are corps wanting to make billions. They have to pay a lot to do research ($300 for a box of pipettes comes to mind from my years in analyt chem), so they must charge a lot for their products. They send men in suits to doc offices to deliver "samples" of their crap, along with the obligatory unethical kickback paperwork. Meanwhile lobbyists control who gets elected, which keeps things nice and cozy for the powers that be. Insurance has to pay for pharmies' products of course, so they have to charge the client a lot (those who don't need covering those who do). Docs are self-important, so they need to make a lot of money and drive a selection of mercedes. So they charge a lot. But also, theirs is an inexact (read: sloppy) science, so they get sued when patients don't get better (which they too rarely do). So they buy malpractice insurance, which costs a lot. So you pay for it. Hospitals need the docs and the equipment and the medicine (from the aforementioned crooks) and therefore a hospital stay can be $10k or more per day for serious illness. Even a discharge fee (your consulting doc looks your case over and writes up the final paperwork) can be $2500. How on earth did we get into this situation? Yet at least half the country continues to fight against regulation or socializing, fearing we might all turn red.

 

Can't pay? You better hope you don't own anything.

 

As icing on the cake, your fee is not typically the insurance company's fee. I forget the actual term used, but it might have been 'contract.' If you are billed $10k, but fully covered, your insurance will typically only pay about $5k, and the bill will be settled. Why? Because the hospital knows the insurance company has a huge dedicated team of lawyers fighting like wolves to protect their money, and they'd rather accept the smaller amount than fight for years. This was told to me by an Aetna agent on the phone as I worked my way into her confidence. So there you go. Uninsured patients make the hospital more money than insured patients. Yet another way to assure keeping a broken system in place.

 

It's funny -- there is a lot of criticism of the US from outside of it (and for good reasons). Yet I don't think they know the half of it. This is one seriously fucked up place in a lot of ways. Makes me sick.

 

Good luck, BC.

 

Amusing link.

[Sotha]

Got the bill today.

 

$27,000 and they want it by tommorrow. LOL. I'd be lucky to make that much in a year, not that I can save even a $1,000 a year.

 

Funny how the medical proffession is worried about getting paid, but by supporting the corrupt F'd up system for so long they have basically cut their own throats. If I could afford the $200 + a month for insurance (for a completely healthy individual) I would've had it. But they jack up the system so bad nobody can even afford the basic insurance. So that drives up prices more due to trying to recover lost costs, which makes it harder to afford,... the downward spiral of the greed based western civilization.

 

So I'll probably have to declare bankruptcy, which kills my credit but actually could make my financial situation better, while making the system worse.

The lack of any kind of logic in this whole process kills me.

 

Whoa! I'm dropping off my chair here! That sucks.

 

In Finland a broken wrist in the public health care would probably cost few hundred euros, definately no more than 1000e.

 

That health system of yours is totally phooey! Fat med companies getting ridiculous amounts of dollars out of other people's predicaments. Something is very wrong.. Maybe a small and neat revolution would be in place...

[Baddcog]

I don't own anything of value that's for sure. Paying off a truck, but they won't go after things like cars anyway.

 

By the time I pay it off it's only gonna be worth a few grand, so taking that and trying to turn it into money is just a waste of time. Couple bicycles, a computer... blood from a turnip.

 

And I've never been one to try and abuse the system, always pay my bills and all that. they just put you in a situation that forces your hand.

 

They did charge $8,000 I think for the 'implants'. I titanium plate and some screws, and I know that's not cheap stuff, but a machinist probably charges a grand for it, then they mark it up 8x.

I can buy a box of bandaids at the store for $5 and they charge $20 per bandage. Just a crock.

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I honestly don't think 'obamacare' (i hate that phrase) will help me that much. doesn't go into effect until 2014, then we are forced (moratorium) to buy insurance. Should be a single payer govt program that's for non-profit, all money goes back into system, imo and I'd be happy to pay more taxes for a fair system.

but forcing people to buy into the crooked system is just wrong.

All that will do is force me to pay the $200/month I already can't afford. So yeah, if I could afford it then it would have helped... Guess the rich people in congress don't understand budget if it's less than $200,000 a year.

 

the thing with the health care bill that passed is they say it will be 'cheaper' for everyone, because they think they can force all the people that can't afford it to pay for it so it evens out the costs for those who use it heavily.

Makes me quite sick too. I see so many people everyday that clearly don't even consider trying to take care of their health at all. over eating shit food, not excerising, being continually sick, and tons of money goes to help them with prescriptions and drugs to 'fix' their problems when diet and exercise could do that for free. And that in itself is a huge problem with the system.

Now we have repubs saying that practicing yoga is the devils religion, when it's a practice, not a religion and if everyone did it they'd be much healthier...

 

 

But contrary to what the polls and Faux news networks say, I don't think the repubs are going to do as good as they think in Nov. I hope they don't, that's for sure.

 

yeah, i could rant for days on these topics..

 

 

[Sotha]

OMG.

 

I hate comment systems in news services. I never read them because it seems that the people who comment the news in those are well.. usually limited by impediment of some mental kind.

 

But sometimes, when bored enough, I read those comments. They can be quite hilarious. I want to share a translation one of the comments, which I spotted just now in a finnish news feed. It fits perfectly to the discussion here.

 

The news which this text was commenting was about finnish goverment productivity improvement program, which failed: 8000 jobs have been reduced, but the productivity has not increased.

 

 

The government and municipalities are the things in which the money goes in and none of it comes out, that is, profit is minus 100%. Think about that if they could all be privatized to get more money even if eg 50% of net profit - more money in society! The car inspection service was previously offered by the goverment at a loss. Then came the wise men of CEOs and look: 30% of net profits! We sit on gold mines, but the Communists did not want to take the gold mines for use because they're jealous. U.S. health care is a privatized gold mine and produces 2 times more new money into the society. The Communists claim that it is the world's least effective health care system how can it be when it produces twice as much profit!?. Jealous Communist Barack Obama even tries to stop the gold mine.

[OrbWeaver]

"More money in society".

 

That's right, when services are privatised a golden hand comes down out of the sky and CREATES MORE MONEY that MAKES EVERYONE RICHER!!!

 

The idiocracy gets what it deserves.

[Thiefette]

Hey Baddcog - been awhile - just wondering how your wrist is healing?

[Baddcog]

"More money in society".

 

That's right, when services are privatised a golden hand comes down out of the sky and CREATES MORE MONEY that MAKES EVERYONE RICHER!!!

 

The idiocracy gets what it deserves.

 

I think it actually comes down and plants money trees

 

 

Pretty good, thanks. Out of the brace, able to use it now. Have to excersise it alot. Still really stiff but it's slowly loosening up.

[Thiefette]

Glad to hear you're on the mend and you're getting movement back.