Help needed with mapping and models in Tears of St. Lucia

[Fiver]

Would someone be willing to help adjusting some of the following mapping and model issues and suggestions?

Mapping:
* 0006364: Ladder cuts into the arch and the northern door when door is opened (https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6364)
* 0006365: Ladder in the wood shed cuts into a barrel (https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6365)
* 0006366: Clouds in the sky do not move in Tears of St. Lucia (https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6366)
* 0006374: Chandeliers in church hall (https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6374)
* 0006396: Return check is too sensitive (https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6396)
* 0006376: Wrong trigger for the hint about the hammer (https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6376)
* 0006395: Wall of church grounds unfinished (https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6395)
* 0006423: Graft map A New Job and map Tears of St. Lucia (https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6423)
* Training Mission, room Archery: Walking on the stone path outside the shooting range sounds like walking on grass. Floor in tower sounds OK. (-225.92 -807.79 240.29   32.6 -146.3 0.0)

Models:
* 0006373: Failure to pick lock of chest (https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6373)
* 0006375: Locked doors have no keyholes (https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6375)
* 0006381: Issues with model fence around the pulpit (https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6381)
* 0006382: The depth of the seats of the benches are too narrow (https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6382)
* 0006397: Some banners with builder symbol look sqashed narrow (https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6397)

The following are listed as authors of the mission:
* Original map: Jdude
* Story: Springheel
* Additional mapping: Springheel, Fidcal, Bikerdude, Greebo, datiswous (not listed), JackFarmer (not listed)

Edited April 5, 2024 by Fiver
added datiswous and JackFarmer as not listed for additional mapping, added 0006423 and linked urls, added 0006396, added 0006376, added 0006395, added 0006373, TM walk on stone

[datiswous]

Actually my name and @JackFarmershould be also under aditional mapping.

Normally one would post in the topic of the fm and then hope that someone (the author) comes along to fix it. But this is one of the main 2 missions in tdm.

[Fiver]

Thanks! I added your names to my post.

Okay, I'll post there next time. Feel free to move or merge this post if it belongs better somewhere else.

[datiswous]

It would be nice to have location data of these issues. Maybe included in a screenshot. See following topic:

 

Edited January 23, 2024 by datiswous

[Fiver]

9 hours ago, datiswous said:

It would be nice to have location data of these issues.

I have now added coordinates to the bugtracker issues that did not already have them.

[freyk]

I cannot speak for the mission creators, but if was one i would say: "thanks for the suggestions. please adjust them yourself, if you want to do it. The needed source and info are publisched online.  it takes time to repair the problems. I (dont) have time for it. Maybe you get some experience by repairing this yourself, to create some new content yourself."

Edited January 26, 2024 by freyk

[STiFU]

On 1/22/2024 at 11:45 AM, datiswous said:

Normally one would post in the topic of the fm and then hope that someone (the author) comes along to fix it

Yes, while Saint Lucia and A New Job are a little different, seeing that they are parts of the official introductory campaign, we usually use the bugtracker only for engine and core asset related issues. Please use the respective FM threads in the future.

[Fiver]

4 hours ago, freyk said:

thanks for the suggestions. please adjust them yourself, if you want to do it.

Right now I lack the skill, but maybe in the future. There is no rush, merely suggestions. The missions are perfectly fine already, and these are just details. I wasn't aware if updating other creators' missions, even OMs, was frowned upon or appreciated.

 

3 hours ago, STiFU said:

Please use the respective FM threads in the future.

I'll try and remember that. Thanks for your help!

[HMart]

2 hours ago, Fiver said:

...updating other creators' missions, even OMs, was frowned upon or appreciated.

Doing that without permission from the author/s is frowned upon, saying this because if I'm remembering correctly, caused some stir in this community in the past, including a ban.

And telling the truth, if I was a mission maker (that I'm not), I personally wouldn't want anyone to mess with my mission without my permission. 

[Fiver]

26 minutes ago, HMart said:

if I was a mission maker (that I'm not), I personally wouldn't want anyone to mess with my mission without my permission.

OK. Thanks! In my case the issue is moot because I don't know how to do it. Hence my plea for help...

If an FM author built their mission using assets that are licensed CC-BY-NC-SA (which I believe all do), if I understand correctly then that means they must license that mission under CC-BY-NC-SA too. Which in turn means anyone can build further on their work as long as they follow the conditions stipulated in the license. It seems odd to release a work under a certain license and then say "but I don't want you to do what the license explicitly grants you to do".

"Applying a Creative Commons license to your material is a serious decision. When you apply a CC license, you give permission to anyone to use your material for the full duration of applicable copyright and similar rights." (https://creativecommons.org/faq/)

If an author once benefited from the license when they created their mission, why would they not want others to benefit similarly from the same licenses? The license requires their name be mentioned in every remix that follows.

At the same time I can understand that some creators more than anything want to create. The desire and drive to create may be so great that they accept conditions during the time of creation, to give them artistic freedom and to use the best available assets; contitions that they regret later when their work is finished and published, and they want to keep control over it.

For the OMs I think the project as a whole would benefit from a relaxed and welcoming stance towards changes.

[datiswous]

The license.text (you can find it in the root of tdm install) says this:

Quote

Unless explicitly stated otherwise, all maps, textures, models, def files, audio
assets, and all other non-software components that are distributed with The Dark Mod
are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0
Unported license, as specified at
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/legalcode
and described at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/

Any missions downloaded through the ingame downloader, the TDM website or external
sources are the property of their respective authors, and different licensing may apply.
Without explicit permission from the mission authors, you may not redistribute, modify
or reuse (parts of) these missions or the assets contained within them.

Anyway, I don't really understand what you want. I think enough has been said no? You posted about the stuff that you think needs fixing. Maybe someone picks it up and it gets fixed.

Edited January 26, 2024 by datiswous

[Fiver]

30 minutes ago, datiswous said:

I don't really understand what you want.

I suppose I want the same as most who contribute to the project in one way or the other: to volunteer my time, effort, and knowledge to help TDM be as good as it can be.

 

31 minutes ago, datiswous said:

I think enough has been said no?

Sure.

 

31 minutes ago, datiswous said:

You posted about the stuff that you think needs fixing. Maybe someone picks it up and it gets fixed.

OK.

[snatcher]

It abandoned @DeTeEff, but then something happened that the Mission did not intend. It was picked up by the most unlikely creatures imaginable...

Carry on @Fiver !

[freyk]

Fiver, there are many ways you can contribute. Several ways are described on the forum and wiki.

You pointed us to some locations in missions. Please read the forum posts & the wiki, watch some youtube editor tutorials, download and  use the mission files & darkradiant to try fix/change  the things you mentioned.

For starters, 

 

And

https://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=DarkRadiant

Edited January 27, 2024 by freyk