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TDM 2.14 is ready for beta test This is how to get beta versions: Upgrade from any version (fast): 1 - Start tdm_installer in darkmod folder. 2 - On the first screen, check "Get custom version" and click "Next". Choose the first name in beta/2.14 list, should look like "beta214-NN". 3 - Click on "Refresh" button to ensure that it is not going to download too much stuff. 4 - Continue installing with "Next". Fresh install (slow): 1 - Create darkmod folder anywhere you like. 2 - Download the TDM Installer from downloads section of the website. Extract tdm_installer executable from the downloaded ZIP and place it into your darkmod folder. 3 - Start tdm_installer (in case of Linux, first edit file permissions to allow executing it). 4 - On the first screen, check "Get custom version" and click "Next". Choose the first name in beta/2.14 list, should look like "beta214-NN". 5 - Continue installing with "Next". In general, upgrade is recommended over fresh install. If you don't want to lose your current TDM installation, then you can copy the whole TDM directory and upgrade the copy. This way you can have both 2.14 beta and 2.13 at the same time. At the end of installation, tdm_installer resets your config by renaming darkmod.cfg to darkmod_{datatime}.cfg. This is a recommended procedure on upgrade, otherwise you are likely to have issues due to old config. If you need your old config for some reason, you can always find it in darkmod folder. Notes 1 - Please try to be specific when reporting a problem. What you were doing, where you were when the problem occurred, can you reproduce it, etc. This wiki article provides many suggestions for good bug reports. 2 - This effort is to find out if we broke anything in TDM with our 2.14 changes, if a new 2.14 feature isn't working correctly. We won't be trying to fix bugs that have been around for a long time. Instead, we will create an issue in bugtracker (if not yet present), to fix it after beta. 3 - If you find something wrong, it would be helpful if you report whether the issue happens in 2.13 too. By the way, you can easily get 2.13 version: just copy your darkmod folder and run tdm_installer on the copy, selecting "release213" on the custom version screen. Thank you for testing !

Besides the usual (legitimate) excuses about this being an open source project run by volunteers who have other commitments, etc., I think one of the main things missing is a proper triage process and prioritized backlog for bug reports and feature requests. At least that's how a 'real' software project would work. But someone trusted by the dev team would need to volunteer for that role (if it's even agreed it's needed). Loads of issues get reported, but in different places (the bug tracker, or various forum posts, Discord, etc.). The forum is a nightmare to search, so things get lost as soon as they are posted. Some devs don't really read all of the forums unless they are tagged (again, I don't blame them not everyone has time to read every single post or hang around Discord 24/7). I make sure to log bug reports and feature requests in the bug tracker, so at least I can easily find them later. I think there is a better chance of someone seeing it there as well. Then you could maybe raise awareness of it by posting in the forums with a link to it. Unfortunately with respect to features and suggestions, nobody is really in a position to make any promises at any given time whether something can or will be implemented. It seems to need to reach some critical mass of internal discussion first, which sometimes only happens after some pestering occurs. If you look at the stuff that @Daft Mugi and @STiFU have implemented recently, they do a great job of making a case for their feature requests, complete with screen shots, videos, evidence from users from discord and forums, rationale with pros and cons. This helps a lot when trying to convince a group of people that your idea is worth considering. EDIT: I meant to say the non-responses can definitely give the impression of apathy and that's frustrating, but I think that would be a harsh assumption. IMO this forum or Discord are not suited to feature discussion. The rest of the world has moved onto things like Github issues which are way easier to have targeted, scoped discussions about particular bugs or features. And also to find them later.

Easy outdoors recipe. If you are lazy and want to make an outdoor area, you could use this strategy: It doesn't look even bad from high up: The setup is really simple: You have 1) the play area (selected and red.) 2) area with skybox texture (blue) 3) skybox (you need to add some kind of ground terrain there) 4) hide the seam between play area and the skybox texture area with a pile of big bushes. These bushes I made with simple bunch of patches with the wood model leave textures. I made it into an ase model and cloned the 32 decal bunch around to generate thich bushes. I also placed some trees floating into the skybox texture area. 5) You must make the bushes closed area so that the player cannot move into them. Otherwise the end-of-world is nasty looking and visible: Enjoy! Previously in the Easy Recipe series: Easy Vault recipe: http://forums.thedar...y-vault-recipe/ Easy caverns recipe: http://forums.thedar...caverns-recipe/

Speaking of savegame compatibility. I hate it too Every time I decide to play some mission during beta, something happens and I have to switch to the most up-to-date version, and then can't even remember which revision I was playing on! I don't think we can realistically support savegame compatibility across versions. But we can probably do some lifetime improvements, maybe add various filters: only show compatible saves, or sort them by engine revision, showing engine revision at least, etc. Speaking of bugtracker. Perhaps somewhere on the forums there are messages from 10-15 years ago like "you can help us by posting a bug on bugtracker, we promise we'll look at it". If there are, I think we should delete them as those are false promises. It's not like we have a project manager who tracks all newly created issues 24/7 and decides what to do with them. It is safe to say that almost nobody looks at what's added to bugtracker. If some TDM issue is really annoying to you, the most likely way to get it fixed is to talk to some developers or team members, or at least mappers. It does not mean bugtracker is useless though: it is more like a knowledge database of everything that bothers people, with more focused comments, not a well-tuned pipeline to get it fixed.

The TDM Unofficial Patch is a personal project of mine to modify some small details that annoyed me in the core game. It wouldn't be possible without many others, so thanks to the whole TDM community for discussions and help, but especially to friendly modders who directly contributed code for it, like Obsttorte, Dragofer, Kingsal, Goldwell, Destined, and snatcher! You can find it under the link below and while over the years there was little progress, in recent times many things have been improved that I never even thought of when I started and some might be worth to be included in the core game. https://www.moddb.com/mods/the-dark-mod/addons/the-dark-mod-unofficial-patch Version Changelog: ------------------ v1.7 20.08.2022 ---- Made loot icon change right back to last tool icon, thanks snatcher. Added new whistle player skill to distract NPCs, thanks to snatcher. Made more lights extinguishable and added info for 4 beta missions. Corrected container bottom fix messing up drawers, thanks Dragofer. Improved unlit behaviour of moveable light sources, thanks snatcher. Corrected lit lamps set to extinguished in maps, thanks to Dragofer. Changed western empire maps so the location of Bridgeport is vague. Added several major city names to the small map, thanks to Kukutoo. Fixed frobing animation not working with bound and carried entities. v1.6 23.07.2022 ---- Improved extinguishing oil lamps, thanks to Dragofer and Obsttorte. Added frobing animation, thanks to Obsttorte, Goldwell and snatcher. Fixed container bottoms and training mission chest, thanks Dragofer. Made doors open faster when running, thanks Obsttorte and snatcher. Added more player tools to training mission and improved text there. Fixed Holy Water doing no damage and Hazard Pay not starting at all. Made all five oil lamps in Sotha's "The Bakery Job" extinguishable. Added blow player skill to snuff out small flames, thanks snatcher. Changed Unarmed icon to make clear that the player always has a bow. v1.5 02.07.2022 ---- Created Invisibility Potion out of cut Speed Potion, thanks Kingsal. Increased arrow head shot damage to both living and undead enemies. Replaced slow matches with easier to handle flints, thanks Kingsal. v1.4 10.03.2022 ---- Replaced Frob Helper with dark Frob Outline and updated to TDM 2.10. Made electric mine stun elite guards too and improved mission names. Renamed mission installation/selection UI mishmash to "activation". v1.3 21.02.2021 ---- Changed flashmine to stunning electric mine and updated to TDM 2.09. Edited more mission names and made threefold candles extinguishable. v1.2 26.08.2020 ---- Updated to TDM 2.08 and fixed custom holywater script compatibility. Added Numbers Scroll showing stealth and loot info, thanks Dragofer. Edited more mission names to avoid truncated descriptions in menus. Added default keys info to training mission and repaired cut lines. v1.1 03.02.2019 ---- Moveable candles can be extinguished directly by frobing the candle. More blackjack immune enemies and inextinguishable candles modified. The key frob distance has been decreased to be that of lockpicking. Holy Water bottles must be thrown directly, but they do more damage. The controls settings menu additions have been updated for TDM 2.07. New mission names have been fixed to fix format and spacing issues. Added looking up and looking down controls for people without mouse. Pointed bad prefabs container open/close sounds to existing effects. Added version info to starting screen and edited some new missions. v1.0 06.05.2018 ---- Many enemies will not become immune to blackjacking when alerted. Oil lamps can be snuffed by frobing, thanks Destined and Obsttorte. The controls settings menu lists that "use" can work on held items. Mission names were syncronized between download and online lists. The controls settings menu lists that "frob" can get or drop items. Astericks were added to official missions to move them to list top. Minor text and format bugs have been fixed in some mission infos.

On a lighter note (and because my holiday started today, oh yeah!), let's have a new thread for music, that you just enjoy and probably is not so well known...or somehow obscure but does not sound as strange as the songs we report in @STiFU's progessive music thread. Here is one of my new favourites, a similar recording of this track by other artists has been used in an US show broadcasted last year ( @Amadeus: What is the name of the show? )

Hello folks ! i´m writing this here because i really want to write to team members forgive me --- it will be harsh so if you don´t like harsh critics stop reading !!!! but before : I love tdm and therefor all members who put hard work/time/interrest + love into it !!"!! I´d thought to give useful comments to several behaviour in TDM/or missions But ---wait ---- at first : at the moment i am really fed up with the behaviour of save handling !!!!! started with 1.05 up to 2.10 i exapted one allways is in need for a new install of TDM ( To keep saves alive ) so now i have : 2.10 + 2.11 +2.12 +2.12 with mods +2.13 + 2.13 with mods with the announce of Displacment i got/am angry to follow the upscale one should do : (disdplacement ordered a 2.14-beta ) 2.14 beta + disp...V1 -> 2.14beta+disp.V2 -> 2.14beta2+v2 ->2.14.beta2+V3 ->2.14beta3 + V3 followed by 2.14beta4* ??????? just to keep saves alive ( 6+ more installs only to follow the .......??????) none beta -none v* can keep saves alive ( in meantime i renamed displacement - without help !! saved them and put them somewhere else to reload) only to have the chance to follow what works and what not --- i would have needed 6 + more installs of TDM ---- you´re kidding !!!!! To the one´s who where readind up to now please give me a Tip/Instruction per PM - how i could use save-Games i formally had I am sure it is possible ; because often by problems in Missions it´s been asked to send a save-file to reproduce the Problem (and it´s been answered)!) why -(for gods sake do you still behave in this threatness) my request to do an install routine for a new separat install of tdm (with all downloaded mission but withoutsaves) by stagilov was answederwith : not worth the efford so one has to do a new clean install - and download all the missions again --- (or to manual delete all the saves by one ) --- whow other stuff i mentioned (i thoughed could be of interest to team members) where just ignored ! in my wishlist for 2.14 only the Ko-arrow has been discussed (By Players) no comment about sorting mission list by date or getting Mission-Title in End-Screen-score also the new behaviour of rope-aropws in Displacement (not sure if Tdm/or mission related ) has not been answered there have been other ignored ! An other tip for the forum : Please : add : a dislike to your comments : instead of love/thanks/confuesed so with five dislike ( by now with PM) i will quit the forum and don't bother you again

In 2.13 switches, levers... get triggered "on key press" whereas in 2.14(b4) get triggered "on key release", regardless of the frob control style, hence my guessing. But I can now see that levers and switches may not be triggered at all if you hold-frob for too long EXCEPT if you have Frob/Interact set to Disabled so I no longer can tell if the issue is in the new frob styles or in the new door controls. Lever example: Official 1 A New Job setviewpos 1300 -80 -80 (turn right) Switch example: Seeking Lady Leicester setviewpos 3000 1000 350 (turn left)

"When the leaves change and the air is still, there is a quiet." -Lady Blackbriar -=| DISPLACEMENT |=- BY AMADEUS & WELLINGTONCRAB = DOWNLOAD = <( | )> -PLAYS BEST ON 2.14- -JOIN THE BETA NOW- "Seek not the prideful sin that is perfection The Builder's light shines through all flaws. It is His wisdom to recognize a thing is done Before it is ever truly finished." -St. Edgar's Sermon of Rust LAMPFIRE HILLS... They say the woods around here give the tourists bad dreams, but I don't mind. I like it here. I feel like a piece of me belongs here. ... That it fits. DISPLACEMENT is a medium-sized traditional manor mission with a highly variable playtime. *2.14 provides a number of improvements to gameplay, performance, and stability. It is strongly encouraged to play on the latest 2.14 beta release. Join in testing now!* *Mods such as the “Unofficial Patch” and “TDM Modpack” are not supported by this mission and should be used at your own risk* https://www.thiefguild.com/fanmissions/97429/displacement CREDITS: ADDITIONAL MUSIC: -AIRSHIP BALLET -GIGAGOOGA ADDITIONAL SCRIPTING: -DRAGOFER -OBSTORTTE -FROST SALAMANDER -KINGSAL ADDITIONAL ASSETS: -KINGSAL -TDASH -SKACKY -BIKERDUDE -GOLDWELL -EPIFIRE -STRUNK -SHANNEN ART -POLYHAVEN -TEXTURES.COM -SKETCHFAB CULTURAL HERITAGE CC0 COMMUNITY -LOISTE INTERACTIVE -COLINFIZGIG -CDMIR BETA TESTERS: -KINGSAL -GOLDWELL -MAT99 -FROST SALAMANDER -MIKE A -STGATILOV -STIFU -MARBLEMAN -DETEEFF -THEBIGH FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGMENTS: -STIFU FOR HIS EFFORT IN FIXING THE NOTORIOUS STUCK AI AND ARROW CRASH BUGS. -STGATILOV WHO MADE A NUMBER OF 2.14 OPTIMIZATIONS AND BUG FIXES. -KINGSAL FOR PROVIDING SOME OF THE MAIN MENU GUI ASSETS -PURAH FOR ORIGINATING THE SETTING OF LAMPFIRE HILLS, REIMAGINED HERE, IN HIS THIEF FMS. -GUY-ON THE COUCH AND JAM61 FOR THEIR SILENT HILL COMMUNITY MAPS WHICH HEAVILY INSPIRED THE LAMPFIRE HILLS REGION MAP. -SPECIAL THANKS TO LOISTE INTERACTIVE FOR ALLOWING US TO USE ASSETS FROM THEIR GAME "INFRA." SOME ADDIITONAL DETAILED LICENSING INFORMATION: SOME NOTES ON PERFORMANCE: NOTE TO MAPPERS: MOST OF THE NEW ASSETS IN THE MISSION ARE INCLUDED IN THE 2.14 BETA RELEASE.

I think this has to do with new frob door controls more than the new frob styles but I didn't check the code and I cannot prove it. In this topic it is said: But setting tdm_door_control to 0 doesn't disable the feature but kind of hides it (as in setting a time value to 0 or something). Regardless, a switch is a binary mover (on/off, open/closed) just like doors and if the frob door controls apply to all binary movers then this would explain switches (and levers and who knows what else) being treated like doors by the frob door control feature. Just guessing, eh.

Author Note: Shadows of Northdale is a new campaign that takes place in a city called Northdale that is situated up in the mountains of the western empire. Across the campaign the player will traverse through the varying districts of the city with each mission featuring it's own unique location as well as different locations in the city hub to access. ACT I is the first mission which is designed to introduce the player to the city hub area and the new mechanics available to them. During the first night in the city hub section there are a couple of places to explore however this will expand and open up further as you progress through the campaign's missions. This mission features some aspects which are different to the usual dark mod FM experience which are: - Food is an item that is picked up and stored in your inventory, pressing the use key with the food item highlighted will cause the player to eat it and gain 5hp - There is an ingame fence where you can purchase gear using any loot you may have found during the mission, you can visit him as many times as you wish but do be mindful of your loot goals - Also inside the fence's shop are contracts, these are readables which detail tasks that a client wishes you to complete for an agreed sum of gold. Upon completing them you will be rewarded with the designated sum immediately - Because you are not a wanted criminal (yet) the citywatch will only attack you if they catch you breaking the law or find you near the scene of a crime - Candles are pinchable in this mission, frobbing them causes Corbin to pinch them to put them out rather than pick them up The mission was designed and tested on 2.05, if you are playing on any other version there may be bugs present. If you enjoyed the mission please feel free to leave a review, I enjoy reading them and it gives me inspiration for my next projects. Tell me what you felt worked and what you felt could be improved for next time. Have fun taffers! - Goldwell. 2.06 UPDATE INFO: If you are experiencing any path finding issues (AI walking around in circles or getting stuck) on 2.06 then please enter the following console command to resolve these issues cm_backFaceCull 0. Thanks goes to Nbohr1more for solving that! Testers Crowind Epifire Kingsal Random_Taffer Skacky SquadaFroinx Voice Actors AndrosTheOxen Goldwell SlyFoxx Custom assets Andreas Rocha Bentraxx Bob Necro Dragofer Epifire Freesound Kingsal MalachiAD Tannar And a very special thank you to the following people without whom the mission would not exist: Epifire for creating some amazing detailed custom models that help bring a unique layer that wouldn't be possible without it. Seriously go check out his modeling page! Dude is very talented https://sketchfab.com/Epifire Grayman for helping to debug a lot of critical bugs in the mission, without him there wouldnt be a mission Kingsal and Skacky for helping out with excellent tips on level design, flow and lighting Moonbo for lending his writing talents to help optimize the briefing video script Obsttorte for making the majority of the scripts featured in this mission, and for dealing with my constant nagging about issues and bugs, you are awesome! SlyFoxx for lending his vocal talents and making the fence character come to life and sound great SquadaFroinx for providing thorough beta reports (that are equally hilarious as they are useful) And finally a huge thank you to Tannar for drawing the fantastic looking ingame map Available via in-game downloader MIRROR File Size: 295 mb

I just had a look through your PRs - these look great and I can hardly wait to give them a try! When's the next DR release? As for other new stuff, there are a bunch of feature requests on the bug tracker - have you looked there? Just search for 'feature request' with Dark Radiant project selected: https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view_all_bug_page.php They are probably pretty boring compared to the stuff you've just added, but it would be cool if someone looked at them!

Arriving today at all libraries across the Empire, you'll now get to enjoy over 20 new book covers sourced from the Public Domain. Ranging from spellbooks to shiny ornate tomes and outright strange volumes, this pack has everything you need to add that extra bit of spice to your bookshelves. Brought to you by @Bikerdude and myself, we would like to remind you that: Yes, you can judge a book by its cover! You can download the pack here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pT31cbmk1n7GQ94LUvfk3GwHnmaXGNDK/view?usp=sharing Happy reading, Taffers!

Hidden Hands: Vitalic Fever Filename : hhvf.pk4 Date of release: 20/07/2019 Latest Version: 5 (21/04/2025) Version 5 - changes: - fixed defective ambient light - added subtitles (thanks to @datiswous) - added compressed briefing video (thanks to @datiswous - fixed/replace (defective) textures - added a few new models and items - added new title & loading screen - ...made a few tasks a little easier - dmap with 2.13 Hidden Hands Series: I. Initation - II. Vitalic Fever Jack Farmer: mapping & drafts Amadeus: alpha testing, geometry fixes, performance checks, drafts for gameplay and objectives, revision of all readables, dialogues & narrator texts Grayman: AI fixes, gameplay fixes, trap fixes Duzenko: alpha testing, performance checks and improvement tips Beta Testers: - Joebarnin - Cambridge Spy - Boiler's Hiss (aka "The architect's darling") - Jedi_Wannabe (aka "The man of many voices") - Amadeus (aka "The Writer") Voice actors: Malasdair Narrator Jedi_Wannabe All four guards chatting about the guests, chickens, inventions and unusual job interviews New Horizon The educated Builder Goldchocobo The naive Builder Special thanks to: - Springheel, Sotha, and Fidcal for the tutorials. - VanishedOne, Stumpy, Destined, Grayman, Joebarnin and ERH+ for patiently answering my questions solving all the in-game problems. - PsymH (aka "Stringer Bell") for connecting me with the right guys on TTLG for additional voice acting. - Goldwell for teaching me how to integrate a custom video in a fms and helping me with troubleshooting during the integration of one of the Builder's voices. - all voice actors & beta testers for their great support. - all others not mentioned here who answered my questions in the Newbie thread or via PM. Contributors from the Inventor's Guild: - Destined wrote a new definition for the "spidsey-babsies", enabling those beasts to move through tunnels. - Grayman wrote a script enabling Halfrid to hold the quill only when it is needed. He also fixed several other AI problems with respect to path finding, damages and interaction with light switches. Pilfered items: - Portal sky with hills and trees originally developed and arranged by Sotha for "Thomas Porter: The Transaction". - Frobbox booster re-created from a map originally developed by Grayman All new ambient music and sound effects written, performed and mixed by Jack Farmer. Briefing video by SirSmokeAlot Pictures Version 5 - changes: - fixed defective ambient light - added subtitles (thanks to @datiswous) - added compressed briefing video (thanks to @datiswous - fixed/replace (defective) textures - added a few new models and items - added new title & loading screen - ...made a few tasks a little easier - dmap with 2.13

Let me complement that for you, Frost. Another idea is to have a mod-friendly mindset and whenever a mechanic changes or a new feature is introduced we can expose parts of the engine for modders to easily tweak the feature if desired. Furthermore we can keep an eye on what modders are doing today and try to support their initiatives. That way we don't have to triage, decide or change anything and who knows, mod X may be well received and end up in core eventually. A mod-friendly mindset could bring to the game artists and experts that aren't necessarily interested in mapping but can potentially enrich the game in ways we can hardly imagine today.

This pinned thread's purpose is to collect links to all the discussion threads for new features to be added in 2.14: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23080-214-new-and-updated-assets/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23072-214-mirrors-and-remotes-resolution-and-optimizations/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23070-214-tdm-version-macros-and-x-ray-breaking-change/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23071-214-in-game-screenshot-as-menu-background/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23073-214-interactible-projected-decals/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23074-214-new-smoke-generation-system/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23088-214-beta-ko-non-elite-ai-after-flash/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23087-214-beta-frob-changes-additions/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/22736-font-localization/page/2/#findComment-503417 Maybe: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23104-script-debugger/ As well as older Feature Collection Threads: [2.13] Feature Discussion Threads [2.12] Feature discussion threads [2.11] Feature discussion threads [2.10] Feature discussion threads

Miscellaneous asset fixes done: * More fixes in fonts and better support for Cyrillic and Romanian (post, 6642, 6661). * Added all missing mipmaps in DDS textures (post). * Fixed shop description of slow match (6629). * wood/panels/trim_wood_grunge_moulding_desat: fixed parallax confusion. * models/md5/chars/builders/guard/builder_armor material: brought back specularmap. * textures/darkmod/stone/brick/blocks_light_stained_trimmed material: fixed specularmap. * prefabs/doors/trapdoor_w-padlock prefab: fixed wrong particle (6662). * prefabs/mechanical/switches/wall_lever01 prefab: fixed frobbox of the lever (6060). * models/darkmod/architecture/doors/door*hinge models: fixed gaps in almost all versions (6671) [02]. * models/darkmod/furniture/wardrobe_open model and prefab: fixed clipping through frame (6272) [02]. * models/md5/chars/heads/female03_head_local and dds/models/md5/chars/heads/face_freckle textures: replaced (5545) [03]. * models/darkmod/readables/book_* model: fixed UV maps in sp1 and red1 versions, texture fix (6672) [03]. * prefabs/doors/curvedtop_door_96x48_3hinge_w-frame prefab: fixed hinge material (3212) [03]. * models/darkmod/readables/book_tome model: minor fixes [03]. * models/darkmod/containers/bucket model: gap fixes (6675) [04]. * models/darkmod/containers/barrel_wine model: fixed shadowmesh (6685) [04]. * New assets added: * atdm:ai_undressed_old_man_01: added new character model, including LODs, ragdoll, swappable head. * textures/darkmod/wood/panels/trim_wood_* material: added red variants. * textures/darkmod/wood/panels/panel_decorative_redder_grated material. * textures/darkmod/paint_paper/gold_pedals_* material: added RGB versions. * textures/darkmod/paint_paper/fleur_* material: added RGB versions. * textures/darkmod/stone/brick/red_worn_dirty_trim_wet material. * textures/darkmod/stone/brick/old_bricks_darkgrey_wet material. * models/darkmod/lights/non-extinguishable/painting_downlight model. * models/darkmod/containers/openable/safe_door_003_* and safe_wheel_003: added wall-in-safe door model and prefabs (6590). And there is a big set of assets added by @Wellingtoncrab and @Amadeus from the upcoming mission "Displacement". New models by TDash: * models/darkmod/furniture/beds/rustickingbed with skins DRustBed* * models/darkmod/furniture/seating/darmch1 with skins ArmCh* * models/darkmod/furniture/desk_pagan with skin JPagDesk2 * models/darkmod/furniture/steps_library with skin LibStepup1 * models/darkmod/mechanical/typewriter * models/darkmod/kitchen/wine_bottles_shelved*: versions A, B, C, D * models/darkmod/kitchen/whiskeyglass_silver * models/darkmod/kitchen/bottle_simple_* * models/darkmod/containers/crate_long_* * models/darkmod/containers/crate_simple* * trunk/models/darkmod/containers/wine_crate_03 * models/darkmod/furniture/cabinets/cupboard_* More models: * prefabs/mechanical/switches/red_button prefab along with models/darkmod/mechanical/switches/switch_redbutton* and switch_toggle* models and redbutton_glow* skins * models/darkmod/decorative/statues/bust_emperor_* model (and bust_emperess) * models/darkmod/kitchen/food/bread_loaf*: new versions 02, 03, 04, 05, 06 * models/darkmod/kitchen/food/croissant * models/darkmod/lights/non-extinguishable/streetlamps/streetlamp_iron_01 with skins streetlamp_iron_01_lit, streetlamp_iron_01_unlit * models/darkmod/decorative/trophy_plaque_* * models/darkmod/decorative/stuffed_hart* * models/darkmod/decorative/statues/statue_face_cover* * models/darkmod/loot/loot_golden_goblet* * models/darkmod/loot/loot_golden_vase_* * models/darkmod/decorative/ashtray * models/darkmod/decorative/cigar* with skins cigar and cigar_unlit * models/darkmod/loot/loot_crystalore* (and loot_rareore) New skins: * cabinet1_* for furniture: versions A, B, C * book_sp1_gold_crest for various books Stone, cobblestone, brick materials: * textures/darkmod/stone/brick/bricks_old_light* * textures/darkmod/stone/brick/blocks_sandstone_grime_trimmed * textures/darkmod/stone/brick/blocks_concrete_small_trimmed2 * textures/darkmod/stone/cobblestones/flagstones_bricks_multicolored* * textures/darkmod/stone/flat/tile_dirty_terracotta * textures/darkmod/stone/flat/tile_herringbone_grime* * textures/darkmod/stone/flat/tile_checkered_grime_tricolor* * textures/darkmod/stone/flat/tile_checkered_grime_small* * textures/darkmod/stone/natural/gravel_multi_color Other materials materials: * textures/darkmod/paint_paper/wallpaper_grunge_* * textures/darkmod/plaster/plaster_worn_painted_peeling_autumnal* * textures/darkmod/roof/rooftiles_clay_red_decorative* * textures/darkmod/wood/boards/planks_floor_* * textures/darkmod/glass/glass_brick_clear [03] * lights/watercaustics01 Note: [03] at the end of line means that this change appeared only in beta214-03.

I concluded that save preservation doesn't work between versions and accepted that. But yeah it can be frustrating. I would say download a 2.14 beta version, but don't upgrade tdm during playing. If you want to beta test a new version, just copy the install directory and install a newer beta on it. I think improvements could be made to the TDM installer. I think the installer could have an option in the last screen to delete all saves in excisting missions. It might be possible to write a simple script for that so players could do that themself if wanted. Another (better) idea is to hide saves from previous versions inside the load/save gui. So you only see the saves from that specific version and if you go back a version you might see saves from previous versions, but only those. One would think this is possible because it gives a not compatible warning on load of these saves, so I would say it's known info. The installer could be set via a shortcut to do automated installs based partly on existing data? So: Source directory files / downloaded online fms files location (excluding saves?) modds installed Edit: The installer (don't know if there are differences between Win and Linux versions) doesn't give many options for installing from script/command line it seems. You can set: --help: Display this list of parameters. --unattended: Unattended install. --version {ver}: Install the version instead of the default one. So (I think) one could make a script that: makes a directory with prompt: name copies over tdm installer to that directory Starts installer unattended with specific version (via prompt?) Copies over fms folder from previous tdm install directory deletes all save folders in all folders in fms folder

I haven't noticed it with keys (but haven't really tried). But I HAVE noticed it with light switches. I don't get the sound thing that you do, but if I sit there and frob a light switch repeatedly, eventually it will 'miss', and I have to frob it a couple of times more before the switch will move. I thought it was maybe just a dirty keyboard (space bar is my frob key), but I never notice a problem when typing and now it sounds like others have similar issues. @STiFU in case this is something to do with the new frob changes, using a light switch is a good way to test it, as the object won't disappear into your inventory.

I think it's time to replace the frob material stages with a shader (probably add a param to the existing ambient shader) There is more than one angle to this issue but I am mainly concerned about too many stages in materials that are somewhat taxing in terms of performance. Imagine rendering of 3K surfaces interacting with 3 lights in average and using materials with 7 stages in average. The renderer loops through every stage for every surface making it ~ 20K checks per loop. It has to happen during the depth stage, then each light and then the ambient pass resulting in 100K checks. It makes sense to try to reduce this load, especially considering that the frob stage is relatively rarely invoked and the checks happen on the backend making it hard to parallelize the computation. I am thinking adding a top-level material keyword that would apply as frob color and get passed to the ambient shader when the surface is a part of a frobable entity. I would like to hear your thoughts from the mapper/designer POV.

Save game incompatibility is typical for many games, Bloodlines has the same problem. My solution is simple: I finish each mission to the most before I install a new TDM version! I also wait with the betas until missions need them to run at all...

This thread is intended for discussing and reporting things about the new frob changes during beta. Most of the description below was already given in a previous thread. Bugtracker: #6658, #6668. New Frob Control Styles I have completely refactored the frob-handling code. Now, it is easy to setup different frob control styles. There are currently 3 (and a half), which you can try in 2.14 beta. Under "Settings > Gameplay > General > Hold Frob/Interact" (cvar tdm_frob_control_style), you can change the frob control style. This setting replaced the previous hold frob delay setting (tdm_holdfrob_delay), because I think that nobody would touch that value unless they want to disable the holdfrob mechanic, which can now be achieved by the new setting as well. The currently available control styles are: Disabled: No hold-frob mechanic, i.e., pre v2.12 control style TDM: Short frob is the same as pre v2.12, but long frob is a shortcut for "grab and then use" (use-type interactions) Thief (v2.12): Same as TDM, but behaviour for bodies is swapped. Body limbs are interacted with via "drag and drop". TDM-inverted: Short frob for use-type interactions, hold frob to "drag and drop" objects (when you release the mouse button, you will release the object) I always loved the drag and drop interaction with body limbs created by Daft Mugi and I wanted to see it consistently extended to all objects, which motivated the refactor. I am very happy with the result and I hope you players enjoy it as much as I do. The Thief control style will still remain the default settings, however, as I didn't want to open that can of worms. Hold-Frob Mechanic for Doors There was previously no hold-frob mechanic for doors, except for experimental manual door control feature. I have added two additional new control modes for hold-frob on doors, which you can activate through the cvar tdm_door_control. The modes are: 0: Disabled 1: Manual door fine control (experimental, existing feature) 2: Hold frob to slowly move doors. They are opened and closed alternatingly, just like regular frobbing a door, but interrupting a moving door is skipped. 3: Hold frob to slowly open doors. Additionally, I added in the ability to quickly force close a door by holding frob and pressing attack. It felt like mode 3 ("Slow Open") gave the most benefits and most direct controls to the player and pairs well with the force-close mechanic. So, I just set "Slow Open" as the default and I did not add it to the settings menu, but you are of course encouraged to try the other modes as well. The idea behind this addition is that the player can now slowly sneak and peak through a door, but then can also quickly shut the door again if the player deems the situation unsafe. This adds more skill expression and creates further immersion. 2.14 Beta Please use this thread to report any issues with frobbing (always state tdm_frob_control_style and tdm_door_control configuration), the new door control modes (please test them rigorously) and to give feedback on any of the above changes. Pinging players that previously showed interest in this: @wesp5, @snatcher, @Baal, @Skaruts, @Wellingtoncrab, @Amadeus

Got it! Sorry I didn't have a script folder, so I thought I had misunderstood. I got it working on Displacement v2 and the new v3 you sent me. Still doesn't work on Painter's Wife, but that doesn't matter. I understand the process now. Thanks a bunch!

They had early bird laptops with Arc B390 that were under $1,500, but that pricing was basically a fluke. Real pricing is often above $2,000, comparable to products with AMD's faster Radeon 8050S/8060S graphics. Also well above laptops with faster RTX 5060 (mobile) dGPUs. Arc B390 is relevant for its power efficiency, not performance/$. Underneath the 10/12-core Xe models are a bunch of models with 4 Xe cores that are probably similar to AMD's Krackan Point (Ryzen AI 7 350, Radeon 860M, 8 CUs) which can be found in $400-500 laptops. AMD did drag its feet this year with mobile refreshes, but don't be fooled into thinking Panther Lake is some laptop market savior.

After several months of hard work, we are proud to announce the latest edition of "No Honor Among Thieves"!!! EFX EDITION!!! EFX reverb has been added to all missions! NHAT has never been more immersive. From the dry woody reverb of the local pub to the sonorous and lofty echo of the Cathedrals, prepare your ears for a auditory treat! PERFORMANCE!!! Several major sore spots that impacted performance in v3 and older have been substantially optimized. Players with less capable hardware will now be less frustrated traversing caves, courtyards, and forests. VISUALS!!! Many areas have been visually overhauled!!! Improved lighting, new scene geometry, new textures, new water effects ( thanks @Arcturus !!! ), more vertex blended terrains, and more. Some areas have been visually redesigned to better match the story and convey the key characters. GAMEPLAY!!! Some new play areas have been added. A little more rooftop action is available for climbers. A few new readables for side characters expand the lore of the mission. Improved AI scripted events in the final mission escape sequence!!! Other things: The ROQ videos have been converted to MP4 to make them more compatible with the latest TDM versions. This mission still uses 2.09 style API controlled videos, we will rework the menu gui to be 2.10 (beta) compatible shortly so that "Dev Build" players can enjoy the additional performance and improvements available in those builds. Credits: @Bikerdude for the majority of the mapping work in this overhaul @Dragofer for assisting with scripting and def setup @nbohr1more new cathedral textures and improved water material def setup, a few readables @Arcturus MD3 animated water and water textures Original crew: @Goldchocobo @RailGun @Mortem Desino who created the original version along with updates to versions up to v2.0. Thank you for permission work on this update! V4 Beta testers: @AluminumHaste @JackFarmer Screenshots: Hotfix release: Should fix two minor issues: Newest Hotfix: Gdrive - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e_LHa4RdZ0a1AD3FhgLq7OwvBmWUchJZ/view?usp=sharing Onedrive - https://1drv.ms/u/s!AuwAFc1gTZzehn0z9PsAVEIH0iFn?e=Gj0p6O ( Some additional performance optimization to the forest and fixes to other items found by Biker and Aluminumhaste in another round of testing.) For those of you who are testing the Dev Builds ( 2.10 alpha ), here is a 2.10 compliant version: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xyPwDQjMQH1TAH98Vd29UUiB0Nki1-7j/view?usp=sharing