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@stgatilov, I've been looking into the stray marks associated with Stone 12 pt. Not much progress, because there's something strange going on. Any change I make to the metadata in fonts/english/stone/fontimage_12.dat (whether in the core or as an FM "/fonts/" override) is ignored. Whereas changes to the corresponding 24 pt .dat (whether in core or override) do show up in the nominally 12 pt subtitles (with either gui textscale of 0.24 or 0.25). Is there something in the engine code that is keeping this 12 pt .dat from being used? There are no warning about such at startup. Perhaps some engine hack left over from when there was a missing file?

If someone would make a modification of the mission statistics screen gui, with an extra button for looking at the completed objectives, is there a chance that this gets included in core?

In a few lists, TDM missions are presented sorted (or sortable) alphabetically: * In the mission downloader GUI * On the web page: https://www.thedarkmod.com/missions/ * On the wiki: https://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=Fan_Missions_for_The_Dark_Mod The Chicago Manual of Style (CMOS) recommends placing initial articles (The, A, An) at the end of the full title: "A Tale of Two Cities" would appear as "Tale of Two Cities, A". Titles do not include subtitles unless they are essential for identification. If a subtitle is included, the initial article should be placed at the end of the full title, not before the subtitle. (https://style.mla.org/articles-and-alphabetization/) I mentioned this in "0006339: Polishing menus: mission downloader" (https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6339), but I suggest following CMOS in all cases where titles are an entry in a list.

I think this is the crux of the problem in that there's no linkage from a .gui to an xdata item. What you need to be able to do is call a script from inside the gui and the script will read the xdata and populate the gui variables. Now theoretically there is a "runScript" command that is callable from inside guis but it doesn't currently seem to work in TDM. There's actually a feature request, 6164, to fix this. Maybe we should agitate to get this fixed.

With TDM 2.12, after the credits finished, the "Mission Complete" screen did not display. I found that the screen was black and I could hear my footsteps when I tried to move around. I think the reason for the mission not completing successfully was that the "Do not kill or harm allies" objective was never marked as "1 = STATE_COMPLETE" instead it was left as "0 = STATE_INCOMPLETE". Note, I didn't use noclip throughout the mission. Same as: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/18054-fan-mission-the-accountant-2-new-in-town-by-goldwell-20160509/&do=findComment&comment=458491

How about using TDM automation framework (and maybe pcem/qemu)? More info see: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/19828-automation-features-and-discussion/

We didn't make the holidays (such a busy time of year) so here's a New Year's gift, an unusual little mission. Window of Opportunity Recover an item for a regretful trader out in a wilderness setting, and discover more! Available within the in-game mission downloader or: Download: http://www.thedarkmo...ndetails/?id=79 Alternative: https://drive.google...WTMzQXZtMVFBSG8 Some unorthodox gameplay on regular/ghost difficulties. (Arachnophobes might prefer short mode...) Please expect to need your lantern in regular and ghost modes! Short ("easy") mode is a smaller map, so if you are looking for areas others reference below, or 100% of the loot, you'll need to play on another mode. I wanted to create my first mission before I became influenced by too many others' ideas, and limited myself to what has been done before. As such, this mission is not set in a city/town, and has some features that are likely to be provocative. There's a section some really like, which others don't, either way I kept it short to not last too long. That being said, I hope you do find it fun! :-) Special thanks to those who provided valuable testing and feedback: Goldwell, Kyyrma, plotzzz, 161803398874989, PPoe & Bikerdude (who also contributed a sound). (Please remember spoiler tags to not expose things meant to be discovered by playing.) Like so: [spoiler]secrets[/spoiler] If you are having trouble finding the main objective, here's what to pay attention to in the mission for hints: There is a spot it's possible to get stuck on the ground in the corner by the cliff/rockfall where there's a rope laying on the ground, please take care if you poke around there!

Hm, looking at the mainmenu_briefing.gui file it might actually be possible to make a gui with navigation buttons, make the navigation buttons move to a new page with possible graphics, but also list the second page of the xdata file. Because it does this: windowDef scrollDown { rect 292,390,57,27 background "guis/assets/briefing/nextpage" visible ("gui::ScrollDownVisible" == 1) onMouseEnter { set "cmd" "play sound/meta/menu/mnu_hover;"; } onAction { // Send the request to the script set "cmd" "play sound/meta/menu/mnu_select; briefing_scroll_down_request"; } } So you remove the scrolldown button and when you do the next page action, you activate: set "cmd" "play sound/meta/menu/mnu_select; briefing_scroll_down_request"; Edit: Actually you can also keep the normal navigation but include graphics, etc. and when you do the scroll down action, you can change the page, add new graphics, etc. and also move to the next xdata page. I think. But it doesn't seem like you can specify a certain xdata page.

Beta 11 Fix finished-on state auto-update was unreliable Slighty improve scanner title/author detect Tags are now named some whatever regular-version-looking thing to force GitHub to put the newest at the top

For gui's there is reloadGuis and for xdata there's reloadXData. @stgatilov could something like this be added for subtitles as well? Or does it already exist?

Yep I assumed it was all 16:9. The code can be modified so referenceAspect is no longer const. It could use 16:9 as default and for other aspect ratios perhaps forceAspectWidth/Height can be set on those screens and the referenceAspect would be calculated based on those values. I agree it would be nice to drop special images for different aspect ratios. I was able to change the spyglass & keyhole images to always use the 16:9 image and it worked nicely. The issue is just finding a way to have the black background continue outside the letterbox area so the game viewport is not leaking through. With the fullscreen changes I was hoping to find some general way of correcting the UI without having to change the content too much, ideally so mission creators wouldn't have to go back and change their content to support different aspect ratios. I did however hit a roadblock because it seems that loading screens and briefing screens are copypasted for every mission so this content may need to be patched anyway. If a whole pass on the GUI files is necessary anyway I would skip the fullscreen hack and aspectAware parameter and go with something else that makes sense.

@stgatilov, attached is a screen shot of what I'm calling the "sound source cue" or "sound source oval" directional indicator. Unlike the previous Photoshopped mockup, this is implemented as a prototype in gui script. It shows a cropped screenshot of the 3 stacked subtitle slots, with a red dot indicating the direction, respectively (from the bottom slot) left of player, straight in front of player, and straight behind player. Those locations are simply hard-coded by local float variables dot0_x, dot0_y, dot1_x, dot1_y, dot2_x, dot2_y. I need the engine to supply those as gui globals instead. (You can change the names as you wish). Once I have a 2.12dev update with those variables (and please, the verbosity enumeration too, that we talked about), then I'll do another pass to optimize the art and tweak the dot positioning and size. That's better done when dynamic dot movement is available. For the next go around, it might be sufficient if the engine just provided the direction as a unit vector, in which case the engine-side assert is: square_root(dot_x^^2 + dot_y^^2) = 1.0 Later, we could play around and see about encoding distance too. In which case the "=" in that assertion would be replaced by "<=". Do you think that "sound source cue" should be something the user can turn on or off as an option? If so, that's another gui global to pass, probably a cvar.

One way to fix it, is to override the tdm_objectives.gui file (in mission folder) and change the code from windowDef ObjectivesHolder to this: windowDef ObjectivesHolder { #define OBJ_FULL_WIDTH 500 #define OBJ_FULL_HEIGHT 370 #define OBJ_SCROLL_KEYBOARD 1 rect 30, 60, OBJ_FULL_WIDTH, OBJ_FULL_HEIGHT //backcolor 0.3,0.3,1,1 //for debugging #include "guis/tdm_objectives_core.gui" } Objectiveholder is the objective text, so changing that you can specify how the objectives outline on the background. It would be nice (in general) if there's a more elegant way than overriding this core file.

Here is the final release of The Wench, with Dragofer's Dec 9, 2023 sound file revisions (see bugtracker 6284), as included in TDM 2.12 beta3: testSubtitlesWenchFinal.pk4 The revisions correct a few mismatches between what was said and what the intended purpose was. The statistics are little changed. The testSubtitlesWenchFinal FM will run under beta 3, with the same GUI as testSubtitlesCynic. Details of Revisions There were no changes to the collection of .srt files. The changes affect only the .subs file (and what's in testSubtitlesWenchFinal's FM-specific sound shader). It is too much effort and time to revise the Excel spreadsheet, of early "v1" barks template form. Instead, if the reader wishes to do so, start with the WenchOriginalSubtitles.xlsx (available via the original Wench post), and apply the changes below. The total number of rows is unchanged.

The subtitles of The Cynic (aka Bernie) vocal set, are now available for eventual incorporation into TDM: testSubtitlesCynic.pk4 This male character is often snide or crabby. In addition to general barks, there are phrases for a guard of the city watch, and for a trader. Note for Integrators This release incorporates and supercedes the TDM 2.10 subtitle demo, provided by @Dragofer, with its version of tdm_ai_cynic.subs. Likewise, it obviates the need for the distribution's fm_test_subtitles_ai_cynic_dragofers_dozen.shdshd Statistics In file fm_root.subs there are 301 inlines, including: 40 with an explicit linebreak, intending 2 lines 261 without 23 of these have explicit duration extensions, as follows: 16 from 0.25 to 0.49, for 17 cps 7 capped at 0.50 seconds, for 17-20 cps none with more than 0.50 seconds, for 20 cps There are 12 SRTs, including: 10 with 2 messages 1 with 3 messages 1 with 4 messages Of the 27 total SRT messages, there are: 17 with an explicit linebreak, intending 2 lines 10 without In all, there are 313 voice clips with subtitles, showing 328 messages. Corresponding Excel File TheCynicSubtitles.xlsx This is based on Version 6 of the Excel Template for TDM bark subtitles. The "Script Subtitle" column contains Dragofer's original subtitles. About the GUI Like The Drunk, subtitle backing fields for The Cynic uses the "tabbed widget" design, with reduced main field heights, one of several design alternatives that were being discussed. For the sound source widget itself, it uses snatcher's white sector oval provided by beta3.

I believe the subtitle Stone font is currently scaled to 11.52 pts, instead of 12 pts. I have asked before whether that is the intended scaling, or inadvertent, but heard nothing. In tdm_subtitles_common.gui, there is: #define SUBTITLES_TEXT_SCALE 0.24 In TDM 2.11, it was: #define SUBTITLES_TEXT_SCALE 0.25 Where a scale of 1.0 represents 48 pts.

Gui language has full-blown support for preprocessor macros. In fact, it is done via the same exact code as in game scripts. If something does not work with them, it's either some custom settings of GUI lexer, or just the GUI language not understanding what you pass to it. In fact, C preprocessor is the only way to implement reusable code in GUI scripts. But in order to use it properly, you need to be an expert in C, with stuff like #include and include guards, ## -- concatenation and # -- stringization, and know about single expansion rule, etc. Just look at tdm_objectives_core.gui and tdm_subtitles_common.gui in the latest dev build, and you'll know what I mean, This is not pointer for certain. It is a very specific hack to link to variable specifically in Transition command. The rules regarding what is considered a string and what can be turned in to a link are not obvious and consistent, as well as the rules about when engine evaluates all the expressions/conditions. Yes, macros don't have namespaces, so you should always prefix your stuff with your domain, or/and undef your macros when they are not needed. Actually, the GUI windows have no namespaces either, so you can get name collision here just as easily. You need a lot of discipline (like in pure C programming) in order to work with large codebase in D3 GUI. Even with the recent 2.11 improvements which add previously nonexistent error reporting. According to the code, dollar only works in Set and Transition right now. This is not a macro at all. Here you define a custom window register. And you reference it only in some locations, as far as I remember. They probably ignored the advanced GUI scripting because it did not work... or the vice versa: they did not use it, thus it did not work Doom 3 code had so many bugs in GUI handling, and lack of any error reporting. I am impressed that TDM guys managed to implement such a complicated main menu with this mess and maintain it for years. As for C preprocessor, I don't know. Maybe they did not reuse any of their GUI code, simply copypasted it around without any worries about future maintenance.

I have not read your wiki about the gui scripting, so sorry if this was already known by you and talked about, but if not, imo is always good to know that gui scripting language, can do a little more than what idSoftware used and talked about. Unless i failed to see where idSoftware talked about this stuff. I discovered this by accident, when I tried a few stuff that Doom Script supports, to see if they worked with gui scripting and they did. For example the gui language, other than #include also supports #define, just like Doom Script, thou in a more limited way, so you can do basic text substitution using #define like: #define COLOR_WHITE 1,1,1,1 #define WIND_HEIGHT 480 #define WIND_WIDTH 640 or more complex #define RECT_SIZE ((WIND_HEIGHT/2)-(320/2)),((WIND_WIDTH/2)-(240/2)),320,240 then used as: rect RECT_SIZE ----------- It also has basic support for pointers! using $ sign, example: transition "start_white::matcolor" "$Desktop::COLOR_WHITE" "$Desktop::COLOR_BLUE_07" "1000"; and other capabilities that I may be forgetting, have not messed with gui scripting for ages now. Thou i remember macro and pointers support was not free of problems, there's some idiocentricities with this stuff, for example macros using #define and defined in the global space, meaning outside the main desktop windowdef or any other windowdef, work globally and are accessible directly by name (just like in Doom script), but seem to work, only in some things, like "rect", "backcolor" and others but not in transitions, I remember having trouble with those, the only thing that worked well for this ones, was defining the "macro" in another way, like this and inside the main desktop windowdef: definevec4 "COLOR_WHITE" 1,1,1,1 Despite #define COLOR_WHITE 1,1,1,1 and definevec4 "COLOR_WHITE" 1,1,1,1 looking similar and apparently do the same thing, behind the scenes they seem to be handled totally differently. I don't claim to have tested this macro stuff very deeply but imo has potencial to make gui scripting life easier, but caution in the few tests I made, transitions using macros, were the most unstable GUI feature, they work the best inputting values directly, specially because those are separated by spaces not commas. Thou using pointers like I show above, even using colors defined using commas worked, sometimes... I think this, spaces versus commas, most be why macros and pointers were mostly ignored by idSoftware, most of their GUI's only use a "safe" subset of the GUI script language and I unless I missed it, I never saw #define being used in any of their gui's. But they do work in the basic tests I made, Gui scripters just need to be aware of the limitations.

If the "mission fails as soon as stealth score turns non-zero," that would not be good for ghost players. They might need to find out "how" they failed and experiment to avoid alerting guards. They might need to take those score points as a "bust". They might need to take those score points to complete an objective. Then, mission authors would need to encode exceptions into their missions, which would be a lot of work (if they decide to do it at all). However, part of what makes ghosting challenging and fun is when mission authors do not create their missions with ghosting in mind. Please see: Official Ghosting Rules: https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148523 Writing code for these rules would be a huge undertaking. Ghost Rules Discussion: https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148487 Creating an official mode could alienate these dedicated ghost players, because it would clash with what is considered ghosting in the community. Including the Stealth Stat Tool mod in the official release would be more useful. Or, making the audible alert states of guards quick and easy to recognize could help as well. For these reasons, I don't agree with an official "Ghost" mode. If the dev team were to do it, we should consult with @Klatremus so we get it 100% correct or not pursue it at all. (This ghosting bit should probably be in its own thread.)

Changelog of 2.11 development: beta211-08 (rev 16770-10264) * Fixed crash when minimizing TDM on Windows (post). * Added HD carpets (thread). * Fixed player getting delayed and lower damage on high fall ending with mantle (6231). * Removed wrong LOD stage in atdm:env_ragdoll_commoner_female. * Reverted addition of default "map of" inventory item. * Made it easier for modders to substitute invgrid parchment background (6241). beta211-07 (rev 16758-10258) * Fixed extinguished candles stim-lighting each other on game start (6223). * Added menu settings for sheathe toggle, and changed default (6232 thread). * Saint Lucia mission improvements (thread). * Fixed GUI warnings in New Job. * Renamed "New Missions" to "Missions List" in main menu (6230). * Fixed initial difficulty highlight on Objectives screen (6229). * Fixed Objectives title slightly cut off on low text scale (6234). * Added mansion01 window assets (6235). * Fixed normal map of turquoise_uneven (6222). * Allow user to tweak pm_noclipspeed (6237). beta211-06 (rev 16739-10248) * Saint Lucia mission improvements (thread). * Fixed rare crash during melee combat (6225). * Fixed func_peek crash on Linux (5553). * Fixed bottle crash in "Pearls and Swine" (6227). * Fixed textures of cheapbeermug (post). * Fixed warnings in book_ornate_gothic readables (post). * Fixed minor issue in broad phase of collision detection. beta211-05 (rev 16727-10239) * Fixed rare NaN blocks from volumetric lights on AMD driver (post). * Fixed rare thin holes in geometry on low "render scale". * Fixed major performance regression in "r_shadowMapSinglePass 1" mode. * Added subtitles to New Job mission (5914). * Fixed subtitles hidden during CameraView type of cutscene (6197). * Fixed last character of subtitles occasionally clipped away (5914). * Fixed missed alert count if player hides into darkness during guard's combat startup (6211). * Added blueprint assets by Dram. * Fixed UV map in bwindow01_frame model (6217). * Allow female guards to sleep on floor (6208). * Dmap messages about PlanarGraph and EarCut now include 3D world position. * Some minor rounding changes in text placement in GUI. * Restored value of pm_bobup from 2.10. beta211-04 (rev 16714-10226) * Fixed wrong lightgem values briefly after game load/start (6088). * Fixed alert counter for civilians immediate alert (5286). * Some main menu text made translatable (2960). * New assets: Precursor "ancient" loot by Kingsal, galleon wreck, gothic cabinet, grandfather clock with new clock scriptobject, pagan menir (standing stone statue), pair of large marble lion statues, feather duster prop * Make sure all newly created door entities have the right rotate value set (5051) * Fix missing normalmap for audiograph, fixed shadowmesh for armchair_victorian_02.ase * Various small asset fixes (missing faces in LOD stage of boiler02_med.lwo, mangled stairs in galleon.lwo, gaps in spade models, normals on desk2 and desk3 models, UV issues on various other models) (3771). * Improved resolution for shield_goldarms texture (4894). * Added "looping" keyword to looping clock ticking sounds. * Exclude female pagan materials from release builds. beta211-03 (rev 16689-10219) * Avoid copying of large array on AMD, fixing a terrible performance regression (thread). * Enabled Frontend Acceleration = r_useParallelAddModels by default. * Fixed error when same decl file exists packed and unpacked with different case (post). * Don't crash TDM if automation port is occupied: warn, retry, and disable instead (thread). * New Job: the mission is no longer unfinishable if you guess the safe combination without visiting the Lord's room + visportal fixes. * Ambient world prefab: expanded light radius from 1K to 10K. * Added currency pack, cobblestone pack, furniture pack and tiling treasure hoard texture * Added wall mounted locks, improved sofa and leather ottoman * Added star wallpaper * Block CMake build without setting build type (post), fixed CMake + MSVC build. beta211-02 (rev 16670-10208) * Fixed bugs with counting number of alerts (5286, 6186). * Fixed bugs in in-game and savegame screenshots (link). * Disable GL debug groups to fix performance on some AMD drivers. * Added a lot of new assets from Epifire's missions (6188). * Added and refactored locks/safes by Obsttorte, Epifire, Dragofer. * Added book skins by Wellingtoncrab. * Fixed missing wastebasket material in Hazard Pay (link). * Support r_skipAmbient and r_skipInteractions in new backend. * Added spawnarg call_used_action_script on frobable movers. * Fixed definitions of ambient lights with normal-dependent color (6090). * Fixed KOBoxSize not being restored for the sake of blackjack. beta211-01 (rev 16656-10189) * Many improvements in new volumetric lights implementation + added cvars (5850, thread). * r_softShadowsMipmaps: fixed render scale, fixed screenshots. * Faster shadow volume generation with BVH, more cvars and tweaking (5886). * Optimized stencil shadows: turbo shadow vertices are static on GPU. * Improved solidness / visibility logic on models (6175). * Added spawnargs allow_idle_anims and allow_random_headturning. * Avoid sound amplification due to negative sound loss spawnarg (5913). * Fixed weird glitch on game load (6149). * Removed one frame of latency from "com_smp 0" mode (5875). dev16650-10157 * Volumetric lights reimplemented: dither pattern removed, performance improved (5850). * Added audiograph entity and assets. * Fixed shader compilation with r_softShadowsMipmaps on some Linux AMD GPUs (post). * Fixed bug in new frobstage_xxx material macros (5427). * Massive frobstages refactoring in materials: new macros are used now (5427). * Trace model: limits increased and refactoring (5887). * Massive cleaning of prefabs, automaton station script fix (6013). * Fixed rotten_paper_nancy_hand GUI in world view. * Perfume bottle model uses smooth shading, lampion skin fixes. * Some cleanup: idRenderMatrix memory alignment, face planes in SEED model clone, Elbrus FFmpeg compile fix, old shaders disabled. dev16629-10139 * Added implicit generation of frobstages and simple customization macros (5427, thread). * Added support for OBJ models (thread). * Fixed chandelier_gas4 model (6125), improved wooden chest prefab sounds (4206). * Optimized silhouette preprocessing during model loading. dev16625-10132 * "Light from above" behavior applies only to lights of ambient_world type (6090). * Major changes in normal-dependent ambient shading (6090). * Optimized FixGlobalTJunctions in dmap, restored vertex grid snapping (6085). * Updated "Tears of Saint Lucia" mission with EFX and other fixes (thread). * Replaced algorithm for assigning shadow maps resolution. * Fixed a brief wrong frame with X-ray (6109). * Added getCurInvItemCount script function (6096). * Fixed old rendering backend. * Slightly better culling due to fixed depth bounds computation. * Added textures/darkmod/window/metal_irregularpanes_moonlit_bright (6119). dev16617-10107 * Major changes in ambient/interaction shaders for more consistency (5828, thread). * Major changes in blackjack knockout behavior (4289 thread). * Optimized stencil shadows with antialiasing by using scissors (5851). * Stencil shadow shadows tile-based culling optimization (6076 thread). * Added wiki article (link) about Tracy timeline profiler; thread names fix, print version. * More asset changes to fix warnings, added "load all assets" test maps (6019). * Added teleportArea command, which allows to find area by number (6083). * Refactored ambient interaction shader, deleted unused ambientRimColor (5828). * Fixed overflow crash in idAASBuild::GetFaceForPortal. * Enabled GL debug groups by default, fixed borderless FBO mismatch warnings. * Added transparent grate textures (6089). * Fixed textures/common/mirror. Known issues: * ambientCubicMap broken yet, will be restored in future (6090). * Visual look has changed, mostly with stronger specular. dev16599-10071 * Fixed startup error on: Night to Remember, Cole Hurst 1 Eaton (5845). * Shadow maps refactoring: now volumetrics work if stencil shadows are selected (5880, post). * Fixed SSAO on new AMD driver (post). * Ensured that mission decls silently override same-named core decls (5766). * Fixed order of operations in expressions in materials and GUI scripts (6026). * GUI scripts: do not block autoupdate for window registers referenced in scripts; fixed vector component indexing, allow expressions on the right side of Set command (6028, thread). * Major refactor of objectives GUI: checkboxes no longer empty on failure screen (5852). * Added pm_mantle_tilt_mod cvar to tone down mantle movements. * Fixed noclip while shouldering a body (5244). * Fixed textures/skies/cubeSky material (5218). * Fixed items frobability in cabinet prefabs (6025). * Hundreds of fixes for core asset issues that were detected by a new systematic procedure. There should be far fewer broken assets and console warnings. Ongoing process (6019). * testmap command no longer sets developer mode, saving us from some warnings. * Started refactoring of interaction shaders (5828). dev16574-10036 * Add Dragofer's fully mapped ship prefabs, vintage lamps set, barouche carriage and camgoyle sentry turret with power source (4687) * Added BVH-based interaction culling for large meshes (5886, thread). * Added warnings for wrong GUI code, fixed them in core GUI (5869, thread). * Fixed leaning against non-axis-aligned door (5899). * Fixed skin of non-rotating security camera (6004). * Tweaked inlining and optimization, new debug builds Fast/Editable. * Disabled multiple rendercopies for warping materials (post). * Created materials for previously unreferenced textures, now available for use (5563, 5178) * Fixed 50 skin-related, auto-detected bugs that were generating console warnings (6019) * Female mage legs are now textured (5994) * Adjusted LOD offsets for atdm:nature_pine to avoid popping (3987) * Wooden torches now have burning/burnt tops (1293) * tdm_grass_clump and tdm_wildgrass particles no longer render fullbright (5689) * Added inclusion guards to all core script files (4427) * small_round_furnace_openable.pfb fixed with regards to model gaps and door origin (6018) * Fixed underwater_bubblesbubbles particle (5198) * Fixed burnt log end cap texture alignment (4896) * Added unlit and moonlit versions of textures/darkmod/window/ornate/round_spokes01 (5857) * Added specularmap to rivet_strip01 textures (5999) * Restored plain_robes skin for mages, pagan_orb_effect particle, fix windows in tudor building4 etc. (5690) * Fixed models that made use of missing materials (4390) * Diffusemap for wallpaper_ornamental_01_red now matches its normalmap (4798) * Hardwood materials now use wooden footstep sounds (4988) * Fixed skins for 6-candle chandeliers and nails (5900, 5217) * All fence_spike_01_tall models are now solid (6010) * Fixed typo in shouldered manbeast name (5877) dev16519-9985 * Now AIs think once per frame on low FPS when several game tics are modelled (5992). * More responsive crouch toggle (5973, thread). * Added "absence_alert_increase" as correct implementation of "absence_alert" (5987). * Allow drawing up to 4 postprocessing surfaces, as long as draw order is right (thread). * Missions can be sorted by date in in-game mission downloader. * Added getAnimRate/setAnimRate script events (540). * Fixed lean-peeking sound not always stopping when player goes away from door (5899). * Fixed wrong sounds of func_fracture after save/load (5363). * Fixed scorch and smear01 decals (5970). * Fixed fx/sparks effect, set "triggered 1" for newly added effects (5034). * Fixed startup image/sound warnings on some AIs (5993). * Fixed joints warnings on zombies (5466). * Fixed "screw" skin not showing in DR on appropriate models (5217). * Fixed for frobability in kitchen_cupboard_openable.pfb (5989). * Added editor images for panel_halfcircle_walnut and panel_vase_polished_walnut. * Bumped maximum number of edges to 1 million for stencil shadows, added overflow warning. * Fixed debug cvars tdm_ai_opt_forceopt and tdm_ai_opt_forcedormant 5992). * Tiny optimization: memcpy is now using streaming stores only at vertex cache. * Removed support of bindless textures (5891). * Extracted tdm_package and removed tdm_update source code (5076). dev16498-9944 * Updated Tracy library, hopefully fixed running on Windows 7 (post). * Fixed crash on loading save done while elemental is dying (5845). * Implemented multiloot on holding frob button (5984). * Crouched state does not affect player speed on ladder/rope (5961). * Crouch-toggle takes effect on keydown rather than release (5973). * Added setviewpos to screenshot filename (5819). * Show estimate for total number of pickpockets on end-mission screen (5678). * In-game downloader: show asterisk/sharp at the beginning (5842). * Trigger entities now work on AI which stands still (5319). * Added setObjectiveNotification, which allows to change objective silently (5967). * Added script functions to add/remove frob peers (5976). * AIs notice destroyed fracture entities (5978). * Enabled frobhelper by default (post). * Fixed some architecture skins by Nort. * Fix graffiti materials (5930). * Now default quicksave/quickload are F5/F9 (post). * Minor optimizations: SSE in idRenderMatrix, cache "drunk" spawnarg. * Looped bind does not cause crash, although behavior is undefined (post). Known problems: * Night to Remember, Cole Hurst 1 Eaton: cannot start missions due to hard error. * Painter's Wife: killing elemental should cause hard error (mission fixed). dev16487-9919 * Fixed saving/loading JPEG crash on Linux (5881). * Fixed wrong sound on strafe right (5554). * Major refactoring and optimization on LOD system, LOD entities no longer "think" (5944). * Improved time distribution of stims and LOD checks for more solid performance. * Optimized creation/destruction of script threads. * Optimized idClip = broad phase collision detection (5954). * Reduced size of Linux executable back from 24 MB to 18 MB by removing globals. * Now in-game downloader prints URL of download to game console. Known problems: * Won't boot on Windows 7 dev16485-9903 * Optimized iteration over active entities by switching from linked list to array. * Fixed bow sometimes not working on savegame load (5928). * Allow headbob cvar changes to persist between sessions (post). * Player speed modifiers (like pm_runmod) are no longer archived (post). * Applied Clang build fixes by @Partmedia (post). * Fixed "testVideo withAudio" command. * Fixed unbounded brush AAS warning by trying to process each edge of brush once (5648). * Use double precision for winding splits in dmap and collision. * Reworked FFmpeg player to not use deprecated functions, fixed protocol warning (5881). * Fixed 2GB overflow in printMemInfo. Known problems: * Won't boot on Windows 7 * JPEG saving and loading crashes on Linux. Setting r_screenshot_format to "png" may help... dev16481-9881 * Updated Visual C++ from 2017 to 2022, build game and idlib as on VC project (5820). * Updated all third-party libraries (5881). * Render scale does not affect main menu GUI. * Optimized compass rendering: don't copy depth buffer. * Fixed debug polygons not showing up. * Don't draw debug lines in subviews. * Don't open game console by tilde if com_allowConsole is 0 on Linux (post). * Moving GUI slider with mouse now results in discrete increments. * Restored code for 16-bit colors (via r_fboColorBits cvar only). * Game console bottom line gets thinner on smaller console font. * Added tuneDown command to quickly ender very low graphics mode. * Added r_fboScaling cvar which allows to change Render scale filtering to nearest. * Avoid purging/reloading all images on Alt+Tabbing in Windows. Known problems: * Won't boot on Windows 7 Changelog of earlier versions can be found here.

A FM has the "map_of_icon.tga" file, not core. If you look at the file contents of FM pk4 files, you'll see that some missions have several different "map_ofX" files. It looks like the default was "map_of_icon.tga" and if the FM author wanted to override that or have more maps, they would define it in their FM. For example, "Behind Closed Doors" uses a "map_of_icon.tga" file. However, it is not affected by this, because it defines the "atdm:map_of" "inv_icon" as "guis/assets/game_maps/map_of_icon.tga" in its "def/custom.def" file. TDM 2.10 defines "atdm:map_of" as: entityDef atdm:map_of { "inherit" "atdm:map_base" "editor_usage" "game map of terrain for player" // THIS ONLY SHOWS IN ENTITY INSPECTOR "inv_name" "#str_02203" // Map - SHOWS IN PLAYER'S INVENTORY. "inv_icon" "guis/assets/game_maps/map_of_icon.tga" "gui" "guis/map_of.gui" } TDM 2.11 defines "atdm:map_of" as: entityDef atdm:map_of { "inherit" "atdm:map_base" "editor_usage" "game map of terrain for player" // THIS ONLY SHOWS IN ENTITY INSPECTOR "inv_name" "#str_02203" // Map - SHOWS IN PLAYER'S INVENTORY. "inv_icon" "guis/assets/game_maps/map_of" "gui" "guis/map_of.gui" } As another example, Iris has two "map_of" maps that are not affected, because it overrode "atdm:map_of" and defined "atdm:map_ofhollowbrook". entityDef atdm:map_of { "inherit" "atdm:map_base" "editor_usage" "game map of terrain for player" // THIS ONLY SHOWS IN ENTITY INSPECTOR "inv_name" "Map" // SHOWS IN PLAYER'S INVENTORY. "inv_icon" "guis/assets/game_maps/map_of_icon.tga" "gui" "guis/map_of.gui" } entityDef atdm:map_ofhollowbrook { "inherit" "atdm:map_base" "editor_usage" "game map of terrain for player" // THIS ONLY SHOWS IN ENTITY INSPECTOR "inv_name" "Map" // SHOWS IN PLAYER'S INVENTORY. "inv_icon" "guis/assets/game_maps/map_ofhollowbrook_icon.tga" "gui" "guis/map_ofhollowbrook.gui" } So, it looks like any FM that has not overridden the default "atdm:map_of" will show a black square as its map when using TDM 2.11. Hope that helps with understanding this!

Changelog of 2.11 development: beta211-08 (rev 16770-10264) * Fixed crash when minimizing TDM on Windows (post). * Added HD carpets (thread). * Fixed player getting delayed and lower damage on high fall ending with mantle (6231). * Removed wrong LOD stage in atdm:env_ragdoll_commoner_female. * Reverted addition of default "map of" inventory item. * Made it easier for modders to substitute invgrid parchment background (6241). beta211-07 (rev 16758-10258) * Fixed extinguished candles stim-lighting each other on game start (6223). * Added menu settings for sheathe toggle, and changed default (6232 thread). * Saint Lucia mission improvements (thread). * Fixed GUI warnings in New Job. * Renamed "New Missions" to "Missions List" in main menu (6230). * Fixed initial difficulty highlight on Objectives screen (6229). * Fixed Objectives title slightly cut off on low text scale (6234). * Added mansion01 window assets (6235). * Fixed normal map of turquoise_uneven (6222). * Allow user to tweak pm_noclipspeed (6237). beta211-06 (rev 16739-10248) * Saint Lucia mission improvements (thread). * Fixed rare crash during melee combat (6225). * Fixed func_peek crash on Linux (5553). * Fixed bottle crash in "Pearls and Swine" (6227). * Fixed textures of cheapbeermug (post). * Fixed warnings in book_ornate_gothic readables (post). * Fixed minor issue in broad phase of collision detection. beta211-05 (rev 16727-10239) * Fixed rare NaN blocks from volumetric lights on AMD driver (post). * Fixed rare thin holes in geometry on low "render scale". * Fixed major performance regression in "r_shadowMapSinglePass 1" mode. * Added subtitles to New Job mission (5914). * Fixed subtitles hidden during CameraView type of cutscene (6197). * Fixed last character of subtitles occasionally clipped away (5914). * Fixed missed alert count if player hides into darkness during guard's combat startup (6211). * Added blueprint assets by Dram. * Fixed UV map in bwindow01_frame model (6217). * Allow female guards to sleep on floor (6208). * Dmap messages about PlanarGraph and EarCut now include 3D world position. * Some minor rounding changes in text placement in GUI. * Restored value of pm_bobup from 2.10. beta211-04 (rev 16714-10226) * Fixed wrong lightgem values briefly after game load/start (6088). * Fixed alert counter for civilians immediate alert (5286). * Some main menu text made translatable (2960). * New assets: Precursor "ancient" loot by Kingsal, galleon wreck, gothic cabinet, grandfather clock with new clock scriptobject, pagan menir (standing stone statue), pair of large marble lion statues, feather duster prop * Make sure all newly created door entities have the right rotate value set (5051) * Fix missing normalmap for audiograph, fixed shadowmesh for armchair_victorian_02.ase * Various small asset fixes (missing faces in LOD stage of boiler02_med.lwo, mangled stairs in galleon.lwo, gaps in spade models, normals on desk2 and desk3 models, UV issues on various other models) (3771). * Improved resolution for shield_goldarms texture (4894). * Added "looping" keyword to looping clock ticking sounds. * Exclude female pagan materials from release builds. beta211-03 (rev 16689-10219) * Avoid copying of large array on AMD, fixing a terrible performance regression (thread). * Enabled Frontend Acceleration = r_useParallelAddModels by default. * Fixed error when same decl file exists packed and unpacked with different case (post). * Don't crash TDM if automation port is occupied: warn, retry, and disable instead (thread). * New Job: the mission is no longer unfinishable if you guess the safe combination without visiting the Lord's room + visportal fixes. * Ambient world prefab: expanded light radius from 1K to 10K. * Added currency pack, cobblestone pack, furniture pack and tiling treasure hoard texture * Added wall mounted locks, improved sofa and leather ottoman * Added star wallpaper * Block CMake build without setting build type (post), fixed CMake + MSVC build. beta211-02 (rev 16670-10208) * Fixed bugs with counting number of alerts (5286, 6186). * Fixed bugs in in-game and savegame screenshots (link). * Disable GL debug groups to fix performance on some AMD drivers. * Added a lot of new assets from Epifire's missions (6188). * Added and refactored locks/safes by Obsttorte, Epifire, Dragofer. * Added book skins by Wellingtoncrab. * Fixed missing wastebasket material in Hazard Pay (link). * Support r_skipAmbient and r_skipInteractions in new backend. * Added spawnarg call_used_action_script on frobable movers. * Fixed definitions of ambient lights with normal-dependent color (6090). * Fixed KOBoxSize not being restored for the sake of blackjack. beta211-01 (rev 16656-10189) * Many improvements in new volumetric lights implementation + added cvars (5850, thread). * r_softShadowsMipmaps: fixed render scale, fixed screenshots. * Faster shadow volume generation with BVH, more cvars and tweaking (5886). * Optimized stencil shadows: turbo shadow vertices are static on GPU. * Improved solidness / visibility logic on models (6175). * Added spawnargs allow_idle_anims and allow_random_headturning. * Avoid sound amplification due to negative sound loss spawnarg (5913). * Fixed weird glitch on game load (6149). * Removed one frame of latency from "com_smp 0" mode (5875). dev16650-10157 * Volumetric lights reimplemented: dither pattern removed, performance improved (5850). * Added audiograph entity and assets. * Fixed shader compilation with r_softShadowsMipmaps on some Linux AMD GPUs (post). * Fixed bug in new frobstage_xxx material macros (5427). * Massive frobstages refactoring in materials: new macros are used now (5427). * Trace model: limits increased and refactoring (5887). * Massive cleaning of prefabs, automaton station script fix (6013). * Fixed rotten_paper_nancy_hand GUI in world view. * Perfume bottle model uses smooth shading, lampion skin fixes. * Some cleanup: idRenderMatrix memory alignment, face planes in SEED model clone, Elbrus FFmpeg compile fix, old shaders disabled. dev16629-10139 * Added implicit generation of frobstages and simple customization macros (5427, thread). * Added support for OBJ models (thread). * Fixed chandelier_gas4 model (6125), improved wooden chest prefab sounds (4206). * Optimized silhouette preprocessing during model loading. dev16625-10132 * "Light from above" behavior applies only to lights of ambient_world type (6090). * Major changes in normal-dependent ambient shading (6090). * Optimized FixGlobalTJunctions in dmap, restored vertex grid snapping (6085). * Updated "Tears of Saint Lucia" mission with EFX and other fixes (thread). * Replaced algorithm for assigning shadow maps resolution. * Fixed a brief wrong frame with X-ray (6109). * Added getCurInvItemCount script function (6096). * Fixed old rendering backend. * Slightly better culling due to fixed depth bounds computation. * Added textures/darkmod/window/metal_irregularpanes_moonlit_bright (6119). dev16617-10107 * Major changes in ambient/interaction shaders for more consistency (5828, thread). * Major changes in blackjack knockout behavior (4289 thread). * Optimized stencil shadows with antialiasing by using scissors (5851). * Stencil shadow shadows tile-based culling optimization (6076 thread). * Added wiki article (link) about Tracy timeline profiler; thread names fix, print version. * More asset changes to fix warnings, added "load all assets" test maps (6019). * Added teleportArea command, which allows to find area by number (6083). * Refactored ambient interaction shader, deleted unused ambientRimColor (5828). * Fixed overflow crash in idAASBuild::GetFaceForPortal. * Enabled GL debug groups by default, fixed borderless FBO mismatch warnings. * Added transparent grate textures (6089). * Fixed textures/common/mirror. Known issues: * ambientCubicMap broken yet, will be restored in future (6090). * Visual look has changed, mostly with stronger specular. dev16599-10071 * Fixed startup error on: Night to Remember, Cole Hurst 1 Eaton (5845). * Shadow maps refactoring: now volumetrics work if stencil shadows are selected (5880, post). * Fixed SSAO on new AMD driver (post). * Ensured that mission decls silently override same-named core decls (5766). * Fixed order of operations in expressions in materials and GUI scripts (6026). * GUI scripts: do not block autoupdate for window registers referenced in scripts; fixed vector component indexing, allow expressions on the right side of Set command (6028, thread). * Major refactor of objectives GUI: checkboxes no longer empty on failure screen (5852). * Added pm_mantle_tilt_mod cvar to tone down mantle movements. * Fixed noclip while shouldering a body (5244). * Fixed textures/skies/cubeSky material (5218). * Fixed items frobability in cabinet prefabs (6025). * Hundreds of fixes for core asset issues that were detected by a new systematic procedure. There should be far fewer broken assets and console warnings. Ongoing process (6019). * testmap command no longer sets developer mode, saving us from some warnings. * Started refactoring of interaction shaders (5828). dev16574-10036 * Add Dragofer's fully mapped ship prefabs, vintage lamps set, barouche carriage and camgoyle sentry turret with power source (4687) * Added BVH-based interaction culling for large meshes (5886, thread). * Added warnings for wrong GUI code, fixed them in core GUI (5869, thread). * Fixed leaning against non-axis-aligned door (5899). * Fixed skin of non-rotating security camera (6004). * Tweaked inlining and optimization, new debug builds Fast/Editable. * Disabled multiple rendercopies for warping materials (post). * Created materials for previously unreferenced textures, now available for use (5563, 5178) * Fixed 50 skin-related, auto-detected bugs that were generating console warnings (6019) * Female mage legs are now textured (5994) * Adjusted LOD offsets for atdm:nature_pine to avoid popping (3987) * Wooden torches now have burning/burnt tops (1293) * tdm_grass_clump and tdm_wildgrass particles no longer render fullbright (5689) * Added inclusion guards to all core script files (4427) * small_round_furnace_openable.pfb fixed with regards to model gaps and door origin (6018) * Fixed underwater_bubblesbubbles particle (5198) * Fixed burnt log end cap texture alignment (4896) * Added unlit and moonlit versions of textures/darkmod/window/ornate/round_spokes01 (5857) * Added specularmap to rivet_strip01 textures (5999) * Restored plain_robes skin for mages, pagan_orb_effect particle, fix windows in tudor building4 etc. (5690) * Fixed models that made use of missing materials (4390) * Diffusemap for wallpaper_ornamental_01_red now matches its normalmap (4798) * Hardwood materials now use wooden footstep sounds (4988) * Fixed skins for 6-candle chandeliers and nails (5900, 5217) * All fence_spike_01_tall models are now solid (6010) * Fixed typo in shouldered manbeast name (5877) dev16519-9985 * Now AIs think once per frame on low FPS when several game tics are modelled (5992). * More responsive crouch toggle (5973, thread). * Added "absence_alert_increase" as correct implementation of "absence_alert" (5987). * Allow drawing up to 4 postprocessing surfaces, as long as draw order is right (thread). * Missions can be sorted by date in in-game mission downloader. * Added getAnimRate/setAnimRate script events (540). * Fixed lean-peeking sound not always stopping when player goes away from door (5899). * Fixed wrong sounds of func_fracture after save/load (5363). * Fixed scorch and smear01 decals (5970). * Fixed fx/sparks effect, set "triggered 1" for newly added effects (5034). * Fixed startup image/sound warnings on some AIs (5993). * Fixed joints warnings on zombies (5466). * Fixed "screw" skin not showing in DR on appropriate models (5217). * Fixed for frobability in kitchen_cupboard_openable.pfb (5989). * Added editor images for panel_halfcircle_walnut and panel_vase_polished_walnut. * Bumped maximum number of edges to 1 million for stencil shadows, added overflow warning. * Fixed debug cvars tdm_ai_opt_forceopt and tdm_ai_opt_forcedormant 5992). * Tiny optimization: memcpy is now using streaming stores only at vertex cache. * Removed support of bindless textures (5891). * Extracted tdm_package and removed tdm_update source code (5076). dev16498-9944 * Updated Tracy library, hopefully fixed running on Windows 7 (post). * Fixed crash on loading save done while elemental is dying (5845). * Implemented multiloot on holding frob button (5984). * Crouched state does not affect player speed on ladder/rope (5961). * Crouch-toggle takes effect on keydown rather than release (5973). * Added setviewpos to screenshot filename (5819). * Show estimate for total number of pickpockets on end-mission screen (5678). * In-game downloader: show asterisk/sharp at the beginning (5842). * Trigger entities now work on AI which stands still (5319). * Added setObjectiveNotification, which allows to change objective silently (5967). * Added script functions to add/remove frob peers (5976). * AIs notice destroyed fracture entities (5978). * Enabled frobhelper by default (post). * Fixed some architecture skins by Nort. * Fix graffiti materials (5930). * Now default quicksave/quickload are F5/F9 (post). * Minor optimizations: SSE in idRenderMatrix, cache "drunk" spawnarg. * Looped bind does not cause crash, although behavior is undefined (post). Known problems: * Night to Remember, Cole Hurst 1 Eaton: cannot start missions due to hard error. * Painter's Wife: killing elemental should cause hard error (mission fixed). dev16487-9919 * Fixed saving/loading JPEG crash on Linux (5881). * Fixed wrong sound on strafe right (5554). * Major refactoring and optimization on LOD system, LOD entities no longer "think" (5944). * Improved time distribution of stims and LOD checks for more solid performance. * Optimized creation/destruction of script threads. * Optimized idClip = broad phase collision detection (5954). * Reduced size of Linux executable back from 24 MB to 18 MB by removing globals. * Now in-game downloader prints URL of download to game console. Known problems: * Won't boot on Windows 7 dev16485-9903 * Optimized iteration over active entities by switching from linked list to array. * Fixed bow sometimes not working on savegame load (5928). * Allow headbob cvar changes to persist between sessions (post). * Player speed modifiers (like pm_runmod) are no longer archived (post). * Applied Clang build fixes by @Partmedia (post). * Fixed "testVideo withAudio" command. * Fixed unbounded brush AAS warning by trying to process each edge of brush once (5648). * Use double precision for winding splits in dmap and collision. * Reworked FFmpeg player to not use deprecated functions, fixed protocol warning (5881). * Fixed 2GB overflow in printMemInfo. Known problems: * Won't boot on Windows 7 * JPEG saving and loading crashes on Linux. Setting r_screenshot_format to "png" may help... dev16481-9881 * Updated Visual C++ from 2017 to 2022, build game and idlib as on VC project (5820). * Updated all third-party libraries (5881). * Render scale does not affect main menu GUI. * Optimized compass rendering: don't copy depth buffer. * Fixed debug polygons not showing up. * Don't draw debug lines in subviews. * Don't open game console by tilde if com_allowConsole is 0 on Linux (post). * Moving GUI slider with mouse now results in discrete increments. * Restored code for 16-bit colors (via r_fboColorBits cvar only). * Game console bottom line gets thinner on smaller console font. * Added tuneDown command to quickly ender very low graphics mode. * Added r_fboScaling cvar which allows to change Render scale filtering to nearest. * Avoid purging/reloading all images on Alt+Tabbing in Windows. Known problems: * Won't boot on Windows 7 Changelog of earlier versions can be found here.

To cater to both audiences. I mentioned LibreGameWiki as one example. nbohr1more mentioned other uses. Explicitly allowing reuse and spread will help TDM reach a wider audience and would hopefully attract more volunteers. More volunteers which can help improve both TDM versions. There are several benefits for a project of being in the Debian repo. One is that TDM Debian-users can report defects on any package directly to Debian (no need to register on separate forums). Debian may then fix the issue themselves (in their "TDM-libre" package) and will offer the patch upstream to TDM, who can then choose to accept or reject the patch. I envision "TDM-libre" to have the same capability of downloading any mission as regular TDM. The only difference is that "TDM-libre" would come packaged with the regular engine (which is GPL+BSD) and an included mission that has libre media/gamedata. When I play TDM by myself, I want the unlimited-play and can accept commercial restrictions. But if I were to promote it somewhere, or charge for a stream when playing online, or make a video, I would want a version without commercial restrictions (and can temporarily accept limited-play) to make sure I don't violate anyone's copyright. Perhaps. That's what I'm trying to find out.

I suggest you use the term "I", to make clear that it is something YOU want, and that you speak for yourself. But, as wesp5 mentioned, I don't really know what this is about, at all. And, I'm also wondering about all the newly registered people lately, who just arrived at this forum, and already want to revolutionize this mod. This is a thing I noticed 2 or 3 years ago, and which hasn't been present in the 15 years I play this mod and frequent these forums now. Really seems like a common thing these days, to not knock on the door, but kick it in, and stomp right in.