Skybox leaks on 0.125

[Garreth]

I did alot of work and dint save seperatly so i needed to fix this leak fooled around a little deleted a whole basement, till i found out that drawing the skybox on grid 8 solved the problem.

On 0.125 it leaked how is that possible?

[Fidcal]

There is a minimum brush size below which there are leaks. Probably some technical reason but there it is; it's a doom3 thing. This will also cause internal leaks between portal areas.

 

Big thick walls are recommended anyway. I'm using 32 in my current one; 16 is probably OK; 8 is a bit thin for general use.

[Sotha]

Big thick walls are recommended anyway. I'm using 32 in my current one; 16 is probably OK; 8 is a bit thin for general use.

 

Huh? Really?

I've always used grid 8 for basic geometry building. Never had leak problems.

 

I've never used larger grid.

 

In glenham I had outside sounds leaking inside the tower if the walls were thinner than 8 units. The problem came from grid 8 walls, which were dragged diagonally. And then the wall thickness gets smaller of course.

When I increased the thickness to 8 it worked properly again.

 

On 0.125 it leaked how is that possible?

 

Never ever use so small grid for basic geometry building. Never!

Build with 8 grid or higher. Use the smaller grid only for fine object model placement.

[Fidcal]

I'm not saying 8 causes leaks just that for general use (ie, non-leak issues) it is safer to go big. For instance it gives more room for trim adjustments, light leaks, etc. and you can sometimes frob right through a wall if it is thin enough. Plus old stone buildings are just not going to be that thin. 8 is manageable though.

[SiyahParsomen]

Lesson 1: quote from Fidcal "We have to build in bubbles sealed off from that void like an airtight spaceship or a submarine." Which means when surface is too thin it can't resist to pressure. That must be the reason.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[stumpy]

the lowest you can go is one unit, but I wouldn't go lower than 16 or 8 on the edge of the void.

[Mortem Desino]

I have never understood why some people use the smallest grid sizes for the largest brushwork, and as a result, have to agonize over getting things lined up perfectly. That is why there is a grid. By using a large grid, everything is always perfectly lined up to the grid. Making large brushes? Use a larger grid size and there is no guesswork or double-checking for itty-bitty 0.125 size leaks.

 

Maybe I've used autoCAD too much or something, because I think it's good to let the giant computer do the perfect calculations by itself, and let me do the design.

[Sotha]

I have never understood why some people use the smallest grid sizes for the largest brushwork, and as a result, have to agonize over getting things lined up perfectly.

 

I think people use small grids because that way they feel that they get exactly what they want. I mean the brush does not change form in 'quantums' but arbitrarily. Of course it is a bad tactic since it results in terrible amount of problems.

 

But it is human and understandable if people have no previous experience with CADish thingies, I think. Imagine a painter who is confined to only restricted movements with their brush.

[LEGION]

Well, when positioning or rotating stuff smallest grid feels most comfortable and often I forget to switch back to higher grid. Recently I used a lot grid size '4' though, that´s still too low, eh?

[rich_is_bored]

Ideally people should work on their levels in passes and reduce the grid size each time.

[Garreth]

I use the small grid all the time to cut out gems and position stuff, and i just draw a untextered skybox everytime for testing, i never noticed that it leakes trough thin brushes...

Map is comming together nicely and faster then i thought realy cool stuff just you wait.

Edited November 4, 2010 by Garreth

[nbohr1more]

Glad to hear that you are making better progress now Garreth. Looking forward to it!

[Baddcog]

It's not that the small grids don't snap right, it's that the spaces are so small you have to zoom all the way in to see the gap between lines so it's easy to get 2 large brushes 0.125 grid spaces apart.

 

At grid 16 they either touch, overlap or are 8 units apart. 8 units is easy to see without tons of zooming in.

[Garreth]

They do alighn but the walls itself are leaking below grid 1 Thickness