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#201 Lux

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Posted 22 November 2016 - 06:37 PM

Seems like the best bet is to get a single seat Enterprise license which runs (i believe) about 6-8$ per month.  So 100ish $ per year and you can turn off Telemetry and disable auto updating of drivers at least.  Looks to me like this is the only way forward.

 

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This seems in-line with MS's desire to turn all their assets in to a subscription model.  If you want free or one-time fee then you get all the garbage that comes with it so MS can use your info for AD revenue.

 

What are you guys' thoughts?


Edited by Lux, 28 November 2016 - 05:37 AM.


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Posted 25 November 2016 - 11:38 PM

A decade later and Windows 7 is still your best bet for an operating system for playing new and old games.

 

Wow, did Microsoft screw the pooch.


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#203 Bikerdude

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 03:55 AM

A decade later and Windows 7 is still your best bet for an operating system for playing new and old games.

And cert wise Win7 is still more secure than Win10 -

 

http://betanews.com/...-security-emet/



#204 kano

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 07:26 PM

http://www.ghacks.ne...nts-first-look/

 

Microsoft to users: "You'll use the Windows Store and you'll like it, even if we have to drag you in, kicking and screaming all the way."

 

When I saw the bottom screenshot in that article, I just had to make a quick correction.

 

http://i.imgur.com/l9oV6js.png

 

Dear Microsoft, a PC is not an Ipad or a game console. We're not going to be limited exclusively to getting apps from your store.



#205 Anderson

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Posted 06 February 2017 - 11:49 AM

http://www.ghacks.ne...nts-first-look/

 

Microsoft to users: "You'll use the Windows Store and you'll like it, even if we have to drag you in, kicking and screaming all the way."

 

When I saw the bottom screenshot in that article, I just had to make a quick correction.

 

http://i.imgur.com/l9oV6js.png

 

Dear Microsoft, a PC is not an Ipad or a game console. We're not going to be limited exclusively to getting apps from your store.

I don't usually agree with this person but when I do, it's this: 


 "I really perceive that vanity about which most men merely prate — the vanity of the human or temporal life. I live continually in a reverie of the future. I have no faith in human perfectibility. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active — not more happy — nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. The result will never vary — and to suppose that it will, is to suppose that the foregone man has lived in vain — that the foregone time is but the rudiment of the future — that the myriads who have perished have not been upon equal footing with ourselves — nor are we with our posterity. I cannot agree to lose sight of man the individual, in man the mass."...

 

 

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#206 kano

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 08:23 PM

https://betanews.com...rer-windows-10/

 

I'm choking with laughter...



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Posted 12 March 2017 - 04:06 PM

So I have Windows 10 running again and I've successfully blocked the telemetry/forced updates:

 

1) Install openwrt/gargoyle custom firmware on your router (I already had this anyway)

2) Add a simple iptables rule (on your router in /etc/config/firewall) to DROP (not REJECT) all WAN traffic over all protocols from your windows PC by MAC address.  LAN traffic is still good.

3) Install and configure a SOCKS server on your openwrt router that simply forwards connections from clients right back onto your network (LAN and WAN).  Dante (aka "sockd") is in the repos and it supports TCP, UDP, ICMP as far as I can tell.

4) Install an application "proxifier" client on your WIndows PC and configure it for the SOCKS proxy server on your router.  Then selectively proxify each application.  I'm using SocksCap64 because it supports UDP and automatically proxifies child processes.  The application is freeware but proprietary (tries to load up an advertisement in its GUI but it fails to load since it doesn't connect to the advertisement through the SOCKS proxy).  If your Windows applications have integrated SOCKS proxy support, may as well use that.

 

As far as I can tell this works fine (at least with everything I've tested, including Steam and multiplayer games).  I realized that any software firewall / bandwidth shaper I installed in windows itself was likely going to get circumvented since ultimately the OS has control of everything up to your NIC.  There's probably some line of code in there that checks for internet connectivity before control ever reaches your userspace firewall/bandwidth shaper application.  But with the above setup, from the OS's perspective it just looks like I'm running Windows on a LAN-only connection.  So unless the OS opportunistically takes over the proxified applications's connections and tests for internet connectivity, I don't see them getting around this.

 

Will have to give this some more time of course and monitor things closely to ensure that there aren't any issues with this.  Can then write up a guide if anyone's interested.



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Posted 13 March 2017 - 11:06 AM

More lols for everyone!

 

https://betanews.com...windows-10-ads/

 

It is nice to see others waking up.



#209 Bikerdude

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 06:36 AM

Following on from Kano's post above, "Playable ad's"....

 

https://www.techpowe...s-windows-store

 

er...

 



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Posted 16 March 2017 - 12:19 PM

LOL.

 

Now Microsoft wont give you "security patches" if you have a pre-Windows 10 OS paired with

a new CPU:

 

https://support.micr...a-processor-tha

 

so that nifty workaround to get Windows 7 to install on Ryzen has been nullified I guess.

 

(Unless someone can somehow fool Windows Updates into thinking that it's running on an older CPU arch. CPUID spoofing etc.)


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#211 kano

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 05:42 PM

Nevermind, already posted here and can't delete.


Edited by kano, 16 March 2017 - 05:48 PM.


#212 Bikerdude

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 05:47 PM

You just create your own update pack to get around the above Bollox -

 

- https://www.google.c...JJKP38AebiaOIDg



#213 kano

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 05:52 PM

LOL.

 

Now Microsoft wont give you "security patches" if you have a pre-Windows 10 OS paired with

a new CPU:

I'm guessing that if you install Vista on one of these machines equipped with a brand new CPU, it will update just fine. Windows Update never gave a damn about what CPU was in the machine before as long as it was X86 compatible and its really fishy that it starts doing so now. And of course Microsoft has no reason to intentionally hobble Vista because its at something like 3% anyway. Windows 7 and 8.1, on the other hand...

 

By the way, Microsoft, Windows 8.1 is still supposed to be in the *mainstream support period*. I just thought you would like to know.


Edited by kano, 16 March 2017 - 05:53 PM.


#214 kano

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Posted 13 April 2017 - 08:27 PM

https://www.theregis...s_on_new_chips/

 

Mwahahaha... Microsoft tried to shut out users with new hardware from getting updates for Windows 7 and 8.1, but they accidentally caught hardware which is supposed to be supported in this snag too!



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Posted 21 August 2017 - 11:16 AM

I Hope you weren't a ReFS fan!

 

https://www.ghacks.n...windows-10-pro/

 

Selling people a product and then retroactively pulling features, in order to needlessly up-sell the users should be illegal. Actually, I'm pretty sure that it is.

 

A lot of Pro-Microsoft people like to claim that they're not "selling" you Windows and that you're not "buying" it, so this somehow makes Microsoft's behavior okay, but to these people, I happily lift up my printed Windows receipt which clearly states that it was a *sale*, and I also point to the buttons on Newegg and Amazon which are labeled "Buy Now", not "license now".



#216 Atomica

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:19 PM

Microsoft are doing this becasue ReFS is a niche technology that most people won't mind, but it's more a representation of how, because of the license, they have the power to remove features from your Windows operating system if they desire, because it's in the license that everyone agrees to but no-one ever reads. The FACT that they can even do this should put people on edge, regardless of whether you're likely to use that feature or not.

 

Sony did something similar with the PlayStation 3, in which the original versions had OtherOS support that people used to install Linux either for fun or to build a cluster (https://en.wikipedia...ation_3_cluster). That feature was not only not present in newer versions of the console, but it was also REMOVED via a firmware update to existing machines, and remember that many games needed at least a certain firmware version in order to run, so you'd have to upgrade to this feature-removing version of the firmware for newer games. Again, most people wouldn't have been affected but the fact that it was possible and done at all should have raised eyebrows.

 

Of course, it didn't do any long-term damage to Sony and I doubt this will do any damage to Microsoft. It's not like a majority of people are going to move (or even try) Linux because of dodgy business practices.


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#217 kano

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 05:58 PM

https://autoriteitpe...-law-windows-10

 

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 10:02 PM

https://www.cnet.com...ence-microsoft/



#219 kano

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 11:17 PM

You almost feel sorry for Microsoft. Windows Phone bit the dust, and Intel canceled the ultra-low power Atom CPUs that were used in budget X86 tablets and phones. At one point Intel were showing off a phone with an Atom CPU that ran Android and Linux x86 applications simultaneously, pretty cool. But they scrapped that, too. It would have inevitably been used to build an x86 phone that runs Windows...

 

Microsoft really needed the low-cost Intel Atom chips to put up a fight against the bargain basement Android tablets that go for under $100.


Edited by kano, 13 October 2017 - 11:18 PM.


#220 Anderson

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 02:14 AM

For now they retreat to regroup Cortana with Amazon Alexa, consolidate Windows 10 market share and then return.
I use win 10 mobile. I can confirm that we still receive security and performance updates for maintenance.
The x86 processors are the only way to break the Android iOS oligopoly. Until they have something they won't talk, so as not to disappoint.

 "I really perceive that vanity about which most men merely prate — the vanity of the human or temporal life. I live continually in a reverie of the future. I have no faith in human perfectibility. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active — not more happy — nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. The result will never vary — and to suppose that it will, is to suppose that the foregone man has lived in vain — that the foregone time is but the rudiment of the future — that the myriads who have perished have not been upon equal footing with ourselves — nor are we with our posterity. I cannot agree to lose sight of man the individual, in man the mass."...

 

 

- 2 July 1844 letter to James Russell Lowell from Edgar Allan Poe.

 


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Posted 14 October 2017 - 03:23 AM

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#222 Anderson

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 04:25 AM

Pretty much. Thus far looks like EU countries are the most active in regards to consumer rights.

Recently there's also this: https://www.gamasutr...commissions.php


 "I really perceive that vanity about which most men merely prate — the vanity of the human or temporal life. I live continually in a reverie of the future. I have no faith in human perfectibility. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active — not more happy — nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. The result will never vary — and to suppose that it will, is to suppose that the foregone man has lived in vain — that the foregone time is but the rudiment of the future — that the myriads who have perished have not been upon equal footing with ourselves — nor are we with our posterity. I cannot agree to lose sight of man the individual, in man the mass."...

 

 

- 2 July 1844 letter to James Russell Lowell from Edgar Allan Poe.

 


#223 kano

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 11:44 AM

http://www.reuters.c...s-idUSKCN1241YT

 

As long as nations like the US are doing things like this behind the scenes, they have no reason whatsoever to punish Microsoft for forcing intrusive software on the public, and every reason to just look the other way.



#224 Anderson

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Posted Yesterday, 05:32 AM

http://www.reuters.c...s-idUSKCN1241YT

 

As long as nations like the US are doing things like this behind the scenes, they have no reason whatsoever to punish Microsoft for forcing intrusive software on the public, and every reason to just look the other way.

 

In the US natural persons can still sue them for compensation as it has happened already (an win). More global and systematic steps against Microsoft's policy at this moment might not happen.


Edited by Anderson, Yesterday, 05:32 AM.

 "I really perceive that vanity about which most men merely prate — the vanity of the human or temporal life. I live continually in a reverie of the future. I have no faith in human perfectibility. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active — not more happy — nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. The result will never vary — and to suppose that it will, is to suppose that the foregone man has lived in vain — that the foregone time is but the rudiment of the future — that the myriads who have perished have not been upon equal footing with ourselves — nor are we with our posterity. I cannot agree to lose sight of man the individual, in man the mass."...

 

 

- 2 July 1844 letter to James Russell Lowell from Edgar Allan Poe.

 


#225 Bikerdude

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Posted Yesterday, 10:05 AM

How to block Win 10 Creators update -

 

https://www.itworld....alling.amp.html






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