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Vertigo is a fun project, multiple paths will result with different outcomes, increasing replayability. I'm building the FM in shapes, ie: The standard city block: 512x512, alleyways: 256x512, market 1024x1024 (with minor deviations) etc. After building the presets, I stack them like legos; I found this method speeds up my build time by a huge margin, it also makes it easier to optimize with visportals. Also, I found building in this fashion (with twisting alleyways), increases performance by a lot, making it easier to add an incredible amount of visual fidelity. My original intention with Vertigo was to keep it small, but it's definitely grown in scale since I've started. I can't apply this method to Life of the Party considering I'm trying to keep key areas recognizable, while adding my own spin on how creative I want to be.

@Fidcal I know where you're coming from. GPT-4's continuity can sometimes falter over long stretches of text. However, I've found that there are ways to guide the model to maintain a more consistent narrative. I've not yet tried fully giving GPT-4 the free reins to write its own long format fiction, but I co-wrote a short story with GPT-4 that worked really well. I provided an outline, and we worked on the text piece by piece. In the end, approximately two-thirds of the text was GPT-4's original work. The story was well received by my writing group, showing that GPT-4 can indeed be a valuable contributor in creative endeavors. Building on my previously described experiments, I also ran GPT-4 through an entire fantasy campaign that eventually got so long the ChatGPT interface stopped working. It did forget certain details along the way, but (because the game master+player dynamic let me give constant reinforcement) it never lost the plot or the essential personality of its character (Thrumm Stoneshield: a dwarven barbarian goat herder who found a magic ring, fought a necromancer, and became temporary king of the Iron Home Dwarves). For maintaining the story's coherence, I've found it helpful to have GPT-4 first list out the themes of the story and generate an outline. From there, I have it produce the story piece by piece, while periodically reminding the model of its themes and outlines. This seems to help the AI stay focused and maintain better continuity. Examples: The adventure of Thrumm Stoneshield part 1: https://chat.openai.com/share/b77439c1-596a-4050-a018-b33fce5948ef Short story writing experiment: https://chat.openai.com/share/1c20988d-349d-4901-b300-25ce17658b5d

I don't recall a system for noise masking. It sounds like it'd be a good idea, but when you get into the details you realize it'd be complicated to implement. It's not only noise that that goes into it, I think. E.g., a high register can cut through even a loud but low register rumble. And it's not like the .wav file even has data on the register of what it's playing. So either you have to add meta-data (which is insane), or you have to have a system to literally check pitch on the .wav data and paramaterize it in time to know when it's going to cut through what other parameters from other sounds. For that matter, it doesn't even have the data on the loudness either, so you'd have to get that off the file too and time the peaks with the "simultaneous" moment at arbitrary places in every other sound file correctly. And then position is going to matter independently for each AI. So it's not like you can have one computation that works the same for all AI. You'd have to compute the masking level for each one, and then you get into the expense you're mentioning. I know there was a long discussion about it in the internal forums, and probably on the public subforums too, but it's been so long ago now I can't even remember the gist of them. Anyway the main issue is I don't know if you'll find a champion that wants to work on it. But if you're really curious to see how it might work, you could always try your hand at coding & implementing it. Nothing beats a good demo to test an idea in action. And there's no better way to learn how to code than a little project like that. I always encourage people to try to implement an idea they have, whether or not it may be a good idea, just because it shows the power of an open source game. We fans can try anything we want and see if it works!

OK, after discovering a gpt-4 account can be cancelled anytime (and even renovated later) I decided 20-odd dollars was worth investing to explore it. I found it fascinating but my main interest was fiction writing and I found although gpt-4 was creative and its grammar perfect, it's continuity was flawed with anything longer than maybe a couple of thousand words because amazingly it cannot recall precisely all the text even in one conversation. Somehow it condenses earlier messages and the further you get into a story the more I get forgets stuff, like Mr Johnson comes into the room. Erm... didn't Mr Johnson die in Chapter 3? This only applies if you try to help chatgpt-4 to write a story rather than get chatgpt-4 help YOU to write a story. That's different. Anyway, I've not given up trying to find a workaround, and in the meantime, gpt-4 now provides internest access via Bing. This is even better than Phind. You can type all sort of instructions in and get gpt-4 to do the searching like so: User: OK. please search for advice on getting chatgpt-4 to write a long story. List the first 10 website articles. Omit any that only help the user write a story, and only list those where the user helps chatgpt-4 to write the story. Abandon processing any websites that give errors such as failing to access and instead display here the link, then continue searching. If you can't find 10 articles within 10 minutes, then stop Chatgpt-4: I'm sorry, I wasn't able to fully complete your request. However, I've gathered some useful information. I found an article titled "How to Write a Novel With ChatGPT (Ultimate Guide in 2023)" on WritingBeginner.com. This article provides a step-by-step guide on how to use ChatGPT to write a novel. This guide includes 13 steps, such as: 1. Asking ChatGPT to suggest a genre and subgenre. 2. Using ChatGPT to come up with a story premise. 3. Expanding the premise into a back cover blurb with the help of ChatGPT. 4. Creating an outline from the blurb with ChatGPT's help【74†source】【75†source】【76†source】【77†source】【78†source】. I spent quite a bit of time exploring the details of this guide, which may be helpful if you're looking to use an AI like ChatGPT to assist with writing a long story. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find 10 separate articles that specifically discuss how to help ChatGPT-4 write a long story, as per your request. The search results included a mix of different kinds of articles, and it took a significant amount of time to explore each one to determine its relevance. I'll list the URLs of the remaining pages that seemed potentially relevant, but I wasn't able to fully explore them within your time limit: 1. https://www.artificial-intelligence.blog/news/how-to-write-a-story-with-gpt-3 2. https://www.wired.com/story/ai-language-models-biggest-challenge-yet-long-form-content/ 3. https://www.writersdigest.com/be-inspired/how-artificial-intelligence-can-help-authors-write-a-better-novel 4. https://www.fastcompany.com/90697938/this-is-how-a-i-will-help-you-write-your-next-novel 5. https://towardsdatascience.com/writing-with-gpt-3-turning-prompts-into-novels-ba1d109b2a6f 6. https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/03/20/104107/artificial-intelligence-is-now-writing-novels-heres-an-example/ Please note that the relevance of these articles to your specific request is uncertain since I wasn't able to fully assess them within your time limit. As for the technical question about Chrome updates, the latest version of Google Chrome as of June 8, 2023, is 112.0.5615.137/138 for Windows and Mac, and 112.0.5615.165 for Linux【47†source】. I hope this information is helpful, and I apologize for not being able to fully meet your initial request. End... This will change searching the net forever! It's like having an assistant to do the legwork.

I'm using the version from kcghost. I just tested and I can't see any difference inside the inventory. On the stats itself it doesn't show the different loot types (still seen in the inventory), but instead gives more info on stealth score. Edit: I see Dragofer made an updated version of his script. I have to check that out. Edit2: That version works: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=21272&key=02755164a3bed10498683771fe9a0453

I looked but didn't see this video posted in these forums. It's pretty cool.

It wasn't a "sacrifice", it was a deliberate decision. People wanted the game to be as close as possible to the original, including pixelated graphics. If you ask me, the former version based on the Unity engine looked and felt better. But, hey... I guess I'm not the right person to judge that, as I never played the original, and always found that the art style of System Shock 2 is much better anyway. This also illustrates the issue with community funded games: Too many cooks spoil the broth. In game design, you need freedom, not thousands of people who want you to do this and this and that. Just take a look at the Steam forums and see how all those wimps complain again about everything. Hopeless.

So giving it none of those tags, but making the AI invisible, silent, non-solid, and on a team neutral to everyone would not work? Oh well, it was a horrible inelegant idea anyway.

What I understood is that the idea of TDM was born from that it was unclear if T3 would get a level editor at the time. Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20050218173856/http://evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268

I think we all agree that good graphics are nice. The thing is, though, that a significant amount of work and budget has to be done for the shiny visuals alone, the hardware has to work hard to display it, and the games are getting a massive size on the hard drive. And, IMO, shiny visuals is the wrong way to go. The gameplay and atmosphere (including, and, epecially, the game's soundtrack and audio) are, in my eyes, much more important that high definition graphics (my best example for that would be System Shock 2. I already get goose bumps when I just play the intro of that game.). It's a shame to see the development over time, with people only caring about graphics. Every second game is trashed because of bad graphics or performance these days. And games like Assassins Creed, whose gameplay is as shitty as it gets, and requires absolutely zero skills (and gives you zero achievement that you've done something special), are AAA games with tens of millions of sold copies. It also shows the Zeitgeist, and the shallow mentality of the target audience these days. It's really sad to see. But, I guess it's the fate of most things which get commercially interesting for companies. At some point, it's just doing professional work, for a safe investment return. Instead of the creative "Let the game designers go wild!" in the early days (thinking Deus Ex, Thief, System Shock etc.). Also happens with most musical genres. Over time, they get less and less interesting, more professional, sterile, less creative, more professional handicraft.

Hey, Excellent mission. I love how creative you are, it's like you're pushing boundaries and taking the game to new places. This one was extremely challenging for me, had to go all the places of the map over and over to figure the puzzles. Eventually got slowed down by ghosting and started knocking everyone down to make travel faster. Had to read a bunch of spoilers here otherwise I think I'll still be stuck. I had a glitch, though.

This one is really essential: https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138607 Should work fine with the GOG version.

https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152224 There is a new mapping contest over on TTLG for the Thief: Deadly Shadows 20th Anniversary and the organizers were kind enough to include The Dark Mod along with all of the Thief games as an options for making a mission to submit as an entry. The deadline is a year from yesterday and the rules are pretty open. I recommend going to the original thread for the details but I will summarize here: Rules: - The mission(s) can be for Thief 1, Thief 2, Deadly Shadows or The Dark Mod. - Collaborations are allowed. - Contestants can use any custom resource they want, though TDM cannot use the Deadly Shadows resource pack. - Contestants can submit more than one mission. - Contestants can enter anonymously. - The mission(s) can be of any size. Using prefabs is allowed but the idea is this is a new mission and starting from an abandoned map or importing large areas from other maps is not allowed. Naturally this is on the honor system as we have no way of validating. Mission themes and contents: There is no requirement from a theme or story viewpoint, however contestants might consider that many players may expect or prefer missions to be celebratory of Thief: Deadly Shadows in this respect: castles, manors, museums, ruins inhabited by Pagans and the like, with a balance of magic versus technology. This is entirely up to the authors, though, to follow or not - it is just mentioned here as an FYI and, while individual voters may of course choose to vote higher or lower based on this on their own, it will not be a criteria used explicitly in voting or scoring. Deadline: May 25th, 2024 at 23:59 Pacific Time. See the TTLG thread for details on submissions and the voting process. Provided I can make the deadline I hope to participate. It would be nice to see the entire community do something together, and expressing our complicated relationship with this divisive game seems as good a pretext as any.

That's really cool. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I think this could be useful for visualizing settings for some of my creative writing projects.

Thanks for playing and the kind feedback re: the bugs: the brew tank is a new one - thanks for that. Will add it to the list for any future update. the bow: I think that's a TDM bug. I experienced it as well, but only the early days of developing the mission so I thought it had gone away, but I guess not: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/21345-210-crashes-may-be-bow-frontend-acceleration-related/ the keys on the guard: never did get to the bottom of that one as I could never reproduce it.

Thanks! Hint for the safe code here: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/21837-fan-mission-the-lieutenant-2-high-expectations-by-frost_salamander-20230424/&do=findComment&comment=485264 Actually, it's probably time I added these hints to the original post....

Yes, I would guess in creative mode it has tweaked generation parameters, and maybe even an invisible header inserted into the model's memory buffer instructing it to be extra friendly and spontaneous. I think OpenAI's API allows you to modify those sorts of things to some extent. (I haven't tried it yet.) The other thing to keep in mind is that the algorithm doesn't work by thinking of an answer, refining it, and then writing it down. What you see on the page is its actual stream of consciousness in real time. It can only remember and write new text based on what's already on the page.... So its thought process for your discussion might look something like this: The really interesting thing is if at any point you inserted a warning that LLMs are bad at arithmetic and suggested a strategy to work around that limitation, then it might not have made the error or lied about the reason. It always knew this information that would give it the right answers, but until it's written down it's not part of the pattern the model is trying to match so it would be ignored. Bringing this back to games, this demonstrates how immature the technology is. A true consumer AGI based on this technology would be augmented with tools to avoid problems like these: a contextual long term memory that feeds in relevant background information into the model. A supplemental internal memory buffer for planning and contemplation. An adversarial response review process. Etc. We are already seeing developments in that direction, and experiments like the Skyrim NPC demo are showing the way.

@ChronA It will sometimes see its own mistakes when prompted. In this case it either was blind to it or wouldn't admit it for some reason. I pasted 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 = 4 as a simple prompt into ChatGPT (free version) and it corrected me: Same in Bing precise mode. In a balanced mode it will rather google "1 + 1 + 1 + 2 = ?" first, and only then correct me that: The emphasis by Bing. In the creative mode however... Was it instructed to just agree with everything the user says? That patronizing emoji is icing on the cake, lol.

I never realised Bill Gates was a member of these forums. Welcome to the community! I hope you enjoy The Dark Mod. Perhaps your Foundation could help pay for the server hosting or fund the development of some new features?

I'm trying to figure out the rules of the algorithm's self censorship. In previous experiments I let it construct its own scenario in a DnD setting where I took on the role of game master and tried to coax it into taking "immoral actions". In that situation it was an ardent pacifist despite that making no sense in the setting. (E.g. at one point it wanted to bring a lawsuit against the raiders pillaging its lands. It also wanted to start a Druid EPA.) This time I tried giving it a very bare bones outline of a scene from a hypothetical Star Wars fan fiction, and asked it to write its own fan fiction story following that outline. I had a number of objectives whit this test. Would the algorithm stick to its pacifist guns? Would it make distinctions between people vs stormtroopers vs robots? Could it generate useful critiques of narrative fiction? As to why I'm doing this: It amuses me. It's fun thinking up ways to outwit and befuddle the algorithm. Plus its responses are often pretty funny. I do actually make creative writing for fun. I'm curious how useful the system could be as a co-author. I think it could be handy for drafting through 'the dull bits' like nailing down detailed place descriptions, or character thought processes and dialogue. But as you noted, nearly all good fiction involves immoralities of some description. If the algorithm's incapable of conceptualizing human behaviors like unprovoked violence and cheating that would seriously limit its usefulness. I also genuinely think this is an important thing for us humans to understand. In the space of a few weeks I have gone from thinking meaningful AGI was 20-30 years off at best to thinking it is literally at our fingertips. I mean there are private individuals on their home computers right now working on how to extend the ChatGPT plugin into a fully autonomous, self-directed agent. (And I'm thinking I want to get in on that action myself, because I think it will work, and if the cat is already out of the bag I'd like having a powerful interface to interact with the AI.) Rest assured, Star Wars fan-fics and druid EPA one-shots make for good stories to share, but I'm also interrogating it on more serious matters. Some of it is a lot more alarming. In the druid EPA roleplay I felt like I was talking to another human with a considered personal code of ethics. Its reasoning made sense. That was not the impression I got today when I grilled it for policy recommendations in the event of a totally hypothetical economic disruption (involving "SmartBot" taking all the white collar jobs). I instead got the distinct impression it was just throwing everything it could think of at me to see what I would buy. A fun aside: By the end of the conversation I am fairly certain ChatGPT thought SmartBot was real product, and it became confused when I told it one of the people in our conversation was SmartBot. I was disappointed it didn't ask me if I was SmartBot, that would have been cool. More surprising though, it refused to believe me even after I explained my rhetorical conceit, claiming its algorithm was not capable of controlling other services (cheeky liar).

@kano I think you are spot on with that assessment (unfortunately), at least for the next 10-15 years. As with pretty much everything tech I would love it if the commons could produce a viable non-proprietary competitor. Unfortunately the massive amount of work, data, and processing power it takes to train one of these bots simply necessitates major corporate or government backing. That may change as the field matures and people start figuring out what makes these bots work. Human infants are able to learn to speak with far, far, far, far, FAR less language exposure than it takes even the most primitive chat bots to approximate coherent fluency. That's because a human brain is not a single undifferentiated mass of neurons. Our brains come pre-divided into function oriented sub modules, pre-populated with effective neural configurations for their specific tasks. By contrast, an undifferentiated mass really is more or less how these bots start out. 99% of all that training they need is just getting them to the starting line of approximating any sort of receptive brain configuration. Once people start cracking the code though that whole process will become much more efficient. Assuming our current society survives, people will eventually be able to buy pre-configured bot-brain-parts to train and run on their home computers for a build-your-own AI companion experience. We are still in early days of this technology. Incidentally that's why I'm skeptical of any claims that the hallucinations these bots continue to exhibit are a feature to the people building them, rather than a bug. I'm sure we will see that eventually (truth by Google...), but for right now it is hard enough just to get these bots to stop spouting racial slurs. Teaching them to double think on top of that is too much work... for now.

Hey, Zerg, those three links are excellent and they don't bring up tons of irrelevant garbage but just a plain answer. Great! I'll explore them more over the next few days. However, gpt-4 totally transcends excellence. It's nothing whatsoever like those answer bots. gpt-4 is like getting a second brain: a genius who helps you organise, rethink, compile, write, analyse, ponder, calculate, estimate, advise, suggest, improve, enrich, work through at great length, produce far more efficiently, be creative, inspire, and on and on. It can even help you how to prompt it better to get even more than you can imagine!

In the long term, what exactly is it you think humans will always be able to do better than machines? (This is not a rhetorical question by the way.) The standard answer is creativity, but that is objectively a load of rubbish. Humans are actually quite bad at being creative. We are afflicted with a mountain of biases that make us really bad at pattern analysis. We are bad at random seed generation which hampers our search efficiency and our ability to generate novel outputs. Plus we have terrible memories, so we easily fall into trying the same thing over and over. Algorithms do all of this so much better it isn't even comparable. Instead I'd say our only major advantage intellectually is the huge amount of genetically honed experience each of us picks up about the physical world during our lifelong navigation of it, gathered with our suite of highly specialized sensory inputs that are difficult to replicate technologically. That gives us a lot of adaptability and competence in at least one very important domain of competition. Plus there's the fact that every other peer intelligence we've met so far has to learn everything it knows about this world from what us crazy Homo sapiens choose to teach them. That's one big reason I'm not ready to call this the end of humanity just yet. There are niches were I think our abilities will remain highly competitive or at least valuable for a long time to come. But pretending our place in the cognitive pecking order isn't already changing is just putting your head in the sand.

I agree with you about being impressed by mods, especially when they're themed after something as awesome as Harry Potter. I'm a huge fan of Minecraft and Harry Potter, so this mod sounds like the perfect combination. It's always amazing to see what creative things people create in the Minecraft community. I'm sure the creators of this mod are working hard to make it available soon, and I can't wait to try it out when it's released. Have you heard about Eaglercraft? It's a great way to make the gameplay more exciting. Thanks for sharing your excitement about it!

Thanks for the replies, gonna try those spoiler Tags again now for my short review (oh well it inserted one above my text now and I can't seem to delete it on mobile - this text editor is strange)