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Yet another breaking change, I'm afraid: 6346 Sounds have a bunch of parameters: minDistance maxDistance volume shakes soundClass The base value for each parameter is set in sound shader. However, it can be overridden with a different value in spawnargs (e.g. "s_volume" "-10") or in C++ engine code with SetSoundVolume (used extensively for footsteps). Unfortunately, Doom 3 engine has a special case: setting some parameter to zero means it will not override the base value. So there is no way to override sound volume with 0, because setting zero would mean "use value from sound shader", while setting 0.1 or -0.1 would mean "use volume = 0.1 or -0.1". This behavior causes confusion. It is especially bad when volume is set programmatically, because e.g. volume of player footsteps is computed as a sum of many modifiers (run, crouch, creep, in water, etc.) and it is hard to be sure you don't get zero sum in the end. The idea is to fix this mess and add a "don't override" special value in the system. Speaking of spawnargs, it would work like this: "s_volume" "13.4" = override with value 13.4 "s_volume" "0" or "s_volume" "0.0" = override with zero "s_volume" "" (empty string) = don't override Right now there are tons of zero values set in these spawnargs. It is not clear where the author intended to override with zero, and where he wanted to drop inherited override and use base value. I guess for compatibility reasons I'll have to replace spawnargs "s_volume" "0" with "s_volume" "" in all missions.

Operating System: Kubuntu 22.10 KDE Plasma Version: 5.25.5 KDE Frameworks Version: 5.98.0 Qt Version: 5.15.6 Kernel Version: 5.19.0-38-generic (64-bit) Graphics Platform: X11 Processors: 4 × Intel® Core™ i5-5257U CPU @ 2.70GHz Memory: 7,7 GiB of RAM Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® Iris® Graphics 6100 Manufacturer: Apple Inc. Product Name: MacBookPro12,1 System Version: 1.0 when i started the game there is no sound and the sound is working fine on the other parts of the system.

When you press Escape to see the main menu, the sound effects from nearby electrical lights, like buzzing and crackling, will keep on playing. Doesn't seem to happen with gas lamps and torches. I don't know if this has been reported, but it has been around for a long time. (I'm on version 2.12)

I'm having this issue with a trapdoor I made, where I can't hear the closing sound when I close it from the top side. I presume this could have something to do with the visportals, but I couldn't figure it out. My test map is in the attachment below, if anyone wants to take a look. Thanks in advance. ___ EDIT: I just noticed that not being able to hear the sound at all from the top side is actually because I'm using `loss_closed 60`. But still, even if I use the default value for that spawnarg, the sound still gets a bit muffled. So the actual issue is how to prevent this? ladder_tests.zip

I don't know if this is any use to TDM but if I don't post it we'll never know https://sonniss.com/gameaudiogdc Apologies if this is in the wrong folder, please feel free to move the thread or remove the thread if it's no use

I wanted to bring this up for a while and am sorry I took so long. As such this thread is based on an old observation, I didn't retest recently but from what I know this limitation still exists with the latest code. If others confirm it and the issue is considered solvable I may post it to the bug tracker as well. EFX for spatial sounds are an amazing addition we had in recent years, however they suffer from a noticeable limitation: Reverb only accounts only for the location of the player and not that of sound. Sounds originating from a place with reverberation will not cause any echo if the player isn't standing in that room... oppositely sounds coming from outside will be heard with the full extent of the reverb effect in the room you're hearing them from, they should be echoing less due to not originating from the reverberating hallway. Example: Let's say there's a Builder church with a large hallway containing a reverb definition, inside there's an ambient sound of chanting. If the player is standing in front of the church door, they will hear the chanting without any kind of echo: Only once they step through the door and walk inside the echo suddenly makes itself heard. In a realistic scenario you'll hear the reverberation of any sound coming from a room that causes it, even if you're standing far outside that room hearing this noise in the distance. The simple solution would be a mixture between the location of the player's camera and that of the sound source: Each sound gets 75% the reverb defined in the room it's originating from, then on top of that all sounds being heard by the player anywhere have 25% the reverb of the room the player's standing in (current functionality). The more realistic but also more complicated option would be to use the portal tracing already implemented for sound attenuation and make each sound pick up reverb from each EFX room it passes through, accounting for the room of origin the room the player's standing in but also the rooms it's passing through; That way a noise emanating on one side of a building and passing through open windows in a corridor to reach the player on the other side would still echo, even if both that sound and the player are located outside in an area without reverb.

Something I've been wondering for a while, and the wiki couldn't quite answer my question to a satisfying degree; does ambient noise affect sound propagation in anyway? In other words, is there any system in place that simulates background noise masking player generated racket? I'm mainly thinking of things like roaring machinery, a common set piece in induralist settings. Or heavy rain, loud music, waterfalls, any kind of noise generating entity that physically exist in the mission's world, thus audible for AI entities, and could reasonably overshadow/drown out footsteps. Based on personal experience I'm fairly certain background noise is not taken into account, but it doesn't hurt asking. An old, personal pet peeve of mine is when enemies, that the player can't hear moving around due to blaringly loud ambient noises, somehow isn't affected by the same auditory disturbance and immediately goes searching mode over a single, casual footstep. Or when enemies somehow can distinguish between two sets of identical sounding footsteps, although I can accept that a bit more than the first one. The superhuman hearing can be quite ridiculous. Follow-up question; assuming it doesn't already exist, would such a system be a worthwhile addition? Could be a powerful tool for map makers and players, setting up areas where the player perform rushed actions by utilizing the environment. Like turning on a gramophone to be able to run through a fully illuminated wooden corridor, and stuff. One possible argument I can think of is that such an addition could mess with old missions, however I'd contend that any mission, that would get ruined by an extra tool/route, wasn't a particularly well designed mission in the first place. Another issue is that it might be pretty expensive to calculate or properly define the propagation.

Hi, I was recently thinking about the Thief 3 NPCs that had special voice lines "What are you doing in the bedroom?!" if you woke them up accidentally. Would it be possible to enhance our TDM voice lines too with a location based system? We already got the region system where you can setup specific background ambience and efx to regions in the maps. Is there a chance to also set a room attribute to the regions? Like inside / outside, or basement / living room area? So that the NPC knows in what kind of room / area it currently is and respond with more fitting voice line barks, if provided by the voice script? Would be happy to read your feedback on this idea. Thanks a lot!

Hello everyone, I installed TDM after a long time and I quickly noticed there was no sound. I checked the console and saw that OpenAL managed to list a bunch of devices but failed to open "ALSA default" I'm unsure why this error is happening, I never had any issues when i played TDM on Manjaro and Ubuntu a year ago, perhaps its permissions issues? I'm runnig ArchLinux 5.16.11-arch1-1 (with wayland), I had this issue with an older kernel too though

I've got an ambient sound playing on a region in the game. I wanted to achieve that after a trigger this ambient sound gets exchanged to another ambient sound for that same region. Is that possible to achieve? Say you start the mission in a city and get to hear city_ambience1. Then you finish you visit a certain area and that triggers to play city_ambience99 instead of city_ambience1 if you get back out into the city. I tried adding speakers to the area, but they weren't even playing after getting triggered, plus the old ambient sound still plays along.

When starting up DR, I get these errors in darkradiant.log: LoadLibrary failed: 'E:/games/DarkRadiant33/modules/sound.dll' GetLastError: The specified module could not be found. WARNING: Failed to load module E:/games/DarkRadiant33/modules/sound.dll: This could be just me, since I was having problems with my antivirus and that DLL. Can someone else running DR 3.3.0 check their log and see if they have that error? Thanks.

Spent the last few months working on this video and the audio track for it. Here you will cruise the nebulae of the galaxy, see what the Sun looks like from other Stars; drop into a couple of other galaxies and travel to the edge of the universe. A deep soothing ASMR sound is broadcast into your suite on board a giant Star Ship. You set off to cruise the galaxy and greater universe. As you lay there in your bed, the soothing sound sounds of space waft over you. The deep, almost OM like sounds of Space rebound around your room.

Hello dear developers! I tested version 2.10 and noticed a performance improvement over version 2.09. This pleases us! But I also noticed a bug with the sound... The player, when walking to the left (button A), the volume of the sound of his steps goes down. In some missions even this sound is inaudible... Please, if possible, make the volume of the step sounds the same for all four directions for realism. I ask you, if possible, to make a fix to version 2.10, as it is a very long time to wait for the release of version 2.11

Is there a way to prevent the screen shake every time I operate the lever? (I'm not sure that it's the sound causing it - I just can't imagine any other cause for the shakes suddenly occuring.)

I’ve been tinkering with the player footsteps sounds for the 3 surfaces that I found to be the weakest in the base game. Unfortunately, I couldn’t get anything to sound right from just editing the existing sound files, so I hunted down for some free sounds to create a sound pack that tries to emulate the feel of Thief’s footsteps for tile, wood, and stone that people can use if they want to. I understand why this kind of stuff is usually avoided because of copyright shenanigans and such, and that’s why I’m just posting this as a sound pack people can choose to use if they want to instead of expecting it to be put into the base game or anything like that. Link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ysfamuwxd5cisws/Thiefier_Sounds.zip?dl=0 To install, use 7zip to open the “tdm_sound_sfx02.pk4” in your TDM install directory as an archive, and replace the folders in it with the ones in the link above. I’m not sure how often I will come back to edit this. I’ve been working on this on and off to try to keep a neutral ear to it, but I’m also not a sound designer so I probably won’t be able to make it much better than this. Credits: Wood and Stone: Everyday Cinematic Sounds https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKhZFIZjpB7Vtf_XKOvBzrg Tile: Music & Sounds Effect Library https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb-iLJ2ifYw0mV8AaAa1fFA

Thinking about sound effects and ambience matters in the last few weeks, but especially yesterday, I've decided to start a single thread for sound-related stuff I'm working on or might work on in the near future. I've dug out a few interesting sounds I've recorded myself over the last few months and years, and read up on what sounds we still might be missing. Obviously, I'd prefer to focus on sounds we don't have enough of yet, or sounds that might be in need of improvement. ---- I haven't worked on the ice-related effects for now, but I've done some recording on potential new sounds for the candlesticks. Contact with surfaces at various intensity, the usual thing. The surfaces were older wooden furniture and thick ceramic kitchen tiles (non-glazed). Surfaces that make sense in TDM, I hope. I'll be uploading these shortly, I still need to edit them a bit. ---- For wilderness scenarios, I have the following recording of an owl's calls (made a few months ago). It's been edited down to only include the owl itself, and it's all in .ogg format : http://www.mediafire.com/listen/p2mhh2rh4bl0uu2/little+owl+call+raw+record.ogg Unfortunately, this is a bit of a raw record. I accidentally captured some humming in the background, presumably because my portable recorder was sticking out of the window and captured some device humming away in the interior. I'll try to clean up the recording so we'll only keep the owl calls, and I'd honestly appreciate some help with this, if someone wants to try it. The owl calls I've managed to record are a bit unusual, since they're more weepy-sounding than the more stereotypical hoot-hoot. This is because it's a little owl (yes, that's the species name in English for some reason), and they have a rather characteristic voice. I think it would be a creepy call to hear in a night forest, though.

I had a problem with my game where there was no audio, but there was a thread I found a while ago that fixed it by setting your headphones frequency to 44100 hz, which restored the sound, but there's still one more problem. Whenever I change pages in a note, the sound would mute, and I would have to restart the game to get it working again. This isn't really a deal breaker, but it basically means if I want to read a note in a mission (usually with useful information about loot spots in the level), I have to quit the game afterwards or I won't be able to play the game. Really kills the mood of the game for me, so I've been scouring the internet for solutions. I tried both the official and unofficial installers, I tried downloading the game from ModDB, but still nothing. I did however, find an old 2.08 build of the game on ModDB. I figured at this point my computer just doesn't like the 2.09 version so I would download that version and hopefully it would work. And something interesting happened. I loaded up the training mission and read the book to check if it was working, and this awful compressed (very loud) page turn sound effect played that nearly blew my eardrums out. So the sound was working at least, but it's almost worse now that my ears are getting blasted every time I read a note! My theory is that this sound effect was (rightfully) taken out of the game, and some line of code still refers to it playing, but I know nothing about coding so I wouldn't know how to fix it. If anyone finds a solution please respond ASAP. I've played all the Thief games and Dark Mod is the only reason I keep living.

OK Guys i thought id installed OK but at the end i got a compatability error and when i tryed to launch i got a black screen ! I then tryed to reinstall with compatability settings and the installer said i had installed successfully ! Tryed to launch and got the black screen again. I did a little search on the forums and it's looking like this might be a known problem. Is it a compatability issue with radeon drivers or am i missunderstanding the thread i read ? I have an Asus R9 270 which I hope is still good enough to run this game ! I used to be !! I alreao read about a hotfix but dont wish to do anything untill i get advice. Thanks got your help in advance.

I'm running TDM v 2.10/64 #9588 and I noticed a bug with ambient sounds. If you have two adjoining locations with the same ambient soundtrack but set to different volumes, the volume does not update if you move from one to the other.

In some missions, I hear this indistinct sound. At the same time, it is repeated, approximately every 2 minutes... There is no sound source. Maybe it's a bug that hasn't been fixed yet? What do you think about it? Can this sound be removed? But to leave the music in the mission Listen, please 2:28 - 2:44 3:35 - 3:48