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To summarize the various findings regarding character-level problems and their workarounds - Recommended Platform The 2024 improvements in character coverage of Stone 24pt were not distributed with TDM 2.13, but now in TDM 2.14. So the Air Pocket update's i18n will work best wtih 2.14. Mapping Error Fixed [Romanian] Due to an old romanian.map error, the Romanian character ș was rendered as Ș. Reported & fixed in bugtracker 6661, committed to dev 2.14 Rev 17437 build. Special (hacked) handling of readables in Air Pocket, to ovecome the shortcomings of mainly-ASCII fonts A system has been proposed to show the text first in English (where font is fine) and then (when current language is not English) switch over to the current language, but in the Stone font, which [at least for 24pt body font] has all 256 characters. This would require new C++functionality, not yet developed. In the meantime, the workaround implementation is to embed a copy of the English text (without #str_) within custom readable sheet GUIs. Specifically for Air Pocket, the fonts and scalings used are as follows. For pg1... Mac Humaine [with English title and body textscales of 0.40 and .31, both invoking 48pt]. Stone [with non-English title and body textscales of 0.30 and 0.23, respectively invoking 48pt and 24pt]. For pg2... Shoppinglist [with English title and body textscales of 1.0 and 0.5, both invoking 48pt]. Stone [with non-English title and body textscales of 0.52 and 0.26, respectively invoking 48pt and 24pt]. For more about this, besides earlier in this topic, see bugtracker proposal "0006638: Feature request: Provide Minimal Engine Support for Fade-In Translations in Readables". For planned improvements to Stone 48pt (as well as Carleton 24pt), see bugtracter 6656, 6657. Changes to English mission_briefing.xd Some pg_1 and pg_2 sentences are slightly altered from airpocket 1.0, to generate more-valid translations. And pg_3 is introduced, to handle language overflows. Unsupported characters in the TDM Char Map [Spanish] Can't do leading "¡", so drop it and replace trailing "!" with "." Missing characters in the Font used for Briefing & Objectives, Carleton 24pt The correct full translation is retained in all.lang as a comment, but the real text has the missing character substituted by its base character without accent. Specifically: [Polish] character ń (0x9c in TDM charmap) --> n [Danish] charactera å (0xe5 in TDM charmap) --> a [Romanian] characters ș and ț (0x9d & 0x9e in TMD charmap; and probably not upper case versions either) --> s and t, S and T. Missing characters in the Font used for Messages (tdm_message_no_art), Stone 48pt [Polish] character ń (0x9c in TDM charmap) --> n Missing characters in the Font used for Title of Stone Readables, Stone 48pt Because under TDM 2.13/2.14, Romanian character ț is not available in Stone 48pt, (used in title), only Stone 24pt (used in body) , we do a work-around, namely, suppress use of title. (Other chars also missing from Stone 48pt: ș, Ș, T+hook.

Mandrasola is a small sized map in which aspiring thief Thomas Porter steals some herbal products from a smuggler. The mission was created by me, Sotha and I wish to thank Bikerdude, BrokenArts and Ocn for playtesting and voice acting. Thanks goes naturally to everyone contributing and making TDM possible. This mission occurs chronologically before the Knighton's Manor, making it the first mission in the Thomas Porter series. Events in chronological order are: Mandrasola, The Knighton's Manor, The Beleaguered Fence, The Glenham Tower and The Transaction. The winter came early and suddenly this year. Weeks of strong blizzards and extremely harsh cold weather hit Bridgeport hard. With the seas completely frozen, a rare occurence indeed, most of the City harbor commerce has stopped completely. Vessels are stuck in the ice and no ship can leave or enter the City, resulting in the availability imported goods declining and their prices skyrocketing. One of these imported items is Mandrasola, a rare herbal product, which is imported overseas from the far southern continents. Mandrasola has its uses in alchemical cures and poisons, but mostly this substance is used for its narcotic qualities by commoners and even the nobility. The problem with Mandrasola is that excessive use is extremely addicting and the withdrawal effects are most grievious. Many are utterly incapable of stopping using Mandrasola and are transformed into quivering human ruins if they do no get their daily dose. And now this expensive and rare substance is running out from the whole City. Me and my fence, Lark Butternose, would love to grab this monopoly to ourselves: selling the last few doses in the City would probably be worth a fortune. According to Lark's sources, there remains only one smuggling lord who still has Mandrasola in stock. The problem is that this individual maintains an exclusive clandestine operation and only supplies a few nobles. Despite our best information gathering efforts we couldn't learn who the smuggler is and where he or she operates. Luckily we have an alternate plan. While searching for Mandrasola related information, we learned that a noblewoman called Lady Ludmilla is addicted to the substance and has paid high prices for small amounts of it. We also know that she has visited frequently someone in the Tanner's Ward waterfront, and since she goes to the area personally we believe she is visiting the smuggler. The plan is simple: I must monitor Ludmilla's most likely entryway to the Waterfront and then follow her to the smugglers hideout. I'd better be very careful around Ludmilla. She must not realise I'm following her or she probably won't lead me to her dealer. Hurting her is also out of the question. After she leads me to the smuggler's hideout, I can take my time to break in carefully and steal all the Mandrasola I can find. While I'm there it wouldn't be a bad idea to grab some loose valuables as well. I've now waited in the blistering cold for a few hours already. Looks like there are a few city watch patrols in the area to complicate matters... I think I heard a womans voice beyond the north gate. That must be lady Ludmilla, I haven't seen many ladies in these parts. I'd better get ready.. Links: Use the ingame downloader to get it. WARNING! Someone always fails to use spoiler tags. I do not recommend reading any further until you've played the mission.

@Mike__ could you please put this in spoiler tags?

Complaint From Players The player must pick up candles before extinguishing them, and then the player must remember to drop the candle. The player must drag a body before shouldering it (picking it up), and the player must remember to frob again to stop dragging the body. The player finds this annoying or easy to make mistakes. For players who ghost, some of them have the goal of returning objects back to their original positions. With the current "pick up, use item, and drop" system, the item might not return easily or at all to its original position. For example, a candlestick might bounce off its holder. (See player quotes at the bottom.) Bug Tracker https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6316 Problems to Solve How can the "pick up" step be eliminated so that the player can directly use or interact with the item where it is in the game world? How can so much key pressing and mouse clicking be eliminated when the player wants to directly use an item? How can candles be extinguished and lanterns toggled off/on without first picking them up? How can bodies be shouldered without first dragging them? Solution Design Goals Make TDM easier for new players while also improving it for longtime players. Reduce tedious steps for common frob interactions. Make it intuitive so that menu settings are unnecessary. Do not introduce bugs or break the game. Terms frob -- the frob button action happens instantly. hold frob -- the frob button is held for 200ms before the action happens. (This can be changed via cvar: 200ms by default.) Proposed Solution Note: Some issues have been struckthrough to show changes since the patch has been updated. Change how frobbing works for bodies, candles, and lanterns. For bodies: Frob to shoulder (pick up) a body. Second frob to drop shouldered body, while allowing frob on doors, switches, etc. Hold frob (key down) to start drag, continue to hold frob (key down) to drag body, and then release frob (key up) to stop dragging body. Also, a body can be dragged immediately by holding frob and moving the mouse. For candles/lanterns: Frob to extinguish candles and toggle off/on lanterns. Hold frob to pick it up, and then frob again to drop. Frob to pick it up, and then frob again to drop. Hold frob to extinguish candles and toggle off/on lanterns. For food: Frob to pick it up, and then frob again to drop. Hold frob to eat food. For other items: No change. New cvar "tdm_frobhold_delay", default:"200" The frob hold delay (in ms) before drag or extinguish. Set to 0 for TDM v2.11 (and prior) behavior. Solution Benefits Bodies: New players will have less to learn to get started moving knocked out guards. With TDM v2.11 and earlier, some players have played several missions before realizing that they could shoulder a body instead of dragging it long distances. Frob to shoulder body matches Thief, so longtime Thief players will find it familiar. Second frob drops a shouldered body. Players still have the ability to both shoulder and drag bodies. Compatible with the new auto-search bodies feature. Dragging feels more natural -- just grab, hold, and drop with a single button press. There is no longer the need to press the button twice. Also, it's no longer possible to walk away from a body while unintentionally dragging it. Set "tdm_frobhold_delay" cvar to delay of 0 to restore TDM v2.11 (and prior) behavior. Candles: New players will have less to learn to get started extinguishing candles. With TDM v2.11 and earlier, some players didn't know they could extinguish candles by picking them up and using them. Instead, they resorted to throwing them to extinguish them or hiding them. Hold frob to extinguish a candle feels like "pinching" it out. Once a candle is picked up, players still have the ability to manipulate and use them the same way they are used to in TDM v2.11 and earlier. For players who ghost and have the goal of putting objects back to their original positions, they'll have an easier time and not have to deal with candles popping off their holders when trying to place them back carefully. Set "tdm_frobhold_delay" cvar to delay of 0 to restore TDM v2.11 (and prior) behavior. Solution Issues Bodies: Frob does not drop a shouldered body, so that might be unexpected for new players. This is also different than Thief where a second frob will drop a body. "Use Inv. Item" or "Drop Inv. Item" drops the body. This is the same as TDM v2.11 and earlier. This is the price to pay for being able to frob (open/close) doors while shouldering a body. Patch was updated to drop body on second frob, while allowing frob on doors, switches, etc. Candles: Picking up a candle or lantern requires a slight delay, because the player must hold the frob button. The player might unintentionally extinguish a candle while moving it if they hold down frob. The player will need to learn that holding frob will extinguish the candle. The player can change the delay period via the "tdm_frobhold_delay" cvar. Also, when the cvar is set to a delay of 0, the behavior matches TDM v2.11 and earlier, meaning the player would have to first "Frob/Interact" to pick up the candle and then press "Use Inv. Item" to extinguish it. Some players might unintentionally extinguish a candle when they are trying to move it or pick it up. They need to make sure to hold frob to initiate moving the candle. When a candle is unlit, it will highlight but do nothing on frob. That might confuse players. However, the player will likely learn after extinguishing several candles that an unlit candle still highlights. It makes sense that an already-extinguished candle cannot be extinguished on frob. The official "Training Mission" might need to have its instructions updated to correctly guide the player through candle manipulation training. Updating the training mission to include the hold frob to extinguish would probably be helpful. Similar Solutions In Fallout 4, frob uses an item and long-press frob picks it up. Goldwell's mission, "Accountant 2: New In Town", has candles that extinguish on frob without the need of picking them up first. Snatcher's TDM Modpack includes a "Blow / Ignite" item that allows the player to blow out candles Wesp5's Unofficial Patch provides a way to directly extinguish movable candles by frobbing. Demonstration Videos Note: The last two videos don't quite demonstrate the latest patch anymore. But the gist is the same. This feature proposal is best experienced in game, but some demonstration videos are better than nothing. The following videos show either a clear improvement or that the player is not slowed down with the change in controls. For example, "long-press" sounds long, but it really isn't. Video: Body Shouldering and Dragging The purpose of this video is to show that frob to shoulder a body is fast and long-press frob to drag a body is fast enough and accurate. Video: Long-Press Frob to Pick Up Candle The purpose of this video is to show how the long-press frob to pick up a candle isn't really much slower than regular frob. Video: Frob to Extinguish The purpose of this video -- if a bit contrived -- is to show the efficiency and precision of this proposed feature. The task in the video was for the player to as quickly and accurately as possible extinguish candles and put them back in their original positions. On the left, TDM v2.11 is shown. The player has to highlight each candle, press "Frob/Interact" to pick up, press "Use Inv. Item" to extinguish, make sure the candle is back in place, and finally press "Frob/Interact" to drop the candle. The result shows mistakes and candles getting misplaced. On the right, the proposed feature is shown. The player frobs to extinguish the candles. The result shows no mistakes and candles are kept in their original positions. Special Thanks @Wellingtoncrab was instrumental in improving this feature during its early stages. We had many discussions covering varying scenarios, pros, and cons, and how it would affect the gameplay and player experience. Originally, I had a completely different solution that added a special "use modifier" keybinding. He suggested the frob to use and long-press frob to pick up mechanics. I coded it up, gave it a try, and found it to be too good. Without his feedback and patience, this feature wouldn't be as good as it is. Thank you, @Wellingtoncrab! And, of note, @Wellingtoncrab hasn't been able to try it in game yet, because I'm using Linux and can't compile a Windows build for him. So, if this feature isn't good, that's my fault. Code Patch I'll post the code patch in another post below this one so that folks who compile TDM themselves can give this proposal a try in game. And, if you do, I look forward to your feedback! Player Complaints TTLG (2023-01-10) Player 1: TDM Forums (2021-03-13) Player 2: Player 3: TDM Forums (2023-06-17) Player 4: TDM Discord (2021-05-18) Player 5: TDM Discord (2023-02-14) Player 6: Player 7: Player 8:

Ulysses 2: Protecting the Flock By Sotha The mission starts some time after the events of Ulysses: Genesis, and continues the story of Ulysses. It is a medium sized mission with a focus on stealthy assassinations and hostage liberation. BUILD TIME: 12/2014 - 05/2015 CREDITS The TDM Community is thanked for steady supply of excellent mapping advice. Thanks goes also to everyone contributing to TDM! Voice Actors: Goldwell (as Goubert and Ulysses), Goldwell's Girlfriend (as Alis) Betatesters: Airship Ballet, Ryan101. Special Thanks to: Springheel and Melan (for proofreading). Story: Read & listen it in game. Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwR0ORZU5sraRGduUWlVRmtsX3c/view?usp=sharing Other: Spoilers: When discussing, please use spoiler tags, like this: [spoiler] Hidden text. [/spoiler] Mirrors: Could someone put this on TDM ingame downloader? Thanks!

@STiFU Thanks for explanation At first, I thought it was a misunderstanding on your part – but then I tested an old 2.10 HarzardPay – a false memory on my part. Crouching doesn't change the height of sight – it lifts the height of the feet. (which was more important for grabbing crates from the bottom of the silo without leaving the net) [[but the type of my false memory would be pretty cool ! Crouch position -> Stand position would raise the head a little to take a quick look -> back into crouch position to hide. the effect for the feet would remain the same - more space before one touches the ground-floor If so, one could behave as if acting behind a small wall on the ground.]] mmmmh?? thinking about --- one can just move quickly up&down Absolutely, thank you for revisiting the earlier opportunity. will there be an other dev. before release (to test and give response) ? situations to spare room to ground are rare and players may prefer to a quick slide and i am unsure of how Snatchers solution will work . P.S.: Are the feet also responsible for whether the character is visible, or just their head? EDIT : - @STiFU - As long as no head is being raised, it may be of little use to switch between crouching and standing. It makes sense if you can lower yourself slowly (to carefully reach the end of the rope). So - if you used Snatchers' suggestion - the creep function should be implemented with 'Ctrl/strg

Miscellaneous asset fixes done: * More fixes in fonts and better support for Cyrillic and Romanian (post, 6642, 6661). * Added all missing mipmaps in DDS textures (post). * Fixed shop description of slow match (6629). * wood/panels/trim_wood_grunge_moulding_desat: fixed parallax confusion. * models/md5/chars/builders/guard/builder_armor material: brought back specularmap. * textures/darkmod/stone/brick/blocks_light_stained_trimmed material: fixed specularmap. * prefabs/doors/trapdoor_w-padlock prefab: fixed wrong particle (6662). * prefabs/mechanical/switches/wall_lever01 prefab: fixed frobbox of the lever (6060). New assets added: * atdm:ai_undressed_old_man_01: added new character model, including LODs, ragdoll, swappable head. * textures/darkmod/wood/panels/trim_wood_* material: added red variants. * textures/darkmod/wood/panels/panel_decorative_redder_grated material. * textures/darkmod/paint_paper/gold_pedals_* material: added RGB versions. * textures/darkmod/paint_paper/fleur_* material: added RGB versions. * textures/darkmod/stone/brick/red_worn_dirty_trim_wet material. * textures/darkmod/stone/brick/old_bricks_darkgrey_wet material. * models/darkmod/lights/non-extinguishable/painting_downlight model. * models/darkmod/containers/openable/safe_door_003_* and safe_wheel_003: added wall-in-safe door model and prefabs (6590). And there is a big set of assets added by @Wellingtoncrab and @Amadeus from the upcoming mission "Displacement". New models by TDash: * models/darkmod/furniture/beds/rustickingbed with skins DRustBed* * models/darkmod/furniture/seating/darmch1 with skins ArmCh* * models/darkmod/furniture/desk_pagan with skin JPagDesk2 * models/darkmod/furniture/steps_library with skin LibStepup1 * models/darkmod/mechanical/typewriter * models/darkmod/kitchen/wine_bottles_shelved*: versions A, B, C, D * models/darkmod/kitchen/whiskeyglass_silver * models/darkmod/kitchen/bottle_simple_* * models/darkmod/containers/crate_long_* * models/darkmod/containers/crate_simple* * trunk/models/darkmod/containers/wine_crate_03 * models/darkmod/furniture/cabinets/cupboard_* More models: * prefabs/mechanical/switches/red_button prefab along with models/darkmod/mechanical/switches/switch_redbutton* and switch_toggle* models and redbutton_glow* skins * models/darkmod/decorative/statues/bust_emperor_* model (and bust_emperess) * models/darkmod/kitchen/food/bread_loaf*: new versions 02, 03, 04, 05, 06 * models/darkmod/kitchen/food/croissant * models/darkmod/lights/non-extinguishable/streetlamps/streetlamp_iron_01 with skins streetlamp_iron_01_lit, streetlamp_iron_01_unlit * models/darkmod/decorative/trophy_plaque_* * models/darkmod/decorative/stuffed_hart* * models/darkmod/decorative/statues/statue_face_cover* * models/darkmod/loot/loot_golden_goblet* * models/darkmod/loot/loot_golden_vase_* * models/darkmod/decorative/ashtray * models/darkmod/decorative/cigar* with skins cigar and cigar_unlit * models/darkmod/loot/loot_crystalore* (and loot_rareore) New skins: * cabinet1_* for furniture: versions A, B, C * book_sp1_gold_crest for various books Stone, cobblestone, brick materials: * textures/darkmod/stone/brick/bricks_old_light* * textures/darkmod/stone/brick/blocks_sandstone_grime_trimmed * textures/darkmod/stone/brick/blocks_concrete_small_trimmed2 * textures/darkmod/stone/cobblestones/flagstones_bricks_multicolored* * textures/darkmod/stone/flat/tile_dirty_terracotta * textures/darkmod/stone/flat/tile_herringbone_grime* * textures/darkmod/stone/flat/tile_checkered_grime_tricolor* * textures/darkmod/stone/flat/tile_checkered_grime_small* * textures/darkmod/stone/natural/gravel_multi_color Other materials materials: * textures/darkmod/paint_paper/wallpaper_grunge_* * textures/darkmod/plaster/plaster_worn_painted_peeling_autumnal* * textures/darkmod/roof/rooftiles_clay_red_decorative* * textures/darkmod/wood/boards/planks_floor_* * lights/watercaustics01

OK, the Briefings are essentially done. As I said before, content is now distributed into 3 pages, instead of the original 2. Also, I’ve been using “\n\n” to separate paragraphs. This provides “air” between paragraphs, and also makes it easy to fit yet more text on a given page if necessary by combining paragraphs. I needed to that only once (for German). There are additional specific-character changes that I applied manually, but in the future the AI could be told to do (i.e., not generate unwanted characters). I’m discussing these in the context of AI-generated Briefings, but they are more widely applicable, including to the [English] section. * Replace long dash “–“ (U+2013) with short dash. * Replace single-character ellipsis … with 3 individual dots. * Replace double quotes with single quotes. * Replace directional single quotes (namely ‘ and ’, including latter as apostrophe) with non-directional. Regarding double quotes, replacing them with single quotes is generally best. However, you can in some cases retain a non-directional double quote, but you’d have to escape it (with preceding \ ), and I vaguely recall that doesn’t work under all use cases. Russian has directional double-angle marks as quotes, which you can use. TDM’s ”english” (European) character map repurposes the Latin-1 double-angle codepoints for other purposes. Be aware that the default briefing font renders a straight single quote as if directional. Turning to shortcomings of the default Briefing font (scaled from Carleton 24pt), certain glyphs were never implemented and appear as squares (or artifacts) on-screen. At codepoints 9c-9e (Polish lower-case n with accent, Romanian lower-case s & t with descenders). Likely upper-case 8c-8e are also problematic. Possibilities of what to do: The long-term system-level solution is to complete the font’s character coverage. Awaiting that, you could just leave the FM with the squares/artifacts. In the FM strings, replace these characters with their unaccented base letters. As an interim system-level fix, update the font’s DAT, to replace these characters with their unaccented base letters. For Air Pocket, I’ll do either (1 - awaiting) or (2) at this time. Finally, for Spanish, the TDM standard english/european character map does not support the inverted exclamation mark: ¡. Three FM workarounds: Drop the leading ¡ but retain the trailing !. Make the sentence non-exclamatory, replacing also the trailing ! with a period. (This is what I generally chose.) Likewise drop both marks, but also capitalize the phrase to indicate shouting.

Greetings everyone! I recently got into TDM and am already having a lot of fun playing through and ghosting missions. However, coming from Thief, I am mostly relying on the rules and my experience with that game, while there are clearly differences in how TDM works. Right now, there is talk in the ghosting discussion thread on TTLG to amend the ruleset and include clarifications pertaining to TDM. So I wanted to drop by and ask: is there an active TDM ghosting community already and have any rules for this playstyle been developed? I would also like to ask someone to take a look at the draft of this addendum to see whether everything looks correct: https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148487&page=16&p=2473352&viewfull=1#post2473352 Thanks!

So I am on Win10 en-gb and the character that seem to be causing the issue is Apostrophe. How would this be any different between us and UK english.?

Changelog of 2.14 development: beta214-02 (17456-11132) * Fixed bow shooting crash caused by penis committing suicide (6663 thread). * Fixed guards getting stuck after frequent save/loads (6276). * Added new controls scheme for frob/interaction (6658 post). * It is now possible to slowly open/close doors (6668 post). * New behavior of crouch on ladder/rope (6667). * Surface hit sounds for blackjack and shortsword made better (6641). * Fixed gaps in some door hinge models (6671). * Fixed wardrobe_open clipping through frame, renamed prefab to pfbx (6272). * Increased radius of AAS visualization tool. * Added editor description for efx_preset spawnarg. * Some initialization cleanup in brittle fracture decals spawning (6588). beta214-01 (17445-11121) * A lot of new assets added by @Wellingtoncrab and @Amadeus from Displacement mission. * Now blinded guards without facemask helmet can be knocked out from any direction (6635). * Added walk-in-safe door model (6590). * Fixed shadow culling bug with volumetric lights (post). * Fixed various deviations in smoke particle generation from the other particle generation (6309). * Some stim/response timer now uses game time instead of CPU clocks. * Reduced job system overhead and implemented adaptive chunking for r_useParallelAddModels (6650). * Fixed main menu choiceDef elements promoting linked cvar mission override into user value. * Font improvements for Cyrillic and Romanian (6642, 6661). * Mark complete missions with checkmark in mission downloader (6659). * Added sys.unsetcvar script event (6655). * Added setting to not select the item on pick up (6653). * Removed collision from func_cameraTarget (6654). * Added inv_icon for ore crystal model. * Fixed wrong particle in trapdoor_w-padlock prefab (6662). * Fixed lever frobbox in wall_lever01 prefab (6060). * Fixed editor description of lock_picktype spawnarg (5473). * Testmap prefab now includes slowfall potion and gasmine. * Minor stability fix in AAS compiler (6660). * Fixed UV on model pier_house (6652). * OpenAL build recipe adjusted for CMake 4 (6618). dev17389-11070 * Now portal_dist is multiplied by LOD modifier like hide_distance. * Fixed dynamically started looping sounds with leadin, including main menu ones (6647). * Readded _menuLastGameFrame feature to show in-game screenshot in the main menu. Also fixed several related one-frame glitches (6608). * Fixed parallel lights and shadows from backfaces in light estimate system. Static particle collisions also hit backfaces now (6649). * Fixed saving/loading the special liquid model. * Added mirrorResolutionFactor material parameter for low-res mirroring surfaces (5485). * Added remoteResolution material parameter to set resolution of a remote screen (5485). * Use scissor to optimize mirror surfaces that are small on screen (5485). * Automatically lower resolution of remote screen if it's small on screen (5485). * Added "Full" level of detail in settings for maximum detail. * Fixed next campaign mission not starting if some menu screens were disabled (6648, post). * Fixed shortsword name in tdm_campaign.def (post). * Freeze LOD when debug r_lockView cvar is used. dev17380-11030 * Fixed HUD rendering while compass is active (6644, 6593). * Now runtime-projected decals can be interact with lights (5867). * Fixed GUI of wrong mission being shown sometimes in campaigns (thread). dev17376-11017 * Added new character model: atdm:ai_undressed_old_man_01. Includes LODs, ragdoll, swappable head. * Fixed some potential memory issues, more cautious floating point compiler settings. * Don't allow func_fracture to spawn decals too fast (6588). * Changed starting frame of the walk1.md5anim so it blends better with idle animations (post). * Updated walk.md5anim animation to fix incorrect arm rotation (post). () * Builder guard will now use walk.md5anim animation. * Replaced animations idle_turn_90_lft.md5anim and idle_turn_90_rgt.anim (post). * Disabled "shifting" idle animations during walking (post). * Proper sounds will be played on certain frames where idle animations replacement were used. * Brought back specularmap in "builder_armor" material. * Fixed specularmap on blocks_light_stained_trimmed. * In training mission, removed errant clip brush and fixed hidden gas arrows. dev17343-11008 * AI should now notice absence and blood markers again (6623). * Most visual stims are now more frequent, at least 2 times per second (6546). * Fixed performance issue of infinite decals on brittle fracture (6588). * Hopefully, dmap no longer leaves out-of-date files around (thread). * Fixed parallax confusion on wood/panels/trim_wood_grunge_moulding_desat. * Fixed shop description of slow match (6629). * Added red variants of trim_wood and panel_decorative materials. * Added new paint_paper materials (fleur, gold). * Added old_bricks_darkgrey_wet, red_worn_dirty_trim_wet, painting_downlight.ase. dev17332-10999 * Fixed Linux crash when material with custom shader is loaded during gameplay (6510). * Completely disabled old light estimate system (6546). * Now it is possible to use larger mesh models... at least static ones. * Ported some more fixes from dhewm3 repo: mostly warnings and uninitialized memory use. dev17330-10984 * Tonemapping is now applied to game frame only, HUD and menu are not affected. Includes major & breaking changes in X-ray implementation (6606). * Now engine defines macros TDM_VERSION/TDM_REVISION/TDM_VERSION_FULL in game scripts and GUI. * Added all missing mipmaps in DDS textures (post). * Fixed crash from having many localization packs (6611). * Fixed comments parsing and automatic collision model for OBJ models (6610). * Ported some fixes from dhewm3 repo: save/load, snprintf, bad memset, some RenderSystem shutdown fixes. * Fixed number = 1 in inventory GUI on non-stackable items (thread). * More fixes in fonts (post). * Added cvar r_ssao_insubview which enables SSAO inside subviews. * Split oversized tdm_modelsXX.pk4 packages into more pieces. Known problems: * Compass breaks player HUD (thread). Changelog of earlier versions can be found here.

I've read about this before here on the forums, even when the contest had just recently concluded, but reading about it in greater detail years later is certainly interesting. Thank you. It's a pity that it was mostly the marketing people who were involved on the Square Enix side, as I had the impression it was also the devs at EM that had played Requiem and all the other submitted missions and really liked them. I suppose it was as well, but the TDM team mostly heard from the marketing people. Yes, I wanted to note that as well. I even remember how the people over here in the TDM forums were sort of laughing at the fact that the results of the contest were favourable to TDM and had, in a sense, "proven" TDM as a worthy freeware successor to the Thief IP, with all the modding and mapping tools at one's disposal and so on, whereas Thief 4 or Thi4f or whatever Square Enix were calling it at that point, offered no such possibilities. The entire contest, while no doubt declared in good will and something I actually appreciated seeing, was such a self-own for Square Enix, ultimately to the detriment of them trying to bring back and market the reboot of an older IP. Even if Thief 2014 was a terrific reboot (which I doubt it would ever be), it would still have been hampered by people learning about modding being impossible, and looking to the trilogy and to TDM instead, to make new Thief-style stealth gaming content. Still, I appreciate they recognized the quality's of Moonbo's Requiem FM. Given many retrospectives I've seen over the years, gradually, on the 2014 Thief reboot attempt, one thing a surprising amount of them shared was noting how the game didn't feel cohesive in concept and execution, at any point. Not only not to the same level as the Thief trilogy, but also not even at the level when you consider it as an individual game, a new game on its own. Errant Signal, who's not some deep Thief fan, replayed the older games and played the reboot back when it came out, and made this exact observation already a decade ago. The reboot was just all over the place, in every department, felt clearly unfinished or rushed, and the most interesting story would be the behind the scenes at Eidos Montreal, on how mismanaged the entire project became over the course of several years. I think it's telling that, while even heavily discounted on GOG.com, Thief 2014 hasn't been selling well there, nor attracting much interest, whereas the original trilogy sells for figurative (and sometimes literal) cents on that same site - you can buy the whole trilogy for a smaller price than the reboot, which is kind of hilarious - and continues to have great sales and is considered one of the all-time bestsellers. Same here. I concur with demagogue that the actual Eidos Montreal devs behind Thief 2014, at least those who cared enough to make it at least somewhat presentable and playable - even if the actual game directors never got their act together and never decided on a consistent design approach - those would have been much more interesting to be in contact with, even regarding the fan mission contest. The sad truth of the matter is that all too many big publishers these days, especially those formed through larger mergers, like the Eidos buyout by Square Enix, are often marketing-first, interest in developers, and veteran players and new players alike, second. I still remember the sheer amount of money spent on pointless external marketing for Thief 2014, all the while that reboot attempt never really coalesced into anything that felt consistent (rather than throwing everything at the wall, in a panic, hoping something would stick), and was also plagued by all manner of technical issues. Just an overall embarassment, and I'm not surprised that even very lenient-leaning game retrospectives of that reboot attempt. The fact that the Thief IP has been sold away to Nordic Games and Embracer in more recent years, with Square Enix no longer caring about it and other older game IPs, also says a lot. Given the Embracer Group's own woes and bad decisions, I'm not sure any new development team will ever attempt another installment of Thief, even if it was a second reboot attempt.

Glad I came to the forums to check out more details about this mission after playing. I was a little confused by a Bikerdude FM only taking 10mins to run through haha. Knowing it's a tech/build demo means I'm not going to spend the next hour or so looping through it trying to figure out if I missed a secret Krampus area or encounter xD.

For the people eager to play with the latest state of development, two things are provided: regular dev builds source code SVN repository Development builds are created once per a few weeks from the current trunk. They can be obtained via tdm_installer. Just run the installer, check "Get Custom Version" on the first page, then select proper version in "dev" folder on the second page. Name of any dev version looks like devXXXXX-YYYY, where XXXXX and YYYY are SVN revision numbers from which the build was created. The topmost version in the list is usually the most recent one. Note: unless otherwise specified, savegames are incompatible between any two versions of TDM! Programmers can obtain source code from SVN repository. Trunk can be checked out from here: https://svn.thedarkmod.com/publicsvn/darkmod_src/trunk/ SVN root is: https://svn.thedarkmod.com/publicsvn/darkmod_src Build instructions are provided inside repository. Note that while you can build executable from the SVN repository, TDM installation of compatible version is required to run it. Official TDM releases are compatible with source code archives provided on the website, and also with corresponding release tags in SVN. A dev build is compatible with SVN trunk of revision YYYY, where YYYY is the second number in its version (as described above). If you only want to experiment with the latest trunk, using the latest dev build gives you the maximum chance of success. P.S. Needless to say, all of this comes with no support. Although we would be glad if you catch and report bugs before the next beta phase starts

An update. Like the Briefing, the Objectives menu relies on the Carleton 24pt font. Characters missing from this font, affecting the Romanian and Polish renderings, were mentioned a week ago. Also missing is the "a with ring above" character (0xe5 in the TDM map), affecting the Danish rendering. I've decided in all these cases to leave the full translation in "all.lang" as a comment, and provide in-game text with the base characters as replacements. Also in this font, the German lower-case "ß" (Eszett) (0xDF in iso-8859-1) is present in TDM's charmap at that point, but the provided glyph is full-height. The height should be that of other lower-case characters... it needs to be scaled down in the font's DAT file. (This font's lower-case characters appear as scaled down upper case. So this is in keeping with that.) Note: Recall the Objectives text size is adjustable using the HUD settings. Fortunately, it's set to a maximum size by default (a slider value of 1.0 applied to a base textscale value of 0.27). So, it would seem this is not an additional source of overflow worry for us. Marching through the languages continues.

You can ask people to test your mission here, but the beta tresting should be in this other section: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/forum/59-tdm-mission-beta-testing/ Read also: I think it's so that there are no spoilers in view for new regular players.

Okay. Let me know if you'd need any lines for a minor character or anything of the sort.

I was cautious because I didn't want it to be perceived that I was using The Dark Mod Forums to promote my mod but I get your point - we're all in this together. Over the years we've had a few different team members, but for the past few months it's mostly been just me and one other person. The Thieves Guild project started a long time ago, when Rune was still popular. We liked Thief and we also liked Rune so we combined the two games together. We incorporated all of the cloak & dagger elements from Thief but we also wanted our thief to be able to fight like a Viking. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely a thief/stealth game. Through the 20 or so missions, we tell a story about a thief working for the local thieves' guild, operating within a dark and corrupt city. Under the cover of night, you are assigned a series of dangerous missions - success is rewarded with valuable items, increased wealth, and greater prestige from within the guild. To survive, you must move silently through shadowed alleyways, scale heavily guarded buildings, bypass deadly traps, and pick stubborn locks - all while avoiding detection by the city watch and roaming night patrols. One misstep can mean capture, failure, or worse. In this city, survival belongs to those who remain unseen. Thieves Guild was designed to be played on a computer using a keyboard and mouse. Rune uses the Unreal Engine 1. I'm glad you liked what you saw in "The Dark Side Edition Trailer". This video is a walk-through of The Training Mission.

For the re-distribution of briefing text, I thought about basing it on char count, but instead took an easier approach: Move to 2 sentences from the end of page 1 to the start of page 2, then 2 sentences from the end of page 2 to the (empty) page 3. The original page 1 was jam-packed, while the original page 2 was not, so I was less concerned with the latter. This will still need to be verified next time I generate the *.lang files, to make sure there is no truncation at any page bottom. (I had to do the re-distribution for each language, but if I'd done a slimming redistribution of the English early-on, that might have been enough to carry through to other languages. Or possible the AI could manage the redistribution, if you give it a character or word count target. Conjecturally a target around 550 characters per page might work well with the current briefing GUI. I'd ask it not to split sentences.). That leaves the Objectives and Messages to do next.

============== -= IRIS =- ============== WELLINGTONCRAB TDM v 2.11 REQ Ver. 1.3 *For Maureen* -=- "Carry the light of the Builder, Brother. Unto its end." -Valediction of the Devoted "What year is this? Am I dreaming?" -Plea of the Thief Dear Iris, I am old and broken. When we were young it felt like the words came easily. Now I find the ink has long dried on the pen and I'm as wanting for words as coin in my purse. I can tell we are nearing the end of the tale; time enough for one more job before the curtain call... ============== -Installation- Requires minimum version of TDM 2.11 **Dev build dev17056-10800 (2.13) fixes several visual effects which have been broken in the mission since the release of 2.11. For that reason playing with that version or later is currently recommended** -Iris does not support mods or the Unofficial Patch- Download and place the following .pk4 into you FMs directory: Iris Download ============== *Thank you for playing. Iris is a large mission which can either take as quickly or as long as you are compelled to play. I hope someone out there enjoys it and this initial release is not completely busted - I tried the best I could!* *Iris both is and isn't what it seems. If commenting please use spoiler tags where appropriate. If you are not certain if it would be appropriate a good assumption would be to use a spoiler tag* *Support TDM by rating missions on Thief Guild: https://www.thiefguild.com/* ============== WITH LASTING GRATITUDE: OBSTORTTE - Whose gameplay scripts from his thread laid the foundation which made the mission seem like something I could even pull off at all. Also fantastic tutorial videos! DRAGOFER - Who built upon that foundation and made it shine even brighter! And whom also provided immeasurable quantities of help and encouragement the past couple years on the TDM discord. ORBWEAVER & GIGAGOOGA - For generously offering their ambient music up for use. EPIFIRE - Who lent me his fine trash and trash receptacle models. AMADEUS - Who was the first person who wasn't me to play the damn thing and provided his excellent editorial services to improving the readers experience playing TESTERS AND TROUBLESHOOTERS: AMADEUS * DATISWOUS * SPOOKS * ALUMINUMHASTE * JAXA * JACKFARMER * WESP5 * ATE0ATE * MADTAFFER * STGATILOV * DRAGOFER * KINGSAL * KLATREMUS - What can I possibly say? Playing this thing over and over again could not have been easy. Deepest thanks and all apologies. -=THANKS TO ALL ON THE TDM DISCORD AND FORUM=- ==SEE README.TXT FOR ADDITIONAL ATTRIBUTIONS & INFORMATION== HONORABLE MENTION: GOLDWELL - If I hadn't by chance stumbled into Northdale back in 2018/2019 I would probably still be trying to get this thing to work in TDS, which means it probably would not exist - though more details on that in readme. ============== Boring Technical Information: *Iris is a performance intensive mission and I recommend a GTX 1060 or equivalent. I find the performance similar to other demanding TDM missions on my machine, but mileage may vary and my apologies if this prevents anyone from enjoying the mission.* *Iris heavily modifies the behavior of AI in the game, how they relate/respond to each other and the player. So they may act even stranger than they do typically in TDM. Feedback on this is useful - as it can potentially be improved and expanded upon in future patches.* -=- This is my first release and it has been a long time coming! If I forgot anything please let me know! God Speed. 2.10 Features Used:

We know. There is already a support topic for that. https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/22533-tdm-for-diii4a-support-topic/ And earlier: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/16672-trying-to-run-tdm-on-android/ And other systems: https://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=Installer_and_Manual_Installation#Other_Systems

I guess this is basic stuff for you talented model-boys but now I've trudged for several hours without results and from what I have read in several forums/threads, it's even not that trivial. Therefore I dare to start a thread... I've download some models from the web but these come in some new and fancy format; (FBX, USD etc) not exactly the old and brittle format that we use in TDM So to import these into DarkRadiant I need to convert these to lwo or ASE, right? How do people go about this? I have tried to: - install Blender 5.0 and added an ASE-exporter plugin. Blender actually puts out an ASE-file but as I try to open it in DR, the model is only showed as that checkerboard error-box. Do I need to tinker with the model in a text editor first? I read something about changing something about a BITMAP-line... - use an ancient version (7.0) version of Lightwave but that program cannot even open the files (Not surprising)...

This guy.

I'll probably try Thief 3 for the first time in forever after snobel finishes making a Linux version of Sneaky Upgrade. https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138607&page=82 https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153010