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Noob question: In the following wiki page Material_Files#Create_a_new_Texture_Definition it states: Why would you need the path in the name? I see this a lot in material files, but technically this doesn't seem to be needed. If you use material name "dirty_water" for example, tdm and DR load it fine.

For the people eager to play with the latest state of development, two things are provided: regular dev builds source code SVN repository Development builds are created once per a few weeks from the current trunk. They can be obtained via tdm_installer. Just run the installer, check "Get Custom Version" on the first page, then select proper version in "dev" folder on the second page. Name of any dev version looks like devXXXXX-YYYY, where XXXXX and YYYY are SVN revision numbers from which the build was created. The topmost version in the list is usually the most recent one. Note: unless otherwise specified, savegames are incompatible between any two versions of TDM! Programmers can obtain source code from SVN repository. Trunk can be checked out from here: https://svn.thedarkmod.com/publicsvn/darkmod_src/trunk/ SVN root is: https://svn.thedarkmod.com/publicsvn/darkmod_src Build instructions are provided inside repository. Note that while you can build executable from the SVN repository, TDM installation of compatible version is required to run it. Official TDM releases are compatible with source code archives provided on the website, and also with corresponding release tags in SVN. A dev build is compatible with SVN trunk of revision YYYY, where YYYY is the second number in its version (as described above). If you only want to experiment with the latest trunk, using the latest dev build gives you the maximum chance of success. P.S. Needless to say, all of this comes with no support. Although we would be glad if you catch and report bugs before the next beta phase starts

Is it possible to adjust the scale of a texture in the skin file? When I try to make a skin, the result is too big (the stones are too big/the scale is to large).

@Arcturus ...and this result is the source for the painting material/texture: The torso of the Builder's body got somehow corrupted during import, it looked as if there is something missing (or had already been eaten by the zombies). I just put two brushes with a similar texture into the body. After applying a filter, one does not really see it anymore.

@JackFarmerHere is an example of model def modified so that it displays a t-pose (or "af-pose") in DR: Frankly - I don't why the display pose in DR isn't a t-pose as that is how models spawn in the game - so this would make things like binding items to ai precisely a whole lot easier - but that is a an aside. It does make me thing of another way though - which if you only need a model with a static pose - you could create said pose on an uncorrupted model in blender - then export the pose as an .md5anim, then make a model def inheriting the actual model you want and point the anim_idle at your new pose. Then when you place the model in DR it should be posed as you like and you can position and export the model.

I have been told with the right archaic software there is a way, but with blender there is only pain. I will not say this is correct or easy, and would love to hear of an easier way, but I have “fixed” several md5 meshes by exporting a clean version of the model def from DR as an ase. The model def is what you actually see in the editor and appears uncorrupted, thus the output from dr is uncorrupted. You should make a copy of the model def and use a text editor to change its display pose to be the t-pose before exporting it. When you import that in blender it will be clean, but it will have no skeleton, no bones or joints, and no weight painting, which means it won’t animate. So you have to go through the corrupted mesh, and on the broken parts transfer their bone data to the equivalent part of your clean mesh. On the clean mesh add the skeleton modifier and point it at the same skeleton as the corrupted mesh. You then have to transfer or redo the weight painting - which is a whole thing. For the purpose of posing you may be able to use the auto generate weight paint feature using the skeleton - this probably wouldn’t be sufficient for compatibility with the games animations, but it will let you manipulate the model. Apologies in advance. Once you do it once or twice you make a kind of peace with it I suppose.

============== -= IRIS =- ============== WELLINGTONCRAB TDM v 2.11 REQ Ver. 1.3 *For Maureen* -=- "Carry the light of the Builder, Brother. Unto its end." -Valediction of the Devoted "What year is this? Am I dreaming?" -Plea of the Thief Dear Iris, I am old and broken. When we were young it felt like the words came easily. Now I find the ink has long dried on the pen and I'm as wanting for words as coin in my purse. I can tell we are nearing the end of the tale; time enough for one more job before the curtain call... ============== -Installation- Requires minimum version of TDM 2.11 **Dev build dev17056-10800 (2.13) fixes several visual effects which have been broken in the mission since the release of 2.11. For that reason playing with that version or later is currently recommended** -Iris does not support mods or the Unofficial Patch- Download and place the following .pk4 into you FMs directory: Iris Download ============== *Thank you for playing. Iris is a large mission which can either take as quickly or as long as you are compelled to play. I hope someone out there enjoys it and this initial release is not completely busted - I tried the best I could!* *Iris both is and isn't what it seems. If commenting please use spoiler tags where appropriate. If you are not certain if it would be appropriate a good assumption would be to use a spoiler tag* *Support TDM by rating missions on Thief Guild: https://www.thiefguild.com/* ============== WITH LASTING GRATITUDE: OBSTORTTE - Whose gameplay scripts from his thread laid the foundation which made the mission seem like something I could even pull off at all. Also fantastic tutorial videos! DRAGOFER - Who built upon that foundation and made it shine even brighter! And whom also provided immeasurable quantities of help and encouragement the past couple years on the TDM discord. ORBWEAVER & GIGAGOOGA - For generously offering their ambient music up for use. EPIFIRE - Who lent me his fine trash and trash receptacle models. AMADEUS - Who was the first person who wasn't me to play the damn thing and provided his excellent editorial services to improving the readers experience playing TESTERS AND TROUBLESHOOTERS: AMADEUS * DATISWOUS * SPOOKS * ALUMINUMHASTE * JAXA * JACKFARMER * WESP5 * ATE0ATE * MADTAFFER * STGATILOV * DRAGOFER * KINGSAL * KLATREMUS - What can I possibly say? Playing this thing over and over again could not have been easy. Deepest thanks and all apologies. -=THANKS TO ALL ON THE TDM DISCORD AND FORUM=- ==SEE README.TXT FOR ADDITIONAL ATTRIBUTIONS & INFORMATION== HONORABLE MENTION: GOLDWELL - If I hadn't by chance stumbled into Northdale back in 2018/2019 I would probably still be trying to get this thing to work in TDS, which means it probably would not exist - though more details on that in readme. ============== Boring Technical Information: *Iris is a performance intensive mission and I recommend a GTX 1060 or equivalent. I find the performance similar to other demanding TDM missions on my machine, but mileage may vary and my apologies if this prevents anyone from enjoying the mission.* *Iris heavily modifies the behavior of AI in the game, how they relate/respond to each other and the player. So they may act even stranger than they do typically in TDM. Feedback on this is useful - as it can potentially be improved and expanded upon in future patches.* -=- This is my first release and it has been a long time coming! If I forgot anything please let me know! God Speed. 2.10 Features Used:

@Wellingtoncrab@JackFarmer I tried exporting with Scripts > Export ASE. That won't work. You have to use File > Export Selected as Model. I swapped zombie_idle.md5anim with af_pose.md5anim to get the T-pose. This might be a better way of dealing with broken md5 models. Instead of redoing weights you can transfer the shape from one model to another as Shape Keys > Join as Shapes: You'll need to apply it before exporting.

Well, I have faith in greed so I don't see why that would ever happen. They want people making games because that's a potential product. Now that every corpo is doing the profit sharing model any corpos that opt out of that model are going to fail overnight. How is what I'm suggesting not a thief clone in Cryengine? Why have people learn a new editor if the files the current editor creates can be made compatible? I mean sure, we can start by just making a thief clone and letting people muck around in Cryengine to hack together missions, but I don't see why the scope should be limited to a hacked together solution.

https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134733

@Arcturus Victory! Posed model in a tentative environment:

Hmm yeah newdark also works for both thief 1 and 2 and also the gold version it seems. https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=141148 latest version seems to be from 2019.

@JackFarmer Original model's origin is between feet, yours is in the center. When exporting from Darkradiant select "Use Origin of Entity".

We have been collecting textures for 4+ years, by nearly a dozen different people. It is inevitable that some textures will not stand up well in terms of quality. This thread is the place to nominate textures you think are poor and should be either fixed or removed. The following process will be followed (we are currently on step 1):

So I thought I had found a new and BETTER way of creating lit/selflit windows for TDM, but discovered fairly quickly that some window textures are already using this mething, but that unfortunaly the vast majority are not. The aformerntioned method is that we use the stock material def for the frame (so you retain the diffuse & bumpmap details), and then only 'blend add' the lit window panes which are a separate texture. An example stock texture that uses this method already - textures/darkmod/window/wooden_frame01/wooden_frame01_lit What we have above is an overlay of JUST the window panes, and its just this texture that is RGB boosted! I don't know why we HAVENT been doing this in the core mod all this time, and to quote @nbohr1more"Boosting the diffuse is a pretty poor way to achieve that effect." And unfortunately a LOT of the core window textures are using this poor method instead of the window pane overlay method. Ive already spent some time in establishments of lower affairs (the line from the gatehouse popped into my head, heh), making overlay versions for frost_salamander for his recently released FM. Please see the zip arcdhive below. @Amadeus has already had a look at and used some, in his upcoming wip - - https://drive.google.com/file/d/11168eiBj_m-Lu5d-8FLYUgM7J1MC_92h/view?usp=sharing So @Amadeus suggested that I list all the window textures that need looking at. I haven't included the ones I have already fixed in the wip archive above - textures/darkmod/window/diamond_pattern02/diamond_pattern02_*** - the lit versions from this series have a diffuse that is basically black, but thankfully the unlit version has a diffuse that can be used. textures/darkmod/window/ornate/stained_colourful_dirty textures/darkmod/window/ornate/stained_colourful_dirty2 textures/darkmod/window/pointedtop_big01/pointedtop_big01_*** - there are lit versions in this series, but they are not using any diffuse/bump. So these are perfect to use as overlays as they are. textures/darkmod/window/diamond_pattern01_*** textures/darkmod/window/diamond_pattern_andbars01_*** - So these are good candidates to be used as overlays with some tweaking, but we need a much better diffuse/bump. textures/darkmod/window/largesquare01_barelylit - poster child of why this thread was created, all the lit versions of this series are just RGB boosting the diffuse. textures/darkmod/window/roundtop_diamond_pattern01_*** textures/darkmod/window/simple_square01_***- this series also has very poor cropping on the edges. textures/darkmod/window/smallpanels_4w_dirty01_*** - this series has diffuse that is basically black. textures/darkmod/window/smallpanels_4w_dirty02_*** - this series has diffuse that is basically black. textures/darkmod/window/smallpanels_4w_dirty03_*** - this series has diffuse that is basically black. textures/darkmod/window/smallpanels_industrial_mesh_selflit textures/darkmod/window/square_pattern01_*** - this series needs a complete overhaul.

@ArcturusI do it all the time - but I place the model def not the ai entity. I believe it gets placed as a func_anim if you do that.

This static dude (I need this stuff for paintings) misses the correct skins/textures even if I simply re-import the unrigged mesh: He should wear the blue acolyte dress. Is there a generic way to fix this? I am really having a hard time understanding the logic behind the material/texture/skin dependencies.

On the upside this might make some people actually happy: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/profile/34053-xolvix/&status=4090&type=status

Yes, I guess I'll have to adjust the texture on the model. But even so, it would be nice to have a way to adjust the scale via the skin file... Maybe something that could be implemented?

Is the scale of the original material not also big? I think you're suposed to either scale the texture, or do the texture scaling in a material file (if possible).

I have a hard time understand why you (and some others) choke over it so much. If people want a save restriction, let them have it. I do think that using one of the 3 difficulty slots for that restriction is a poor choice. There are better ways.

Like Arcturus said materials names do not need to be a real path to a texture. Thou afaik Radiant (and probably DR?) uses it to display it in a virtual folder tree in the editor, meaning if is a single word, it shows up in the root of the media window.

So following on from the conversation here - Here is the first draft of a basic block-out of that church, if there is interest I will complete the creation info a flashed out prefab and model - church.pfbx

I honestly don't remember what I was doing, and I think I noticed the problem a good bit after it happened because I was working in a different section of the map when I noticed it. I thought maybe it could be something to do with exporting as model, because you can choose 0,0,0 origin for it. But that's kind of difficult to do by accident and then not notice it until later.