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#276 kano

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Posted 04 July 2018 - 12:16 PM

https://www.theverge...droid-bloatware

 

That screenshot at the top of the article says it all.



#277 Abusimplea

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Posted 04 July 2018 - 12:40 PM

So they write stuff like "THE BLIGHT OF UNDESIRED SOFTWARE AND PROMPTS IS ALL AROUND US", but on the same page show me a half-screen high overlay asking me to accept unneeded cookies...

Credibility level: Politician



#278 kano

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Posted 04 July 2018 - 12:43 PM

Yeah those cookie things are really annoying. You can thank the EU for that. But even in the US, where anything goes when it comes to corporations invading privacy for increased profits, we still see them. You would think they could filter us out by IP or something.

 

And if you run the browser in "always use private browsing mode", you see them every time you visit the site, since it can't write a cookie acknowledging that you saw the message.



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Posted 04 July 2018 - 01:02 PM

Funny thing is, if you don't opt in for cookies then they have to keep nagging you each time you visit because they can't create a cookie to say you've opted out unless you opt in! :D



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Posted 04 July 2018 - 02:25 PM

I have the Stylish addon installed and do add the apropriate CSS to my personal anti-nagdialog file. So i will never see this one again.
But the joke here is, that such nag dialogs are not even GDPR compatible. If they need to ask (because the data collection is not a technical necessity or required by law), they also need to provide the option of using the service without collecting the data. The prohibition of consent bundling is the revolutionary new part of the GDPR (besides the possibility of heavy fines). It is the first "data protection" law featuring this rather new concept. So no, GDPR is not at fault here.
 
My anti-nag CSS file:

*[id*=cookie], *[class*=cookie], .pea_cook_wrapper {
  display: none !important;
}
html[id*=cookie], html[class*=cookie], body[id*=cookie], body[class*=cookie] {
  display: block !important;
}
.site-message--banner, .cc_container--open, .unsupported-browser, #update-browser-banner {
  display: none !important;
}
#js-gdpr-consent-banner, #privacy-consent {
  display: none !important;
}

You see, that it is rather small. That is because i also use the uMatrix addon to block JavaScript and 3rd-party stuff by default (wich also removes almost all advertisings and makes the web super fast).



#281 Fidcal

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Posted 05 July 2018 - 12:47 AM

Yeah, I also block javascript by default. The speed difference is massive and underlines how much bloat travels around the www because most sites work without it. On the rare occasions I use Internet Explorer, I often think it's crashed it's so slow (dunno about the new Edge is it called?)

 

As for the GDPR, what you say, does that mean websites must by default provide a working service without cookies? I thought they could insist. I believe it was Yahoo search I noticed the other day said something like 'if you don't agree to opt in, you can't use our service.' (So I didn't.)

 

About that anti-nag css, does that mean it will prevent you allowing cookies on all such (nagging) websites even those where you want (normal) cookies?



#282 Abusimplea

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Posted 05 July 2018 - 08:23 AM

Yeah, I also block javascript by default. The speed difference is massive and underlines how much bloat travels around the www because most sites work without it. On the rare occasions I use Internet Explorer, I often think it's crashed it's so slow (dunno about the new Edge is it called?)

Microsoft's browsers where among the first having settings for blocking JavaScript (this is not an endorsement).

As you already block javaScript, try to also block all 3rd party requests by default too (uMatrix addon recommended). You will have to tailor your settings the first few weeks until you have more permissive rules for the big sites and blogs you want to keep working. But the web gets even faster.

 

As for the GDPR, what you say, does that mean websites must by default provide a working service without cookies? I thought they could insist. I believe it was Yahoo search I noticed the other day said something like 'if you don't agree to opt in, you can't use our service.' (So I didn't.)

They have to provide service without cookies that are not technically required. If they provide a login, also providing a session cookie storing your serssion ID is okay. They do not have to ask about that, because it is technically implied (but they have to mention it in their privacy policy text, wich they do not have to shove into your face - providing a link in the menu is fine).
But if the cookie is for some marketing or other tracking stuff, they have to ask and yes, the site has to work without it if the user does not explicitly opt in.
 
But you should never rely on law alone. Even with the new and shiny GDPR (wich is a big leap forward) nobody will get fined for setting a cookie - and they all know that. So they will keep trying to track you (not only by using cookies).
Deny 3rd party cookies in your browser settings (every major browser lets you do that now) and never ever think about cookies again. Additionally tell the browser to forget all cookies, cache, browsing history and domstorage data (if you do not play browser games) on exit to reduce tracking potential even further.

About that anti-nag css, does that mean it will prevent you allowing cookies on all such (nagging) websites even those where you want (normal) cookies?

If you want to accept cookies for a site, don't add that site's nagscreen to your stylish CSS file. It is not hard to make your own CSS file if all you want is just to hide some stuff on some sites. Every major browser comes with a DOM inspector this day. Just get the id or class of the elements to hide and hide them. Look at my example, it is rather small because without JavaScript you don't see much nag dialogs anyway.



#283 kano

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Posted 05 July 2018 - 08:53 AM

I have the Stylish addon installed ...

https://www.theregis...wser_extension/

 

One does have to laugh at the irony of this. The Chrome browser is designed to send your browsing history to Google, Windows 10 defaults to sending it to Microsoft, but when some comparatively ant-sized company implements the feature in a browser extension, it's baaaaaaaad!

 

Not that I'm sticking up for these guys, it's just that treatment should be equal.


Edited by kano, 05 July 2018 - 09:23 AM.


#284 Abusimplea

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Posted 05 July 2018 - 08:36 PM

https://www.theregis...wser_extension/

 

One does have to laugh at the irony of this. The Chrome browser is designed to send your browsing history to Google, Windows 10 defaults to sending it to Microsoft, but when some comparatively ant-sized company implements the feature in a browser extension, it's baaaaaaaad!

Don't know about Windows 10. But in Chromium and Stylish disabling the "telemetry" at installation was easy.



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Posted 06 July 2018 - 10:46 AM

if you reinstall windows 10 it now want you to create a pin as well as create a Microsoft account to login to windows, there's is no bypass button to not create a pin, although you can delete the pin once you have installed windows 10.



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Posted 06 July 2018 - 11:48 AM

Best way to dodge creating a Microsoft Account when setting up Windows (for extra spying goodness!) is to not be connected to the net during the OOBE (out of box experience). Then, it'll just make you a local account as usual.


Edited by kano, 06 July 2018 - 11:48 AM.


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Posted 06 July 2018 - 05:46 PM

not really a choice when reinstalling free version of windows 10, you need a microsoft account to access your free activation code, else you have to buy a new code at full price in your region. my ssd had run out of life and needed replacing, which mean you have to make a copy of the windows 10 operating system on a usb flashdrive, which you can only download if you have a micrsoft account, then swap the ssd around, boot from usb flashdrive, which reinstalls windows 10 to new ssd, in about 5 minutes, then you need a microsoft account to reactivate windows 10 as its serial code is kept on the microsoft servers which is only accessable via the account, it checks the microsoft account and the motherboard serial number, and when they both match windows 10 gets reactivated.



#288 kano

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 09:40 PM

not really a choice when reinstalling free version of windows 10, you need a microsoft account to access your free activation code, else you have to buy a new code at full price in your region. my ssd had run out of life and needed replacing, which mean you have to make a copy of the windows 10 operating system on a usb flashdrive, which you can only download if you have a micrsoft account, then swap the ssd around, boot from usb flashdrive, which reinstalls windows 10 to new ssd, in about 5 minutes, then you need a microsoft account to reactivate windows 10 as its serial code is kept on the microsoft servers which is only accessable via the account, it checks the microsoft account and the motherboard serial number, and when they both match windows 10 gets reactivated.

Sounds like a stalker's dream come true. Good thing there is Linux.



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Posted 07 July 2018 - 07:51 AM

not really a choice when reinstalling free version of windows 10, you need a microsoft account to access your free activation code, else you have to buy a new code at full price in your region. my ssd had run out of life and needed replacing, which mean you have to make a copy of the windows 10 operating system on a usb flashdrive, which you can only download if you have a micrsoft account, then swap the ssd around, boot from usb flashdrive, which reinstalls windows 10 to new ssd, in about 5 minutes, then you need a microsoft account to reactivate windows 10 as its serial code is kept on the microsoft servers which is only accessable via the account, it checks the microsoft account and the motherboard serial number, and when they both match windows 10 gets reactivated.

Why not just create a system backup and copy this to the new SSD? Or does this not work with the free version? I tried this, but had other problems with the new SSD, which prevented me to succeed with that.



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Posted 07 July 2018 - 10:07 PM

system backup copies all the drives in your computer, so that would also include any hard drives, I tried that but after it spent 6 hours copying a 1tb drive it crashed, it starts with the last drive in the list. it wont let you backup just the c drive. reinstalling is messy you have to disconnect any hard drives, else windows 10 install shares files with all connected drives. so you end up with a operating system scattered across all connected drives.

anyway I looked around on the internet and most of the tech forums said to do a clean install. windows registry gets messy after many updates.

 

and nearly everything is turned off in settings

 

if you are a business dont get windows 10 as networking computers together seems to not work unless you get some special version of windows 10 and remote desktop isn't available in windows 10 home


Edited by stumpy, 07 July 2018 - 10:14 PM.


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Posted 08 July 2018 - 03:48 AM

Hm,ok. Good to know...

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 03:47 AM

My experience of Win10 was poor when I first used it on my new laptop because some updates entirely broke my PC, and it always needed to do overly long updates in the worst possible times. If you are on the newest version from the start, as I am now my experience has been pretty good. The UI is worse and less functional than 10, the ads are bullshit, I hate that you can't disable certain features, among other things but there have been some really great QOL improvements and I like that Microsoft has yet to revoke my right to use my computer as I did pre win10, with pure desktop focus and not being connected to their ecosystem at all aside from just the OS.



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 04:54 AM

according to rumours windows 10 might be the last numbered operating system, microsoft will just keep updating it and still call it windows 10



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 06:19 AM

system backup copies all the drives in your computer, so that would also include any hard drives, I tried that but after it spent 6 hours copying a 1tb drive it crashed, it starts with the last drive in the list. it wont let you backup just the c drive....

 

Would something like Acronis not work ? or will Win10 not let you change the hard drive without a reinstall ?



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Posted 12 July 2018 - 06:25 PM

i don't know. I've changed it now. the operating system is on the c: drive, which is the one that got replaced before it became a read only drive, 1% life left I worked out was about 12 days, but I don't know when it became 1%, everything else is on the harddrive. windows 10 backup used to let you pick which drive to backup, but in one of the recent updates they seem to have changed it so it does a backup on all connected drives and no longer gives a choice. microsoft removing control on how you backup your computer.



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Posted 14 July 2018 - 10:09 AM

https://betanews.com...ows-10-no-edge/

 

EdgeDeflector for Windows 10 forces all links to open in the default browser, not Microsoft Edge

 

How sad is it that people needed to make something like this? And you just know that Microsoft will break/override it with each new update...



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Posted 15 July 2018 - 12:54 AM

M$soft's efforts to control and manipulate their own users/customers never ends until legislation forces them to seek another loophole. The very setting of a default by the user MEANS that is the browser the user wishes to use! To bypass that setting directly and deliberately overrides the wishes of their own customers.




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