Pagan Gods of The Dark Mod

[Kurshok 64]

What sort of deities do the Pagans and Beastfolk outside of the Builder cities worship?

[Shadow 68]

I figured assumingly they were the Tree worshippers. That's why pagan missions have lots of tree houses and vines. Where do you think the vines arrows come from? 

[chakkman 380]

Doesn't look like they worship one particular deity: https://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=Pagans#Info

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Pagans generally have a close relationship with nature and magical forces. They worship animal and nature spirits to varying degrees. 

I'd love to imagine there is something like the Trickster in TDM though.

[Kurshok 64]

52 minutes ago, chakkman said:

Doesn't look like they worship one particular deity: https://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=Pagans#Info

I'd love to imagine there is something like the Trickster in TDM though.

I was actually wondering about maybe a few examples of the religious beliefs of the pagans outside the cities. Any based on Norse myth?

[Dragofer 1352]

A decade ago I made a draft of Pagan vocals referencing these entities:

Fenrir the Norse giant wolf

Mani the Norse moon personification 

Herne the Anglo antlered hunter

The Dark Lady

A troll

Shade spawn

Here's a .txt file containing that set of vocals pagan.txt(need to be logged in to download it)

Most of those entities were dropped in later drafts because my impression is that TDM aims for a more subtle set of beliefs in its pagans.

 

[chakkman 380]

52 minutes ago, Dragofer said:

Most of those entities were dropped in later drafts because my impression is that TDM aims for a more subtle set of beliefs in its pagans.

Which is a shame, because they always had been the most interesting faction for me in the original Thief's.

I really like your ideas about the deities. And I really like the drafts of these pagan models: 

 

Would love to see the guy in the upper left come to life lol...

[Dragofer 1352]

I think the clear consensus from prior discussions was that TDM's pagans should be nothing like the exaggerated pagans found in Thief 3. Some notable voices called for going quite far in the opposite direction to the point they'd basically be like commoners blending into the city, but occasionally betraying their pagan roots with their more superstitious beliefs like in Thief 1/2. I don't think something that subtle would be a good fit for pagans like the ones pictured above, so there'd still be room for a 2nd, more overtly "pagan" set directly mentioning all these deities.

Maybe the problem until now was that script writers tried to make a vocal set that could represent both visions, when they're really somewhat incompatible.

Here's the most recent pagan vocals thread, by the way, which IIRC is going more the subtle route at the moment.

[Springheel 4630]

Pagans would be unlikely to have a consistent set of deities.  They're not a unified group.  Some might worship their ancestors, or nature spirits, or the sun and moon.

 

[chakkman 380]

Would be interesting to know how some of them turned into manbeasts or similar. Magic? Or are they simply not as progressed/developed as town people?

Lots of myths and secrets to discover, which is probably why I liked them so much in the Thief games.  (Yes, also in Thief 3. Not sure why some people didn't like them there.)

Edited September 30, 2020 by chakkman

[JackFarmer 475]

On 9/30/2020 at 11:44 AM, chakkman said:

Would be interesting to know how some of them turned into manbeasts or similar. Magic? Or are they simply not as progressed/developed as town people?

Man, as a fellow German countryman I expected  you to know about the origin of all supernatural beast creatures:

The Bavarian Wolpertinger!

 

Ich hoffe ich konnte Dir hiermit helfen.

[chakkman 380]

Not entirely dissimilar.