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#26 Fabes

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 11:07 AM

I will list my five favorite missions as soon as I've played enough missions to compare a few. I'll edit this post then!

#27 SeriousToni

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 06:12 PM

In no order:

Glenham Tower
House Of Theo
Knighton Manor
Mandrasola
NHAT


Can I add Living Expenses too?
I know it's six missions then but I hope it's okay :blush:
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#28 Springheel

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 09:08 AM

I was hoping more votes might break the massive 4-way tie for fourth place, but now we've just got an even larger tie for third place. :)
Here are the results:

The Top SEVEN Missions, by community vote:

1. Tears of St. Lucia (13 votes)
2. A Score to Settle (11 votes)
3. No Honour Among Thieves, Glenham Tower, Knighton Manor, Heart of Lone Salvation, Return to the City (7 votes each)

Honourable Mentions:

4. Alberic's Curse, Flakebridge Monastary (6 votes each)
5. Mandrasola, The Transaction, St. Alban's Cathedral, Fiasco on Fauchard St. (4 votes each)
6. The Builder's Influence (3 votes)


Other than pinning this information somewhere, I'm not entirely sure what to do with it. I had thought that doing something in the Download Mission menu, like adding a star or something next to those missions, would be appropriate, but I'm not sure how easy that would be to do.

I had another idea as well...since Tears of St. Lucia was the clear favourite, with more than 50% of people listing it as one of their favourites, how would people feel about including it in the main TDM download package? It's only 18MB, so the size would be negligable. And Tears of St. Lucia was an official, team-built mission that was designed with 'impressing the public' in mind (it was our second demo, for those that didn't know). By including it in the download, we would make it very likely that new players would play it before downloading any other mission, so we'd be certain that they play TDM's best mission first. I personally think it's a good idea.
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#29 Melan

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 09:19 AM

Other than pinning this information somewhere, I'm not entirely sure what to do with it. I had thought that doing something in the Download Mission menu, like adding a star or something next to those missions, would be appropriate, but I'm not sure how easy that would be to do.

It surely wouldn't be too hard on the main TDM page? Add a star, explained as a "Community pick". Maybe add this info to the short blurbs of the individual mission files as well? Or in a corner of the initial screenshot you see in the downloader?

I had another idea as well...since Tears of St. Lucia was the clear favourite, with more than 50% of people listing it as one of their favourites, how would people feel about including it in the main TDM download package?

Good thinking.
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 09:32 AM

Maybe we should now vote on which of the remaining missions for each of the 3rd, 4th and 5th places we would prefer, to break the tie? Yes, I think a sticky here on the forums, a mention on the main page (news and download list), wiki, etc., would be enough.

I also vote for including Saint Lucia for sure, I always wondered why it wasnt in the first place - the training mission is a great map to get to know the potential of the mod, but I dont think anyone would not like to have a "introduction" mission to play with right after downloading the whole thing, specially if its such a nice one like Tears.

Edited by RPGista, 12 January 2012 - 09:40 AM.


#31 Sonosuke

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 09:40 AM

Lol, Tears of Saint Lucia... It was the second map out for TDM right? Its really a masterpiece, since some time ago a Classic mission and now included in the Mod. Thats the way to go!
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#32 grayman

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 10:05 AM

I agree that Tears should be in the TDM package.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 10:07 AM

St Lucia it is then :-)

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 11:05 AM

Do it! B)
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 03:55 PM

I had another idea as well..How would people feel about including it in the main TDM download package? It's only 18MB, so the size would be negligable. And Tears of St. Lucia was an official, team-built mission that was designed with 'impressing the public' in mind ... I personally think it's a good idea.


Absolutly. I always wondered why Tears of St. Lucia wasn't included. Being a excellent team effort to showcase TDM...

Edited by fllood, 12 January 2012 - 03:55 PM.

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#36 demagogue

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 05:54 PM

St. Lucia was always special. And it's not a bad idea for new players to have the same first "deep" experience with Dark Mod that we had. (For that reason, packaging A Thieve's Den wouldn't be so bad either, everyone's real first experience. Edit: What about the idea of combining Thieve's Den into the Tutorial Mission, so after you've visited all the areas, a door opens up that teleports you to a full mini-mission you can play, and it's Thieve's Den, and winning it just teleports you back to the tutorial hub. Just an idea...)

I think for #3, if you wanted an "objective" tie breaker, No Honor Among Thieves is the most ambitious of the list as a 3 mission campaign. So if the goal is the make an impression for new players, that's the one for them to play first I'd think. Or if you wanted a vote-off to pick among them, that'd be my pick anyway (just for that reason; I like all those missions).
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 08:07 PM

I don't see the point of a vote...I only gave the totals for the sake of transparency. The main goal is just to have a list of recommendations, and having 7 is fine, I think.
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 09:18 PM

I'm not sure if this has already been addressed and I might be thinking of the wrong mission, but I remember my only problem with The Tears of Saint Lucia is that it has this odd issue with the last objective where if you don't go to a certain place on the way out of the cathedral it won't count as completed.

This would be fine except there is an exit that bypasses this specific area gives you a clear way to the beginning of the level, which doesn't seem to count completing the "leave the vicinity of the church" meaning that the player has to go back towards the church in order to complete that objective, which runs counter to common sense as well as to the way the "get out" objectives work in most missions.

I don't know if maybe I didn't update the mission properly or if I'm thinking of the wrong mission, but if I'm thinking of the same mission then I really think that's something that would need to be fixed before you include it with the mod.

Edited by Professor Paul1290, 12 January 2012 - 09:19 PM.


#39 Melan

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 03:09 AM

Definitely this mission, and definitely an issue.
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Posted 13 January 2012 - 10:32 AM

I can go over the map and make sure everything is working. There were a few other things that were a bit glitchy with the new version, as I recall. And if we're going to include it with the mod download, I'd like to add in a little support for a few new features that weren't available at the time, like suspicious lights and doors.
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Posted 13 January 2012 - 12:27 PM

Great idea! I can remember at least a couple of cases where suspicious doors would be very welcomed, like the chapel door and the bishop's room...

#42 Professor Paul1290

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 03:04 PM

While not quite as offending as the issue with the "get out" objective, there is something else in the mission which doesn't make sense.

As far as I know, the main door to the crypt does not work at all from either side, and I think it doesn't even frob. Maybe there's a trick or switch to opening it somewhere, but if there is I have yet to find it. It's not really mission breaking as you can get in and out of the crypt using the elevator but it doesn't quite make sense considering that the door is as decorated as it is and has a keyhole next to it, which strongly suggests it should do something other than act as a wall.

I think you should at least be able use the door or keyhole to attempt open the door even if it never works, at least to maintain consistency with the other doors.

Edited by Professor Paul1290, 13 January 2012 - 03:05 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2012 - 05:01 PM

It could even be easily made to be barred from the inside. So then you still have to go to it through the vator but can unbar and use it then. Would give a reaon why it's not accesable in the firs place.
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Posted 13 January 2012 - 07:19 PM

I can go over the map and make sure everything is working. There were a few other things that were a bit glitchy with the new version, as I recall. And if we're going to include it with the mod download, I'd like to add in a little support for a few new features that weren't available at the time, like suspicious lights and doors.

Dont forget to checking all the texture alignments et, nothing takes you out of the game than a poorly aligned texture..

#45 pusianka

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 03:51 PM

To my surprise, Somewhere above the sky was mentioned once only! And so instead of posting 5 missions I'll put this one high up:

1. Somewhere Above The Sky

#46 jaxa

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 04:50 PM

Isn't it "Somewhere Above the City"?

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 04:52 PM

Yes.
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#48 Midnight

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 04:52 PM

It was probably only mentioned once because it's actually called 'somewhere above the city' :-)

Edit: Damn ninjas everywhere!

Edited by Midnight, 18 January 2012 - 04:53 PM.


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Posted 18 January 2012 - 05:25 PM

1. Somewhere Above The Sky


Heh. The clocktower wasn't that high.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 09:46 AM

The Tears of Saint Lucia
No Honor Among Thieves
A Score To Settle
St. Albans Cathedral

and great, great fan mission, a personal favorite, The Heart of Lone Salvation.




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