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Ignoring is somewhat inadequate as you still see other members engaging in a discussion with the problematic user, and as Wellingtoncrab says such discussions displace all other content within that channel. Moderation is also imperfect as being unpleasant to engage with is not in itself banworthy, so there is nothing more to do if such people return to their old behaviour after a moderator had a talk with them, except live with it or move away. I'd be more willing to deal with it if it felt like there were more on-topic discussion, i.e. thoughts about recently played fan missions or mappers showcasing their progress, rather than a stream of consciousness about a meta topic that may or not have to do with TDM. I guess the forums already serve the desired purpose, or they just compartmentalise discussions better.

No. You submit it to flood, who manages abandoned works, who then distributes the abandoned FMs to those who ask. This is all information that can be found in the original post of this thread

Indeed, I didn't bother to read through all the pages of this thread when I stumbled onto the end. The good news is that I just contacted Aosys and he will consider finishing "One for the Gang" himself :)!

ERH+ obviously noticed this thread, so one mission accomplished :)! What about Aosys? Anybody know if he is still around anywhere?

I just noticed this thread for the first time. Shouldn't "One for the gang" and "Seed of lodestar" be added to this list? Both are available from the beta board and could easily be adopted.

I just stumbled upon this thread (because I saw that snatcher is involved which is always exciting ) but I wonder why we would want a lamp that can not be used at the same time as a weapon? This brings back memories of the stupid Doom 3 flashlight which did the same thing just for jumpscares. So if you really want to show a visible lamp, can't the player hold it in his left hand while the right one is still free at least for blackjack, sword and to pick up items?

Yeah, being able to differentiate between footsteps can be justified. Actually, now that I think about, I'm pretty sure some of Thief's alert lines even lampshaded this; pretty sure it had lines like "Is that you, Sir?" I don't think it would be a more obscure mechanic than eyepatch/hooded guards having reduced vision. Or that drunk people are less observant. Imo loud background noise muffling noises would be a very natural and perspicuous, unless you are already heavily geared towards arbitrary/abstract game rules. But you did gave me an ideas there, kudos. After thinking about it a bit more, you wouldn't have to do actually have to do any more super serious calculations, just need to be able to apply a sound loss multiplier to player generated noises within a certain area. Since ambient sounds are set up by the map's designer in static locations, so there wouldn't be any need to calculate the loudness dynamically. Locations already have 'sound_loss_mult' attribute, so you could actually use that simulate muffling, right? The issue, if I understand it correctly, is that if the zone is bigger than the s_maxdistance of your noise generator, then the player's noise will get unjustly muffled even when far away from source of the noise. Or if it's smaller, than crossing a portal will remove the cloaking. Also not sure if 'sound_loss_mult' can be adjusted on the fly. If not, then it can't be used for dynamic distractions (like turning on/off a generator), only static noises. Could be optimal for heavy rain on the streets, maybe? Hmm yeah, this could be another approach. If you can change an AI's sensory stats on the fly then you could probably script dynamic muffling. Add some location based culling to it, so the distance is only calculated while the NPC is in relevant zones, lowering the impact of the calculations?! I do kinda want to do some cooking now and see if I can come up with something fun. Hmm, actually, just had another thought. I remember seeing a recent thread about how Noisemaker arrows are kind of redundant, since broadhead arrows or throwable items can also be used to lure guards over to specific spots. So maybe this could be a smallish buff to Noisemakers: temporarily lowering the aural alertness of guards in its vicinity a tinsy bit?

Ooh! We should compare notes in a few weeks. I've been trying for a while now to find tricks for re-establishing continuity between conversations. I've had some success, but nothing yet I would call satisfactory. For instance with the Adventures of Thrumm RP game, I had to start a new session because the ChatGPT client was taking on the order of 20s per token to generate its responses at the end and was crashing every 2-3 minutes. I felt like I successfully got it back into the character and in story for the new session, but it took something like 2 pages of text and over 40 minutes of work on my part. Judge for yourself how well I did: https://chat.openai.com/share/f14f77f7-2b49-497a-990a-b8ee6f405fb1 I'm envisioning an ultimate solution in the form of AI "personas" with associated memories and biographical information in a searchable database, which the chatbot can interact with through an API based on some minimal leading-prompts. Unfortunately that is still a bit beyond my depth as a engineer and AI whisperer... but I am making slow progress. Thanks! You are correct that these were each one continuous conversation (minus a few false-start branches where I submitted incomplete prompts by mistake or tried things that didn't work). I probably would not recommend going that long again. I really only did it in those examples as an experiment to see what would happen. I'd say beyond about 8 rounds of lengthy prompt-response the model's amnesia problem completely erases any benefit it gets from the extra context of the longer conversation. Plus in long conversations it sometimes develops pathologies like linguistic ticks or personality quirks. Starting new conversations periodically is a pain, but probably still best practice. It's a new feature! This is actually the first time I've used it so I'm not 100% clear how it works when you send it to someone with their own account. The controls are on the left next to the chat session title in the chat list: the icons from left to right are to change the conversation title, share the conversation, and delete the conversation. If you'd like to try adding to another person's thread, here's a false start of mine you could try it on. I'll tell you if it works. (Turns out ChatGPT is chronically bad at anagrams, so vandalize away.) https://chat.openai.com/share/8d7227ab-3905-4bf1-82a3-12be4899d48f

That is just about the method I've arrived at. I started a new test story where I told it a set of rules (British spelling, use n-dashes with spaces, etc.) then told it my rough idea for a scene (I write in scenes anyway then form chapters from related scenes, so that was fine.) I then told it to create the scene but don't display it, then check it against the rules and correct it, then display it. This worked well for several scenes but I just noticed my latest scene is back in American English with an m-dash in there with no spaces. So I asked it to display rule 15 (the one about dashes) It came back with corrupted nonsense about different number rules I hadn't even invented! And it said there was no rule 15! So clearly it only remembers back a few messages. So I've decided to continue by giving it the rules every scene. That's just a matter of copy/pasting in from my text editor so not too much trouble. I will also need to start a new conversation say every 3 or 4 scenes, post all the (relevant) scenes so far, then continue. Your shared chat looks really good and an amazing length! That's all one conversation? And what is that openAI shared service? How do I access that to post and read other stuff? I didn't know it existed. It's got a button to continue the conversation. Does that mean anyone could join in that thread?

I was just reading a post over on TTLG about Thirith's experience playing Sable when he realized the game played significantly more smoothly, and the movement control was less wonky, at 30 fps than 60 fps, and then I see your post explaining just that. Edit: I should have double checked the date. I didn't realize when I clicked the thread that it didn't take me to the latest page but evidently to the last point I had read up to, which was more than 2 months ago. Sorry about that. Well it's still an interesting thing to point out anyway.

Damn, what a crazy mission. One issue with missions like this is that sharing screenshots that would accurately represent it would ruin the experience. So if anybody is reading this and considering whether to play it or not: this is very much not a standard city/mansion mission. Obviously I was blown away. My favorite moment was wondering "Are these just decorations or will I be able to jump onto them? Surely it's just a decoration." And it wasn't. I bet I wasn't alone in this. The story was a bit confusing in places (the details like family issues, not what was overall happening), but what's important is that the mission was not. It was huge and there was a lot to do, but it flowed well. What helped was that finding stuff in "act one" helped me understand the layout of things in "act two", that in turn helped me find which areas I likely missed in "act one", and I was then free to take my time and return to them. That's a concept that worked really well because the added context made revisiting the old areas interesting again, something that I don't believe any other mission has achieved to do for me. I did have to go through this thread to find some of the secrets, but that's because I generally don't replay missions and wanted to get the (mostly) full experience from my one playthrough. It did seem at one point that the mission could be completed when the player has seen maybe 50% of it, which was a bit strange, but I guess most people here would not do that anyway.

I don't recall a system for noise masking. It sounds like it'd be a good idea, but when you get into the details you realize it'd be complicated to implement. It's not only noise that that goes into it, I think. E.g., a high register can cut through even a loud but low register rumble. And it's not like the .wav file even has data on the register of what it's playing. So either you have to add meta-data (which is insane), or you have to have a system to literally check pitch on the .wav data and paramaterize it in time to know when it's going to cut through what other parameters from other sounds. For that matter, it doesn't even have the data on the loudness either, so you'd have to get that off the file too and time the peaks with the "simultaneous" moment at arbitrary places in every other sound file correctly. And then position is going to matter independently for each AI. So it's not like you can have one computation that works the same for all AI. You'd have to compute the masking level for each one, and then you get into the expense you're mentioning. I know there was a long discussion about it in the internal forums, and probably on the public subforums too, but it's been so long ago now I can't even remember the gist of them. Anyway the main issue is I don't know if you'll find a champion that wants to work on it. But if you're really curious to see how it might work, you could always try your hand at coding & implementing it. Nothing beats a good demo to test an idea in action. And there's no better way to learn how to code than a little project like that. I always encourage people to try to implement an idea they have, whether or not it may be a good idea, just because it shows the power of an open source game. We fans can try anything we want and see if it works!

it's worth trying whatever you want to try and then see what the beta testers think. Just have a plan B ready to implement in case it goes over like a lead balloon. If there is no loot goal, the first thing people are going to ask is 'where is the loot goal?', so you just need to have an explanation that makes sense and provide that in the release thread, or even in the mission briefing (e.g. don't rob innocent people or something). The only reason I make loot goals optional is to make players like myself happy, who are terrible at finding loot and don't want to spend hours searching everywhere before the mission completes.

Sounds like this is exactly what the guy in the other the thread asked for! But why the skeleton in the screenshot? Do you have an x-ray spell now ;)?

Please give us more examples in this thread. You gave one (noclip) and it wasn't even correct! Have a look at the release notes for each release. You'll see a lot of bugs are fixed in addition to new features. Sometimes these features are imperfect, sometimes there are regressions, but fixing bugs is a core part of the game's development. Here you can look at what's currently being worked on for 2.12: https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/changelog_page.php?version_id=108

Makes sense as the mission (at least the first work on it) seems to be pretty old. I found a thread from 2011 about it.

I'm using the version from kcghost. I just tested and I can't see any difference inside the inventory. On the stats itself it doesn't show the different loot types (still seen in the inventory), but instead gives more info on stealth score. Edit: I see Dragofer made an updated version of his script. I have to check that out. Edit2: That version works: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=21272&key=02755164a3bed10498683771fe9a0453

@Dragofer does your version work in 2.12? I'm confused about what to download. I tried one z_addon_stealth_statistic_2_07.pk4 that I found somewhere in this thread, but it didn't work. I tried out @kcghost's version (it works on 2.12), but I found that it interferes too much with my usage of inventory items, so I'd like to try out yours to see if it's more comfortable to use. I think I've seen a youtuber use it before.

I looked but didn't see this video posted in these forums. It's pretty cool.

I mentioned this in a similar thread on TTLG. If there's going to be a new Thief game, my vote is for a remake of the original Dark Project.

Well, maybe we can skip the public flogging this time. Just wanted to say that there already is a System Shock Remake thread. Having a lot of fun playing it at the moment, by the way. It gets better and better. I was a tad underwhelmed by the first level (which I already knew from the demo) for some reason, but, the second level suited me much more.

It wasn't a "sacrifice", it was a deliberate decision. People wanted the game to be as close as possible to the original, including pixelated graphics. If you ask me, the former version based on the Unity engine looked and felt better. But, hey... I guess I'm not the right person to judge that, as I never played the original, and always found that the art style of System Shock 2 is much better anyway. This also illustrates the issue with community funded games: Too many cooks spoil the broth. In game design, you need freedom, not thousands of people who want you to do this and this and that. Just take a look at the Steam forums and see how all those wimps complain again about everything. Hopeless.

@gokudo Something wrong with the original thread?

So giving it none of those tags, but making the AI invisible, silent, non-solid, and on a team neutral to everyone would not work? Oh well, it was a horrible inelegant idea anyway.

What I understood is that the idea of TDM was born from that it was unclear if T3 would get a level editor at the time. Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20050218173856/http://evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268