Thief 4 is trash.

[jtr7]

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Edited February 19, 2014 by jtr7

[jay pettitt]

Oh right, the shields are at the edge of the screen. I see.

[jtr7]

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Edited February 19, 2014 by jtr7

[jay pettitt]

Wut wut

 

You defended the shields because they sit at the edge of the screen. As opposed to the shroud which exists at the periphery. And that they didn't change or animate. Unless there's, ya know, a change in state...

 

I gotta say, you're not convincing me.

[jtr7]

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Edited February 19, 2014 by jtr7

[jay pettitt]

I already have. In the post you were replying to. All you did was repeat the same questionable claims over. It would be tiresome to go over them yet again.

 

Look, you're asserting that 'immersion' is delicate and precarious. Which is plainly bunk. You're sitting in a house, at a desk interpreting some fairly rudimentary sounds and some images on a 2D display where human behaviour is reduced to patrol routes and you've got a keyboard or a little controller in your hands and then... Bazzam! - you're figuratively transported into a convincing 3D alternate world.

 

The ability for the human psyche to be fooled knows no bounds. That's just psychology 101. Sure you can go wrong. You can fall into the uncanny valley. Or bore people to a stupor. But fooling human minds is very definitely not rocket science.

 

Ooodles of 'immersive' games have flashing whirring spinning HUD elements. Games people you like, like a lot. Games like System Shock.

 

It helps of course that the HUD elements fit the sci-fi theme. Something that wouldn't be true with Thief. But you know what: the Shroud is EM making a feedback system that's got a naturalistic theme that is fitting for a Thief game. And all power to them. I'm keen to try it. (not £30 keen, granted, but maybe Steam Sale keen).

[MacD11]

Watching the VGX's and right now they are showcasing Thief 4, I think I might have seen a gas arrow.

Edited December 7, 2013 by MacD11

[jtr7]

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[Goldwell]

Also I saw this on a post on the Eidos forums.. apparently supernatural things are in

 

[Goldwell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNy7zJOwxLw

[jtr7]

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Edited February 19, 2014 by jtr7

[skacky]

I feel like Arkane should really sue Eidos Montreal for plagiarism at this point. The similarities between this and Dishonored are really really obvious now. They even have a Granny Rags character for Christ's sake.

Edited December 8, 2013 by skacky

[Goldwell]

I doubt it's direct plagiarism (but hey I could be wrong) but it seems more like they drew inspiration from the same places. I wish though we could get a good chunk of gameplay without it randomly cutting in and out to a presenter or people talking over it. I want to see what the game is like with just me and the game which until it's released can obviously only be done with a gameplay video minus commentary.

[skacky]

I'm sorry, but no. I'm not talking about places, I'm talking about overall story direction here.

Both games have an exiled hero; Corvo was sentenced to prison and was going to hang, and Garrett decided to exile himself. They both return to their respective cities after something tragic happened; the death of Empress Kaldwin for Corvo, and Erin's death for Garrett. Both cities are now ruled by a tyrannical power; the Lord Regent Burrows in Dishonored and the Baron in Thief. Both cities are suffering from a plague; the rat plague in Dunwall and "the Gloom" in The City. Both heroes use supernatural powers; the powers given by the Outsider for Corvo, and some stupid-ass powers coming from God knows where for Garrett (he was not gifted with supernatural powers in the original games). Both games are the theater of an ongoing revolution; the Royalists in Dishonored and Orion's group in Thief. Both games have an old lady who is a myth; Granny Rags for Dunwall and The Queen of Beggars for The City. You could say she's reminiscent of The Hag, but The Hag was a monster.

 

You see where I'm going now?

[Mr. Tibbs]

This has to be a joke.

 

The lack of imagination here is really sad. A plague, a mysterious old woman, a missing girl, tyrants pursuing power and a scrappy rebel faction looking to set things right. Eidos Montreal are looking to the trappings of Arkane's Dishonored for inspiration, rather than Looking Glass, Ion Storm or doing something original. Unless they're still hiding it, Thief lacks any gameplay innovations beside the swoop feature. The supernatural abilities drew folks to Dishonored and made it feel distinct from Thief. It has a personality. Thief looks like first-person Assassin's Creed.

[Loa4ever]

And here we go again with trailers.... HEY EM, stop doing them! Enough, no seriously. Instant of with this crap, focus on your goddamn game for once. Or better yet, give up on the franchise, or give it other name and name it the characters differently, leave Thief alone .

[jtr7]

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Edited February 19, 2014 by jtr7

[kyyrma]

Just watched the story trailer. It was even worse than I expected.

 

 

Sad music

 

"Erin died."

 

"I'll never forget it. Everything else: gone."

 

"Balance has shifted. We can all feel it."

 

"Your city needs you Garret."

 

"I'm no saviour."

 

Dramatic music

 

"Something has changed in you, child of shadows."

 

"No one is paying you to risk your neck for this!"

 

DRAMATIC MUSIC INTENSIFIES

 

CRACK! BAM! BROKEN NECK MONTAGE! MULTIPLE BRUTAL TAKEDOWN!

 

"There are worse things in the shadows than you."

 

 

We used to joke around with my friends, creating these short super-cliche scenarios that NuThief could feature in its trailers, and I'm not kidding when I say that one that I came up with was almost word to word what they have in the trailer now.

 

It's just shallow, generic Hollywood blockbuster 101 sort of tripe. I'm so damn disappointed. Also, if it wasn't obvious before that Erin lives on in some form it is after this trailer. You can see that she falls in the middle of the ritual those robed figures are conducting, probably turning her into a vessel of some evil spirit or whatever.

Edited December 8, 2013 by kyyrma

[stumpy]

the video's probably been blocked cos it looks like the tv show 'arrow'. which I guess viacom has copyright on. it looks like a modern day thief.

[kyyrma]

Here is the story trailer:

 

Get ready to cringe.

Edited December 8, 2013 by kyyrma

[skacky]

Yeah I watched that yesterday. I think the worst thing in that is definitely the abominable voice acting.

[Sir Taffsalot]

Why is Garrett beating the crap out of everyone?

[kyyrma]

Why is Garrett beating the crap out of everyone?

 

Because he is an edgy and reluctant anti-hero with nothing to lose on a quest for redemption, of course.

 

"It's like a steampunk Max Payne without any of the self-awareness! 11/10" -IGN

Edited December 8, 2013 by kyyrma

[Viktoria]

Yeah I watched that yesterday. I think the worst thing in that is definitely the abominable voice acting.

 

A harsh word..."abominable".

I'd agree with you if it was really off... like high 'n' squeaky from inhaling helium.

I think Romano is doing a good job, all things considered, and I can't say his voice is in any way loathsome.

As for the other characters... I need to listen again. I enjoyed the voice of The Queen of Beggars. It has a pleasant husky tone that I really like.

 

 

Why is Garrett beating the crap out of everyone?

I guess the player behind the controller/keyboard chooses to show off his combat skills.

[Melan]

Yeah I watched that yesterday. I think the worst thing in that is definitely the abominable voice acting.

It has to be using Carmina Burana as the musical score.

 

What an embarrasing, horrible failure this is turning out to be. Well okay, it is entertaining in a way.