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#26 Anderson

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Posted 19 January 2019 - 08:12 AM

I really don't see the benefit of getting TDM on GOG... rather pay for Google Ads, i think that's much more expedient, if you want to bring TDM to a bigger public. Steam would have been nice, but, yeah...

 

Will not hurt to try going through GOG as an alternative. They also are very similar by their values to the conception of TDM. DRM free and all that jazz.

 

The problem with Steam was Steamworks and how it does something with TDM's license, in addition the challenge to make the code compatible.


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Posted 19 January 2019 - 08:40 AM

Does GOG host free games?  I've never used it.


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Posted 19 January 2019 - 08:57 AM

 

Will not hurt to try going through GOG as an alternative. They also are very similar by their values to the conception of TDM. DRM free and all that jazz.

 

The problem with Steam was Steamworks and how it does something with TDM's license, in addition the challenge to make the code compatible.

 

The thing is, you won't reach nearly as many people that way. As you say, it won't hurt. The question is whether it is worth the (unknown) effort. Maybe GOG also requires that the content licensing info is being properly stated (if i understood the Steam stuff concerning TDM correctly).

 

@Springheel: It seems they do. Check here: https://www.gog.com/...rity&price=free


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#29 Anderson

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Posted 19 January 2019 - 09:05 AM

Does GOG host free games?  I've never used it.

 

Sure. "Beneath a Steel Sky", "Lure of the Temptress", "Tyrian 2000", "Teenagent". 

 

There might be more that I am not aware of.


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Posted 19 January 2019 - 09:08 AM

 

The thing is, you won't reach nearly as many people that way. As you say, it won't hurt. The question is whether it is worth the (unknown) effort. Maybe GOG also requires that the content licensing info is being properly stated (if i understood the Steam stuff concerning TDM correctly).

 

@Springheel: It seems they do. Check here: https://www.gog.com/...rity&price=free

 

True. But got to start somewhere I guess. 

 

And you found more than me in the free category.


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Posted 19 January 2019 - 03:46 PM

 

Maybe GOG also requires that the content licensing info is being properly stated (if i understood the Steam stuff concerning TDM correctly).

GOG includes my Unofficial Patch for Bloodlines in their version for the game and never had me list licensing infos...


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#32 Kurshok

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Posted 19 January 2019 - 06:48 PM

I'd love to play this game on a console one day.

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Posted 19 January 2019 - 08:53 PM

IIRC they also host Thief 2 New Dark and everybody is happy to be mum about the obvious licensing issue. But again IIRC they just weren't responding to our inquiries. It wasn't us that was hesitating. There's a thread or posts on it somewhere if someone wants to look it up, although possibly in the admin forum.


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#34 AluminumHaste

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Posted 19 January 2019 - 10:23 PM

They never responded, I think it was Biker who had tried contacting them.


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#35 Anderson

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 08:31 AM

That was my understanding too.


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#36 wesp5

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 10:43 AM

They never responded, I think it was Biker who had tried contacting them.

Yeah, I have the feeling they are either not caring sometimes or overwhelmed by the normal games. I suggested two Ukrainian unterdog games to them a long time ago and never got a response as well. Maybe someone should try again and show some persistance ;)!


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Posted 25 January 2019 - 02:14 AM

maybe they consider the game to be too new to be put on a site about 'good old games' = gog. or maybe they consider it not to be a game as its a game editor with a launcher that run player made maps. or maybe someone from 'thief 2 new dark' put in a bad word, there are still some over at ttlg who hate 'the dark mod' with a vengence that doesn't make much sense.

 

the source code for a lot of those free games on gog is on git, not all of them though.

 

maybe they have problems with it being doom 3 converted to a thief type game as in its a total convert therefore not an original game, new dark would be considered an extension to thief 2, or maybe they think the dark mod and new dark is the same game so they already have it.



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Posted 25 January 2019 - 03:01 AM

It's a violation to distribute protected IP, so I believe they just want to shield themselves from liability, and they're more risk-adverse as Steam, or anyway don't have the same brigade of lawyers to double-check these things. So a game like Darkmod just wouldn't get in the door. That was my first impression.


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Posted 25 January 2019 - 04:45 AM

I suppose GoG wants the same as Steam Greenlight, which is a single responsible legal entity that can be sued if it turns out there is some unlicensed IP in the game. It's not that they necessarily believe there is such unlicensed IP, but they just don't want to carry the risk themselves.



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Posted 25 January 2019 - 07:12 AM

It's a violation to distribute protected IP, so I believe they just want to shield themselves from liability, and they're more risk-adverse as Steam, or anyway don't have the same brigade of lawyers to double-check these things. 

 

That wouldn't surprise me at all, considering that's a pretty common theme for people declining DRM.



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Posted 25 January 2019 - 08:36 AM

It would be nice to see tdm on steam, because the possibilities.
But how about publishing TDM on itch.io? (creator faq)

And what to publisch?
(we need a topic to decided that)
We need to create a new version of the "full standalone" package again (as a base package), like the one on moddb.
Maybe i have the time to write a installer for in the package (a simple select-standalonezippackage-guiding-installer).
But not necessary for steam and other client-download sites.

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#42 wesp5

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:31 AM

It's a violation to distribute protected IP, so I believe they just want to shield themselves from liability, and they're more risk-adverse as Steam, or anyway don't have the same brigade of lawyers to double-check these things.

As I already wrote, GOG did not question me one bit about IP when they included my Unofficial Patch into their Bloodlines version. Maybe it's just about hitting the right guy and you should try again!


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#43 demagogue

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:46 AM

It's not the IP per se, I think, it's that we're (from their perspective) a TC of another game, which is apparently different from a patch of a game I guess, because I see them releasing fan patches from games all the time. But in those cases, I have the idea that the patch is tacitly condoned by the IP holder of the game (since it's still just their game itself being released; the patch is supporting content in that case), which isn't the case of our total conversion & id. And I don't think it has to do with actual worry about the IP rights, only that they don't have a team of lawyers like Steam so they just go the more lazy route (like patch = ok. total conversion = we don't know so don't bother). This is all just my guess though. If someone wants to follow up with them, though, by all means...


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