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I recently had a crash with 2.12 with (beta) mission The Spider and the Finch, but it was a fire arrow and the crash happend at the moment of explosion, so I asumed it's performance related.

I made High Expectations crash in my fresh virgin 2.12 so I don't think the version of the mission matters BUT it turned out I didn't have the latest version of the mission in TDM 2.11 because of the weird versioning thing going on with the built-in downloader. So I deleted the mission and downloaded the version offered by the downloaded and managed to get a new crash: https://www.mediafire.com/file/9nuvomhqkucup0t/qconsole_202310311733.zip/file

Sorry, I don't do videos. The crash is triggered at a very specific moment, always when starting fire. You miss that moment and the game won't crash, I understand. Lieutenant 2: High Expectations is the best testbed. Spawn some broadheads and start doing any of the below in any order you want (but very fast): Raise broadheads and pretend to fire (press fire and quickly abort) Switch to Water arrows and pretend to fire Lower Bow Raise Blackjack Switch to Bow and pretend to fire ... It eventually crashes here.

No dumb questions from you. I get the game to crash with and without mods but I don't use mods for these tests. I did manage to crash a fresh virgin 2.12 pretty easily. My TDM 2.11 isn't fresh but I make sure no modifications are present during the tests.

Yes indeed, I would be surprised if it fixed by itself. This log files is rather useless in most cases. By the thing is: in case of bow crash, you won't see anything useful in console log either. We already know that bow attachments (or something like that) are unexpectedly killed by tdm_suicide script, but I have no freaking idea why this script runs. The chain of events is long, looking at things at the moment of crash won't help.

Changelog of 2.11 development: beta211-08 (rev 16770-10264) * Fixed crash when minimizing TDM on Windows (post). * Added HD carpets (thread). * Fixed player getting delayed and lower damage on high fall ending with mantle (6231). * Removed wrong LOD stage in atdm:env_ragdoll_commoner_female. * Reverted addition of default "map of" inventory item. * Made it easier for modders to substitute invgrid parchment background (6241). beta211-07 (rev 16758-10258) * Fixed extinguished candles stim-lighting each other on game start (6223). * Added menu settings for sheathe toggle, and changed default (6232 thread). * Saint Lucia mission improvements (thread). * Fixed GUI warnings in New Job. * Renamed "New Missions" to "Missions List" in main menu (6230). * Fixed initial difficulty highlight on Objectives screen (6229). * Fixed Objectives title slightly cut off on low text scale (6234). * Added mansion01 window assets (6235). * Fixed normal map of turquoise_uneven (6222). * Allow user to tweak pm_noclipspeed (6237). beta211-06 (rev 16739-10248) * Saint Lucia mission improvements (thread). * Fixed rare crash during melee combat (6225). * Fixed func_peek crash on Linux (5553). * Fixed bottle crash in "Pearls and Swine" (6227). * Fixed textures of cheapbeermug (post). * Fixed warnings in book_ornate_gothic readables (post). * Fixed minor issue in broad phase of collision detection. beta211-05 (rev 16727-10239) * Fixed rare NaN blocks from volumetric lights on AMD driver (post). * Fixed rare thin holes in geometry on low "render scale". * Fixed major performance regression in "r_shadowMapSinglePass 1" mode. * Added subtitles to New Job mission (5914). * Fixed subtitles hidden during CameraView type of cutscene (6197). * Fixed last character of subtitles occasionally clipped away (5914). * Fixed missed alert count if player hides into darkness during guard's combat startup (6211). * Added blueprint assets by Dram. * Fixed UV map in bwindow01_frame model (6217). * Allow female guards to sleep on floor (6208). * Dmap messages about PlanarGraph and EarCut now include 3D world position. * Some minor rounding changes in text placement in GUI. * Restored value of pm_bobup from 2.10. beta211-04 (rev 16714-10226) * Fixed wrong lightgem values briefly after game load/start (6088). * Fixed alert counter for civilians immediate alert (5286). * Some main menu text made translatable (2960). * New assets: Precursor "ancient" loot by Kingsal, galleon wreck, gothic cabinet, grandfather clock with new clock scriptobject, pagan menir (standing stone statue), pair of large marble lion statues, feather duster prop * Make sure all newly created door entities have the right rotate value set (5051) * Fix missing normalmap for audiograph, fixed shadowmesh for armchair_victorian_02.ase * Various small asset fixes (missing faces in LOD stage of boiler02_med.lwo, mangled stairs in galleon.lwo, gaps in spade models, normals on desk2 and desk3 models, UV issues on various other models) (3771). * Improved resolution for shield_goldarms texture (4894). * Added "looping" keyword to looping clock ticking sounds. * Exclude female pagan materials from release builds. beta211-03 (rev 16689-10219) * Avoid copying of large array on AMD, fixing a terrible performance regression (thread). * Enabled Frontend Acceleration = r_useParallelAddModels by default. * Fixed error when same decl file exists packed and unpacked with different case (post). * Don't crash TDM if automation port is occupied: warn, retry, and disable instead (thread). * New Job: the mission is no longer unfinishable if you guess the safe combination without visiting the Lord's room + visportal fixes. * Ambient world prefab: expanded light radius from 1K to 10K. * Added currency pack, cobblestone pack, furniture pack and tiling treasure hoard texture * Added wall mounted locks, improved sofa and leather ottoman * Added star wallpaper * Block CMake build without setting build type (post), fixed CMake + MSVC build. beta211-02 (rev 16670-10208) * Fixed bugs with counting number of alerts (5286, 6186). * Fixed bugs in in-game and savegame screenshots (link). * Disable GL debug groups to fix performance on some AMD drivers. * Added a lot of new assets from Epifire's missions (6188). * Added and refactored locks/safes by Obsttorte, Epifire, Dragofer. * Added book skins by Wellingtoncrab. * Fixed missing wastebasket material in Hazard Pay (link). * Support r_skipAmbient and r_skipInteractions in new backend. * Added spawnarg call_used_action_script on frobable movers. * Fixed definitions of ambient lights with normal-dependent color (6090). * Fixed KOBoxSize not being restored for the sake of blackjack. beta211-01 (rev 16656-10189) * Many improvements in new volumetric lights implementation + added cvars (5850, thread). * r_softShadowsMipmaps: fixed render scale, fixed screenshots. * Faster shadow volume generation with BVH, more cvars and tweaking (5886). * Optimized stencil shadows: turbo shadow vertices are static on GPU. * Improved solidness / visibility logic on models (6175). * Added spawnargs allow_idle_anims and allow_random_headturning. * Avoid sound amplification due to negative sound loss spawnarg (5913). * Fixed weird glitch on game load (6149). * Removed one frame of latency from "com_smp 0" mode (5875). dev16650-10157 * Volumetric lights reimplemented: dither pattern removed, performance improved (5850). * Added audiograph entity and assets. * Fixed shader compilation with r_softShadowsMipmaps on some Linux AMD GPUs (post). * Fixed bug in new frobstage_xxx material macros (5427). * Massive frobstages refactoring in materials: new macros are used now (5427). * Trace model: limits increased and refactoring (5887). * Massive cleaning of prefabs, automaton station script fix (6013). * Fixed rotten_paper_nancy_hand GUI in world view. * Perfume bottle model uses smooth shading, lampion skin fixes. * Some cleanup: idRenderMatrix memory alignment, face planes in SEED model clone, Elbrus FFmpeg compile fix, old shaders disabled. dev16629-10139 * Added implicit generation of frobstages and simple customization macros (5427, thread). * Added support for OBJ models (thread). * Fixed chandelier_gas4 model (6125), improved wooden chest prefab sounds (4206). * Optimized silhouette preprocessing during model loading. dev16625-10132 * "Light from above" behavior applies only to lights of ambient_world type (6090). * Major changes in normal-dependent ambient shading (6090). * Optimized FixGlobalTJunctions in dmap, restored vertex grid snapping (6085). * Updated "Tears of Saint Lucia" mission with EFX and other fixes (thread). * Replaced algorithm for assigning shadow maps resolution. * Fixed a brief wrong frame with X-ray (6109). * Added getCurInvItemCount script function (6096). * Fixed old rendering backend. * Slightly better culling due to fixed depth bounds computation. * Added textures/darkmod/window/metal_irregularpanes_moonlit_bright (6119). dev16617-10107 * Major changes in ambient/interaction shaders for more consistency (5828, thread). * Major changes in blackjack knockout behavior (4289 thread). * Optimized stencil shadows with antialiasing by using scissors (5851). * Stencil shadow shadows tile-based culling optimization (6076 thread). * Added wiki article (link) about Tracy timeline profiler; thread names fix, print version. * More asset changes to fix warnings, added "load all assets" test maps (6019). * Added teleportArea command, which allows to find area by number (6083). * Refactored ambient interaction shader, deleted unused ambientRimColor (5828). * Fixed overflow crash in idAASBuild::GetFaceForPortal. * Enabled GL debug groups by default, fixed borderless FBO mismatch warnings. * Added transparent grate textures (6089). * Fixed textures/common/mirror. Known issues: * ambientCubicMap broken yet, will be restored in future (6090). * Visual look has changed, mostly with stronger specular. dev16599-10071 * Fixed startup error on: Night to Remember, Cole Hurst 1 Eaton (5845). * Shadow maps refactoring: now volumetrics work if stencil shadows are selected (5880, post). * Fixed SSAO on new AMD driver (post). * Ensured that mission decls silently override same-named core decls (5766). * Fixed order of operations in expressions in materials and GUI scripts (6026). * GUI scripts: do not block autoupdate for window registers referenced in scripts; fixed vector component indexing, allow expressions on the right side of Set command (6028, thread). * Major refactor of objectives GUI: checkboxes no longer empty on failure screen (5852). * Added pm_mantle_tilt_mod cvar to tone down mantle movements. * Fixed noclip while shouldering a body (5244). * Fixed textures/skies/cubeSky material (5218). * Fixed items frobability in cabinet prefabs (6025). * Hundreds of fixes for core asset issues that were detected by a new systematic procedure. There should be far fewer broken assets and console warnings. Ongoing process (6019). * testmap command no longer sets developer mode, saving us from some warnings. * Started refactoring of interaction shaders (5828). dev16574-10036 * Add Dragofer's fully mapped ship prefabs, vintage lamps set, barouche carriage and camgoyle sentry turret with power source (4687) * Added BVH-based interaction culling for large meshes (5886, thread). * Added warnings for wrong GUI code, fixed them in core GUI (5869, thread). * Fixed leaning against non-axis-aligned door (5899). * Fixed skin of non-rotating security camera (6004). * Tweaked inlining and optimization, new debug builds Fast/Editable. * Disabled multiple rendercopies for warping materials (post). * Created materials for previously unreferenced textures, now available for use (5563, 5178) * Fixed 50 skin-related, auto-detected bugs that were generating console warnings (6019) * Female mage legs are now textured (5994) * Adjusted LOD offsets for atdm:nature_pine to avoid popping (3987) * Wooden torches now have burning/burnt tops (1293) * tdm_grass_clump and tdm_wildgrass particles no longer render fullbright (5689) * Added inclusion guards to all core script files (4427) * small_round_furnace_openable.pfb fixed with regards to model gaps and door origin (6018) * Fixed underwater_bubblesbubbles particle (5198) * Fixed burnt log end cap texture alignment (4896) * Added unlit and moonlit versions of textures/darkmod/window/ornate/round_spokes01 (5857) * Added specularmap to rivet_strip01 textures (5999) * Restored plain_robes skin for mages, pagan_orb_effect particle, fix windows in tudor building4 etc. (5690) * Fixed models that made use of missing materials (4390) * Diffusemap for wallpaper_ornamental_01_red now matches its normalmap (4798) * Hardwood materials now use wooden footstep sounds (4988) * Fixed skins for 6-candle chandeliers and nails (5900, 5217) * All fence_spike_01_tall models are now solid (6010) * Fixed typo in shouldered manbeast name (5877) dev16519-9985 * Now AIs think once per frame on low FPS when several game tics are modelled (5992). * More responsive crouch toggle (5973, thread). * Added "absence_alert_increase" as correct implementation of "absence_alert" (5987). * Allow drawing up to 4 postprocessing surfaces, as long as draw order is right (thread). * Missions can be sorted by date in in-game mission downloader. * Added getAnimRate/setAnimRate script events (540). * Fixed lean-peeking sound not always stopping when player goes away from door (5899). * Fixed wrong sounds of func_fracture after save/load (5363). * Fixed scorch and smear01 decals (5970). * Fixed fx/sparks effect, set "triggered 1" for newly added effects (5034). * Fixed startup image/sound warnings on some AIs (5993). * Fixed joints warnings on zombies (5466). * Fixed "screw" skin not showing in DR on appropriate models (5217). * Fixed for frobability in kitchen_cupboard_openable.pfb (5989). * Added editor images for panel_halfcircle_walnut and panel_vase_polished_walnut. * Bumped maximum number of edges to 1 million for stencil shadows, added overflow warning. * Fixed debug cvars tdm_ai_opt_forceopt and tdm_ai_opt_forcedormant 5992). * Tiny optimization: memcpy is now using streaming stores only at vertex cache. * Removed support of bindless textures (5891). * Extracted tdm_package and removed tdm_update source code (5076). dev16498-9944 * Updated Tracy library, hopefully fixed running on Windows 7 (post). * Fixed crash on loading save done while elemental is dying (5845). * Implemented multiloot on holding frob button (5984). * Crouched state does not affect player speed on ladder/rope (5961). * Crouch-toggle takes effect on keydown rather than release (5973). * Added setviewpos to screenshot filename (5819). * Show estimate for total number of pickpockets on end-mission screen (5678). * In-game downloader: show asterisk/sharp at the beginning (5842). * Trigger entities now work on AI which stands still (5319). * Added setObjectiveNotification, which allows to change objective silently (5967). * Added script functions to add/remove frob peers (5976). * AIs notice destroyed fracture entities (5978). * Enabled frobhelper by default (post). * Fixed some architecture skins by Nort. * Fix graffiti materials (5930). * Now default quicksave/quickload are F5/F9 (post). * Minor optimizations: SSE in idRenderMatrix, cache "drunk" spawnarg. * Looped bind does not cause crash, although behavior is undefined (post). Known problems: * Night to Remember, Cole Hurst 1 Eaton: cannot start missions due to hard error. * Painter's Wife: killing elemental should cause hard error (mission fixed). dev16487-9919 * Fixed saving/loading JPEG crash on Linux (5881). * Fixed wrong sound on strafe right (5554). * Major refactoring and optimization on LOD system, LOD entities no longer "think" (5944). * Improved time distribution of stims and LOD checks for more solid performance. * Optimized creation/destruction of script threads. * Optimized idClip = broad phase collision detection (5954). * Reduced size of Linux executable back from 24 MB to 18 MB by removing globals. * Now in-game downloader prints URL of download to game console. Known problems: * Won't boot on Windows 7 dev16485-9903 * Optimized iteration over active entities by switching from linked list to array. * Fixed bow sometimes not working on savegame load (5928). * Allow headbob cvar changes to persist between sessions (post). * Player speed modifiers (like pm_runmod) are no longer archived (post). * Applied Clang build fixes by @Partmedia (post). * Fixed "testVideo withAudio" command. * Fixed unbounded brush AAS warning by trying to process each edge of brush once (5648). * Use double precision for winding splits in dmap and collision. * Reworked FFmpeg player to not use deprecated functions, fixed protocol warning (5881). * Fixed 2GB overflow in printMemInfo. Known problems: * Won't boot on Windows 7 * JPEG saving and loading crashes on Linux. Setting r_screenshot_format to "png" may help... dev16481-9881 * Updated Visual C++ from 2017 to 2022, build game and idlib as on VC project (5820). * Updated all third-party libraries (5881). * Render scale does not affect main menu GUI. * Optimized compass rendering: don't copy depth buffer. * Fixed debug polygons not showing up. * Don't draw debug lines in subviews. * Don't open game console by tilde if com_allowConsole is 0 on Linux (post). * Moving GUI slider with mouse now results in discrete increments. * Restored code for 16-bit colors (via r_fboColorBits cvar only). * Game console bottom line gets thinner on smaller console font. * Added tuneDown command to quickly ender very low graphics mode. * Added r_fboScaling cvar which allows to change Render scale filtering to nearest. * Avoid purging/reloading all images on Alt+Tabbing in Windows. Known problems: * Won't boot on Windows 7 Changelog of earlier versions can be found here.

Changelog of 2.11 development: beta211-08 (rev 16770-10264) * Fixed crash when minimizing TDM on Windows (post). * Added HD carpets (thread). * Fixed player getting delayed and lower damage on high fall ending with mantle (6231). * Removed wrong LOD stage in atdm:env_ragdoll_commoner_female. * Reverted addition of default "map of" inventory item. * Made it easier for modders to substitute invgrid parchment background (6241). beta211-07 (rev 16758-10258) * Fixed extinguished candles stim-lighting each other on game start (6223). * Added menu settings for sheathe toggle, and changed default (6232 thread). * Saint Lucia mission improvements (thread). * Fixed GUI warnings in New Job. * Renamed "New Missions" to "Missions List" in main menu (6230). * Fixed initial difficulty highlight on Objectives screen (6229). * Fixed Objectives title slightly cut off on low text scale (6234). * Added mansion01 window assets (6235). * Fixed normal map of turquoise_uneven (6222). * Allow user to tweak pm_noclipspeed (6237). beta211-06 (rev 16739-10248) * Saint Lucia mission improvements (thread). * Fixed rare crash during melee combat (6225). * Fixed func_peek crash on Linux (5553). * Fixed bottle crash in "Pearls and Swine" (6227). * Fixed textures of cheapbeermug (post). * Fixed warnings in book_ornate_gothic readables (post). * Fixed minor issue in broad phase of collision detection. beta211-05 (rev 16727-10239) * Fixed rare NaN blocks from volumetric lights on AMD driver (post). * Fixed rare thin holes in geometry on low "render scale". * Fixed major performance regression in "r_shadowMapSinglePass 1" mode. * Added subtitles to New Job mission (5914). * Fixed subtitles hidden during CameraView type of cutscene (6197). * Fixed last character of subtitles occasionally clipped away (5914). * Fixed missed alert count if player hides into darkness during guard's combat startup (6211). * Added blueprint assets by Dram. * Fixed UV map in bwindow01_frame model (6217). * Allow female guards to sleep on floor (6208). * Dmap messages about PlanarGraph and EarCut now include 3D world position. * Some minor rounding changes in text placement in GUI. * Restored value of pm_bobup from 2.10. beta211-04 (rev 16714-10226) * Fixed wrong lightgem values briefly after game load/start (6088). * Fixed alert counter for civilians immediate alert (5286). * Some main menu text made translatable (2960). * New assets: Precursor "ancient" loot by Kingsal, galleon wreck, gothic cabinet, grandfather clock with new clock scriptobject, pagan menir (standing stone statue), pair of large marble lion statues, feather duster prop * Make sure all newly created door entities have the right rotate value set (5051) * Fix missing normalmap for audiograph, fixed shadowmesh for armchair_victorian_02.ase * Various small asset fixes (missing faces in LOD stage of boiler02_med.lwo, mangled stairs in galleon.lwo, gaps in spade models, normals on desk2 and desk3 models, UV issues on various other models) (3771). * Improved resolution for shield_goldarms texture (4894). * Added "looping" keyword to looping clock ticking sounds. * Exclude female pagan materials from release builds. beta211-03 (rev 16689-10219) * Avoid copying of large array on AMD, fixing a terrible performance regression (thread). * Enabled Frontend Acceleration = r_useParallelAddModels by default. * Fixed error when same decl file exists packed and unpacked with different case (post). * Don't crash TDM if automation port is occupied: warn, retry, and disable instead (thread). * New Job: the mission is no longer unfinishable if you guess the safe combination without visiting the Lord's room + visportal fixes. * Ambient world prefab: expanded light radius from 1K to 10K. * Added currency pack, cobblestone pack, furniture pack and tiling treasure hoard texture * Added wall mounted locks, improved sofa and leather ottoman * Added star wallpaper * Block CMake build without setting build type (post), fixed CMake + MSVC build. beta211-02 (rev 16670-10208) * Fixed bugs with counting number of alerts (5286, 6186). * Fixed bugs in in-game and savegame screenshots (link). * Disable GL debug groups to fix performance on some AMD drivers. * Added a lot of new assets from Epifire's missions (6188). * Added and refactored locks/safes by Obsttorte, Epifire, Dragofer. * Added book skins by Wellingtoncrab. * Fixed missing wastebasket material in Hazard Pay (link). * Support r_skipAmbient and r_skipInteractions in new backend. * Added spawnarg call_used_action_script on frobable movers. * Fixed definitions of ambient lights with normal-dependent color (6090). * Fixed KOBoxSize not being restored for the sake of blackjack. beta211-01 (rev 16656-10189) * Many improvements in new volumetric lights implementation + added cvars (5850, thread). * r_softShadowsMipmaps: fixed render scale, fixed screenshots. * Faster shadow volume generation with BVH, more cvars and tweaking (5886). * Optimized stencil shadows: turbo shadow vertices are static on GPU. * Improved solidness / visibility logic on models (6175). * Added spawnargs allow_idle_anims and allow_random_headturning. * Avoid sound amplification due to negative sound loss spawnarg (5913). * Fixed weird glitch on game load (6149). * Removed one frame of latency from "com_smp 0" mode (5875). dev16650-10157 * Volumetric lights reimplemented: dither pattern removed, performance improved (5850). * Added audiograph entity and assets. * Fixed shader compilation with r_softShadowsMipmaps on some Linux AMD GPUs (post). * Fixed bug in new frobstage_xxx material macros (5427). * Massive frobstages refactoring in materials: new macros are used now (5427). * Trace model: limits increased and refactoring (5887). * Massive cleaning of prefabs, automaton station script fix (6013). * Fixed rotten_paper_nancy_hand GUI in world view. * Perfume bottle model uses smooth shading, lampion skin fixes. * Some cleanup: idRenderMatrix memory alignment, face planes in SEED model clone, Elbrus FFmpeg compile fix, old shaders disabled. dev16629-10139 * Added implicit generation of frobstages and simple customization macros (5427, thread). * Added support for OBJ models (thread). * Fixed chandelier_gas4 model (6125), improved wooden chest prefab sounds (4206). * Optimized silhouette preprocessing during model loading. dev16625-10132 * "Light from above" behavior applies only to lights of ambient_world type (6090). * Major changes in normal-dependent ambient shading (6090). * Optimized FixGlobalTJunctions in dmap, restored vertex grid snapping (6085). * Updated "Tears of Saint Lucia" mission with EFX and other fixes (thread). * Replaced algorithm for assigning shadow maps resolution. * Fixed a brief wrong frame with X-ray (6109). * Added getCurInvItemCount script function (6096). * Fixed old rendering backend. * Slightly better culling due to fixed depth bounds computation. * Added textures/darkmod/window/metal_irregularpanes_moonlit_bright (6119). dev16617-10107 * Major changes in ambient/interaction shaders for more consistency (5828, thread). * Major changes in blackjack knockout behavior (4289 thread). * Optimized stencil shadows with antialiasing by using scissors (5851). * Stencil shadow shadows tile-based culling optimization (6076 thread). * Added wiki article (link) about Tracy timeline profiler; thread names fix, print version. * More asset changes to fix warnings, added "load all assets" test maps (6019). * Added teleportArea command, which allows to find area by number (6083). * Refactored ambient interaction shader, deleted unused ambientRimColor (5828). * Fixed overflow crash in idAASBuild::GetFaceForPortal. * Enabled GL debug groups by default, fixed borderless FBO mismatch warnings. * Added transparent grate textures (6089). * Fixed textures/common/mirror. Known issues: * ambientCubicMap broken yet, will be restored in future (6090). * Visual look has changed, mostly with stronger specular. dev16599-10071 * Fixed startup error on: Night to Remember, Cole Hurst 1 Eaton (5845). * Shadow maps refactoring: now volumetrics work if stencil shadows are selected (5880, post). * Fixed SSAO on new AMD driver (post). * Ensured that mission decls silently override same-named core decls (5766). * Fixed order of operations in expressions in materials and GUI scripts (6026). * GUI scripts: do not block autoupdate for window registers referenced in scripts; fixed vector component indexing, allow expressions on the right side of Set command (6028, thread). * Major refactor of objectives GUI: checkboxes no longer empty on failure screen (5852). * Added pm_mantle_tilt_mod cvar to tone down mantle movements. * Fixed noclip while shouldering a body (5244). * Fixed textures/skies/cubeSky material (5218). * Fixed items frobability in cabinet prefabs (6025). * Hundreds of fixes for core asset issues that were detected by a new systematic procedure. There should be far fewer broken assets and console warnings. Ongoing process (6019). * testmap command no longer sets developer mode, saving us from some warnings. * Started refactoring of interaction shaders (5828). dev16574-10036 * Add Dragofer's fully mapped ship prefabs, vintage lamps set, barouche carriage and camgoyle sentry turret with power source (4687) * Added BVH-based interaction culling for large meshes (5886, thread). * Added warnings for wrong GUI code, fixed them in core GUI (5869, thread). * Fixed leaning against non-axis-aligned door (5899). * Fixed skin of non-rotating security camera (6004). * Tweaked inlining and optimization, new debug builds Fast/Editable. * Disabled multiple rendercopies for warping materials (post). * Created materials for previously unreferenced textures, now available for use (5563, 5178) * Fixed 50 skin-related, auto-detected bugs that were generating console warnings (6019) * Female mage legs are now textured (5994) * Adjusted LOD offsets for atdm:nature_pine to avoid popping (3987) * Wooden torches now have burning/burnt tops (1293) * tdm_grass_clump and tdm_wildgrass particles no longer render fullbright (5689) * Added inclusion guards to all core script files (4427) * small_round_furnace_openable.pfb fixed with regards to model gaps and door origin (6018) * Fixed underwater_bubblesbubbles particle (5198) * Fixed burnt log end cap texture alignment (4896) * Added unlit and moonlit versions of textures/darkmod/window/ornate/round_spokes01 (5857) * Added specularmap to rivet_strip01 textures (5999) * Restored plain_robes skin for mages, pagan_orb_effect particle, fix windows in tudor building4 etc. (5690) * Fixed models that made use of missing materials (4390) * Diffusemap for wallpaper_ornamental_01_red now matches its normalmap (4798) * Hardwood materials now use wooden footstep sounds (4988) * Fixed skins for 6-candle chandeliers and nails (5900, 5217) * All fence_spike_01_tall models are now solid (6010) * Fixed typo in shouldered manbeast name (5877) dev16519-9985 * Now AIs think once per frame on low FPS when several game tics are modelled (5992). * More responsive crouch toggle (5973, thread). * Added "absence_alert_increase" as correct implementation of "absence_alert" (5987). * Allow drawing up to 4 postprocessing surfaces, as long as draw order is right (thread). * Missions can be sorted by date in in-game mission downloader. * Added getAnimRate/setAnimRate script events (540). * Fixed lean-peeking sound not always stopping when player goes away from door (5899). * Fixed wrong sounds of func_fracture after save/load (5363). * Fixed scorch and smear01 decals (5970). * Fixed fx/sparks effect, set "triggered 1" for newly added effects (5034). * Fixed startup image/sound warnings on some AIs (5993). * Fixed joints warnings on zombies (5466). * Fixed "screw" skin not showing in DR on appropriate models (5217). * Fixed for frobability in kitchen_cupboard_openable.pfb (5989). * Added editor images for panel_halfcircle_walnut and panel_vase_polished_walnut. * Bumped maximum number of edges to 1 million for stencil shadows, added overflow warning. * Fixed debug cvars tdm_ai_opt_forceopt and tdm_ai_opt_forcedormant 5992). * Tiny optimization: memcpy is now using streaming stores only at vertex cache. * Removed support of bindless textures (5891). * Extracted tdm_package and removed tdm_update source code (5076). dev16498-9944 * Updated Tracy library, hopefully fixed running on Windows 7 (post). * Fixed crash on loading save done while elemental is dying (5845). * Implemented multiloot on holding frob button (5984). * Crouched state does not affect player speed on ladder/rope (5961). * Crouch-toggle takes effect on keydown rather than release (5973). * Added setviewpos to screenshot filename (5819). * Show estimate for total number of pickpockets on end-mission screen (5678). * In-game downloader: show asterisk/sharp at the beginning (5842). * Trigger entities now work on AI which stands still (5319). * Added setObjectiveNotification, which allows to change objective silently (5967). * Added script functions to add/remove frob peers (5976). * AIs notice destroyed fracture entities (5978). * Enabled frobhelper by default (post). * Fixed some architecture skins by Nort. * Fix graffiti materials (5930). * Now default quicksave/quickload are F5/F9 (post). * Minor optimizations: SSE in idRenderMatrix, cache "drunk" spawnarg. * Looped bind does not cause crash, although behavior is undefined (post). Known problems: * Night to Remember, Cole Hurst 1 Eaton: cannot start missions due to hard error. * Painter's Wife: killing elemental should cause hard error (mission fixed). dev16487-9919 * Fixed saving/loading JPEG crash on Linux (5881). * Fixed wrong sound on strafe right (5554). * Major refactoring and optimization on LOD system, LOD entities no longer "think" (5944). * Improved time distribution of stims and LOD checks for more solid performance. * Optimized creation/destruction of script threads. * Optimized idClip = broad phase collision detection (5954). * Reduced size of Linux executable back from 24 MB to 18 MB by removing globals. * Now in-game downloader prints URL of download to game console. Known problems: * Won't boot on Windows 7 dev16485-9903 * Optimized iteration over active entities by switching from linked list to array. * Fixed bow sometimes not working on savegame load (5928). * Allow headbob cvar changes to persist between sessions (post). * Player speed modifiers (like pm_runmod) are no longer archived (post). * Applied Clang build fixes by @Partmedia (post). * Fixed "testVideo withAudio" command. * Fixed unbounded brush AAS warning by trying to process each edge of brush once (5648). * Use double precision for winding splits in dmap and collision. * Reworked FFmpeg player to not use deprecated functions, fixed protocol warning (5881). * Fixed 2GB overflow in printMemInfo. Known problems: * Won't boot on Windows 7 * JPEG saving and loading crashes on Linux. Setting r_screenshot_format to "png" may help... dev16481-9881 * Updated Visual C++ from 2017 to 2022, build game and idlib as on VC project (5820). * Updated all third-party libraries (5881). * Render scale does not affect main menu GUI. * Optimized compass rendering: don't copy depth buffer. * Fixed debug polygons not showing up. * Don't draw debug lines in subviews. * Don't open game console by tilde if com_allowConsole is 0 on Linux (post). * Moving GUI slider with mouse now results in discrete increments. * Restored code for 16-bit colors (via r_fboColorBits cvar only). * Game console bottom line gets thinner on smaller console font. * Added tuneDown command to quickly ender very low graphics mode. * Added r_fboScaling cvar which allows to change Render scale filtering to nearest. * Avoid purging/reloading all images on Alt+Tabbing in Windows. Known problems: * Won't boot on Windows 7 Changelog of earlier versions can be found here.

Fresh start. Never with saves. High Expectations is my best bet to force a crash, followed by Volta Cauldron. I have experienced occasional crashes with the bow in different missions since I started playing TDM and I sometimes like playing with a self-imposed no-save policy and I learned not to trust the bow, hence my interest in this bug. In High Expectations I start the mission, take a right turn in the tunnel and go to the square where the Hotel is. I then start acting like crazy: run, crouch, mantle blackjack somebody, raise the bow, press buttons a dozen times, do something else... If I don't get the crash I restart the mission and try again. I eventually get the crash.

congrats on the release thanks for the great mission I played through it and everything worked Ubuntu 22.04 LTS cinnamon desktop .

Alright, here is the crash dump, and here's my system info. Hopefully you can let me know if DR is something I can run on this laptop or not.

Edit: I don't know how often you want to use Linux, But I see the following options: Having Linux on a vitual environment (Hyper V) Dual booting Windows and Linux. Booting a Linux Live usb-stick and then booting tdm from a seperate Linux partition or harddrive (or maybe from that same usb-stick?). I never tried this, but possibly this is fast enough? You might need GPU passthrough for decent performance in Hyper V: https://www.techtarget.com/searchvirtualdesktop/tip/Running-GPU-passthrough-for-a-virtual-desktop-with-Hyper-V Also you need minimum Windows 11 pro (doesn't work on Home). Btw. I have no experience with Hyper V (because I don't use Windows)

The newest version currently is 3.8.0. You could try previous versions (on Windows): https://www.darkradiant.net/download.html to see at which version you get the crash and to not miss too many features with your prehistorical old version 2.8. You can download a portable version of each, although the settings are shared, so it's not really portable.

Anything but reliable, unfortunately. Sorry but I wouldn't waste time discussing the how: it happens by chance very rarely and I cannot guarantee anything except that I will do my best to crash my game as many times as I can. I need direction on how to get useful data out of the crash. Can someone prepare an ad-hoc exe, perhaps? That link you shared scares the hell out of me. As a start, I didn't receive a crash dump

If the "mission fails as soon as stealth score turns non-zero," that would not be good for ghost players. They might need to find out "how" they failed and experiment to avoid alerting guards. They might need to take those score points as a "bust". They might need to take those score points to complete an objective. Then, mission authors would need to encode exceptions into their missions, which would be a lot of work (if they decide to do it at all). However, part of what makes ghosting challenging and fun is when mission authors do not create their missions with ghosting in mind. Please see: Official Ghosting Rules: https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148523 Writing code for these rules would be a huge undertaking. Ghost Rules Discussion: https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148487 Creating an official mode could alienate these dedicated ghost players, because it would clash with what is considered ghosting in the community. Including the Stealth Stat Tool mod in the official release would be more useful. Or, making the audible alert states of guards quick and easy to recognize could help as well. For these reasons, I don't agree with an official "Ghost" mode. If the dev team were to do it, we should consult with @Klatremus so we get it 100% correct or not pursue it at all. (This ghosting bit should probably be in its own thread.)

Thank you. I restarted the mission and this time no crash in the crypt.

Yes: It could then be distributed as a mod that works universally. I may propose it for the modpack! I already did a brief test and it worked: I managed to give the player a guard head while the guard helmet was being worn! But soon after TDM would crash to the main menu, and after a few tweaks to the script even that stopped working and there's only the crash now. Likely some obscure internal issue that can be hopefully tackled in the engine. Thank you, that I shall! And the biggest issue with getting mods to work is the need for a tdm_custom_scripts.script which has been the biggest thorn in the backs of modders: I'd say either execute all scripts automatically the way all files are loaded, or if that's unsafe just allow a script carrying the name of the pk4 to be auto-executed.

To cater to both audiences. I mentioned LibreGameWiki as one example. nbohr1more mentioned other uses. Explicitly allowing reuse and spread will help TDM reach a wider audience and would hopefully attract more volunteers. More volunteers which can help improve both TDM versions. There are several benefits for a project of being in the Debian repo. One is that TDM Debian-users can report defects on any package directly to Debian (no need to register on separate forums). Debian may then fix the issue themselves (in their "TDM-libre" package) and will offer the patch upstream to TDM, who can then choose to accept or reject the patch. I envision "TDM-libre" to have the same capability of downloading any mission as regular TDM. The only difference is that "TDM-libre" would come packaged with the regular engine (which is GPL+BSD) and an included mission that has libre media/gamedata. When I play TDM by myself, I want the unlimited-play and can accept commercial restrictions. But if I were to promote it somewhere, or charge for a stream when playing online, or make a video, I would want a version without commercial restrictions (and can temporarily accept limited-play) to make sure I don't violate anyone's copyright. Perhaps. That's what I'm trying to find out.

Trying to play "The adventures of Thomas: Lucy's quest" This consistently crash when witnessing the "entertainment". What I tried: 1. Disabling SMT by "echo off > /sys/devices/system/cpu/smt/control" 2. Disabling all (except one) CPU's by issuing "echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuN/online" Results: Neither of this changed anything- the same pthread_join() error and dump as above.

I suggest you use the term "I", to make clear that it is something YOU want, and that you speak for yourself. But, as wesp5 mentioned, I don't really know what this is about, at all. And, I'm also wondering about all the newly registered people lately, who just arrived at this forum, and already want to revolutionize this mod. This is a thing I noticed 2 or 3 years ago, and which hasn't been present in the 15 years I play this mod and frequent these forums now. Really seems like a common thing these days, to not knock on the door, but kick it in, and stomp right in.

TDM has tons of textures from "free" texture resources that do not allow redistribution and cannot be incorporated into a commercial project. Someone would need to create a huge replacement pack of textures that do not break the look of existing missions and do not infringe on the copyrighted textures. Also, many artists who contributed to this project do not want 3rd party entities to use their work in commercial projects. They intended the models, textures, sounds, animations to be exclusively used for Darkmod content. You would either have to replace ALL assets or contact every contributor and ask them to re-license their assets. Many contributors are no longer active with the project and haven't visited the forums in years so it would be no easy feat. I cannot speak to Debian policy but I think that they treat installers that add non-free content the same as non-free content itself. One could argue that Steam is such an installer but I guess Debian would counter that there are a few fully Libre games on Steam. I think Debian, Ubuntu, or Linux Mint need to consider a repo that allows for games (etc) that include non-libre content but intentionally offer this content for free to the community with no stipulations other than "don't try to sell it as a product".

The gamepad implementation allows for a great degree of flexibility to personalize settings, aside from a few minor issues that I mentioned here: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/22337-gamepad-bindings/ I would say that playing TDM with a gamepad works very well, especially considering that it was implemented as experimental and hasn't been changed since then. If I could, I'd go back to 2021-you and congratulate you on buying that gamepad. I notice that your DarkmodPadbinds.cfg looks very different from mine...

It seems like more and more "thief" and "thief players" is becoming a short hand to dismiss community members earnest desire to improve the game - which happens to be a barely legally distinct "thief style" game which was made by thief fans for thief fans and is "designed to simulate the stealth gameplay of Thief". Who is the predominant player base of the game supposed to be beyond fans of the thief games? Is there some better avenue to find feedback for the game beyond this forum? FOSS and linux forums? I have seen maybe half a dozen posts from that segment. I am a thief fan, I play thief fms, my association with those games is what drives me to play and make things for this game. Are we supposed to pretend the original games are not a huge reason why most of us are here at all? TL;DR version:

Thanks! 1) Doing LONG_PRESS PAD_A (what I, for lack of knowledge, call "jump-mantle" or "_jumpmantle") differs from doing PRESS PAD_A ("_jump"). "_jumpmantle" differs from "_mantle", so they must be mapped to different button-calls. "_jumpmantle" differs from "_jump", so they must also be mapped to different button-calls. This appears to be the case, but it is not evident (or changeable) in DarkmodPadbinds.cfg. "_jumpmantle" seems to be hard coded to always connect to the same button as "_jump" but with a long press. It is as if bindPadButton PRESS PAD_A "_jump" is not actually just binding PRESS PAD_A to "_jump", but rather interpreted as "link PAD_A (regardless of button press time) to behave exactly like keyboard SPACE for short and long presses". I would have expected the default DarkmodPadbinds.cfg to explicitly read: bindPadButton PRESS PAD_A "_jump" bindPadButton LONG_PRESS PAD_A "_jumpmantle" bindPadButton PRESS PAD_B "_crouch" bindPadButton LONG_PRESS PAD_B "_mantle" ... but neither LONG_PRESS PAD_A or "_jumpmantle" is listed in the file. If there are actions "_jump" and "_mantle", I suppose there must also be an action "_jumpmantle" since it is possible for the player to do all those movements: * "_mantle" does the movements "crouch on the high surface, then stand up" * "_jumpmantle" idoes the movements "jump slightly forward, then land standing on the high surface" * "_jump" idoes the movements "jump up, then land exactly where you started" If the actions "_jump" and "_moveup" are not synonymous, then perhaps the action "_moveup" is what i call "_jumpmantle"? 2) Thanks for the link! It was useful in more than one way. I'll link to that page from https://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=Bindings_and_User_Settings#Gamepad_Default_Bindings if I can get an account on the wiki, which proved more difficult than i thought (https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/22327-how-can-i-create-an-account-on-the-tdm-wiki/). However, it does not answer my question how to find out the name ("<button>") used for a button on my gamepad. Basically, I would need to press the button on my gamepad and some program could tell me "That button is called 'PAD_A'". In my case, I have a gamepad "Logitech F310" (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Logitech_F310_Gamepad.jpg) which has a "Logitech button" (see image) that I want to use. I was hoping to find out the "button name" for that button and then edit DarkmodPadbinds.cfg to map it to a function. 3) ... but if that button has an "unusual name" that TDM does not recognize, then it may perhaps not work. E.g. if that button is called "PAD_LOGITECH" and TDM cannot recognize that name, then I cannot map anything to it via DarkmodPadbinds.cfg. Using QJoyPad I can map any keyboard key to it instead, as a workaround, but I cannot map MODIFIER to it (since MODIFIER cannot be set to a keyboard key). If current implementation is still called "experimental", then I must say it works very well; @cabalistic: kudos for that! I may not have continued playing TDM had it not worked with a gamepad.