Sotha Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 There are some well-informed people on the forums, so I was thinking of presenting some thoughts for your critical analysis. This is a bit uncommon internet post for our era because I hope your input can change my line of reasoning instead of echo-chambering the same message back, tenfold. To save your time, I present the thing briefly: 1) Humans are exceeding the global resource limits. 2) The economic system incentives or requires infinite growth and increased consumption, while issue 1) is still in play. 3) The society and welfare is built based on the premise of infinite growth and increasing productivity, both of which increases 1) and 2). 4) One might argue that new technology might change things, but thus far it looks like technology only increases 1), 2) and 3). Even if you invent the miracle of zero-cost-energy-from-nowhere, you still need to consume material resources. Better technology in general means more and faster consumption, not less. Sometimes tech improves efficiency and decreases waste, but the desired net effect is increased production and consumption, always. 5) Global warming (among other things) is caused by all 1, 2, 3 and 4. All the stuff mentioned above seems to be an eternal no-way-out feedback loop that accelerates the release of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. After some level, the feedback loop doesn't even need human activity to accelerate. 6) Global warming is expected to cause political, economical, etc crises, wars and famine. ---above this line is mostly facts, below this line things get sketchy--- 7) Things mentioned in 6) causes societal collapse. Loss of food stocks and mass migrations should be very destabilizing to modern societies. Revolution/unrest is only N missed meals away. Whatever N is, is irrelevant. N will be reached, and the question is only when? 8) Large enough simultaneous societal collapse in several countries means the end of civilization as we know it. 9) After the collapse, there will be millions dead, and the remaining people are probably living in the woods or polluted ruins with simple technology. Continuing our current lifestyle would only bring about another collapse later. I've got to live a nice life being part of this consumption era, so in the end, I'm probably getting what I deserve, but I'm wondering about the future of my kids. As a parent, my main reason of existence now is to maximize the chances of my offspring. Record temperatures and wildfires every year. Extreme weather and crop failure years are the norm now rather than exception. To me, it looks like it is starting to escalate now. The fan is already on and the shit is being loaded onto the release mechanism above it. Since it is large scale human influence on the environment, all the individual can do to watch and wait it to happen. So the end questions are:Q1: am I crazy when I think about these things? Every time I do, I follow the same line of thoughts to the same inevitable conclusion. Q2: should we be teaching survival skills to our children, instead of AI programming? Should one invest in guns and ammo instead of stocks and funds? Should we be stocking some MRE to a hidden bunker somewhere?Q3: what does your get-out-of-dodge -bag contain? Where do you go when shit hits the fan? Does it even help? It could be after our natural life spans (do we even care, then?), or it could be within the next 20 years. Not once do I find a comforting result in this line of thinking without deliberately overlooking something. It is worrisome. Thank you for pointing me my error. Quote Clipper-The mapper's best friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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