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There aren't good alrounders, as they say, who pretend to do everything, only can do these badly. It's way better to use an AI specialized in specific tasks if you want the best results. A Swiss army knife can do a lot of things, but never can substitute a real knife, saw, scissor, screwdriver..... same for "allround" AIs,

Welcome to the Snatcher's Workshop. Come on in, we may have something for you today. Feel free to look around. We trade everything here. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- We realize new ideas and take existing ideas for a spin. For fun. Somewhere in this post you will find a download with mods. Good care was put to make all mods as little intrusive as possible to make them compatible with as many missions as possible. This set of mods will never break your game but some features won't be available in a handful of missions (the reasons are known). Feel free to report here what works and what doesn't. TDM Modpack vs. Unofficial Patch With the release of recent versions of the TDM Modpack I consider the most relevant features of the Unofficial Patch have been matched, superseded, improved, or simply implemented in different ways. More importantly, the TDM Modpack is not only tightly packed and it has a minimal impact in your install but it achieves more by altering less core files, meaning more compatibility and less maintenance. One can, of course, argue. TDM Modpack 5.0 Compatible with The Dark Mod 2.13 (only) A lightweight, stable, non-intrusive, mission-friendly Modpack for The Dark Mod that includes many enhancements and a new set of tools and abilities for our protagonist: peek through doors, blow and ignite candles, whistle to distract enemies, mark your location, an invisibility-speed combo and more. Mods included in the pack do not alter your game or any of the missions in any relevant way. The pack includes enhancements to the core game and additions that can be used in missions but at the same time respects the vision of the mission creators. It is up to you to make use of any of the new tools and abilities or not. Please note that sometimes authors include in their missions their own versions of core files and as a result, some mods are not available in some missions. All missions will play fine regardless. Release posts: v5 series: v5.0 v4 series: v4.0 | v4.2 | v4.5 | v4.6 v3 series: v3.0 | v3.2 | v3.3 | v3.4 | v3.5 | v3.6 | v3.8 v2 series: v2.0 | v2.2 | v2.4 | v2.5 | v2.6 | v2.7 | v2.8 v1 series: v1.0 | v1.2 | v1.4 | v1.6 | v1.8 What's included in the pack? -:- APP: GENERIC MOD ENABLER -:- Credits: JoneSoft License: Free for unlimited time for Home users and non-profit organizations. Description: A portable, freely distributable Mod enabler/disabler. This application is required to run mods safely and it is included in the pack. At the heart of the Modpack resides JSGME (JoneSoft Generic Mod Enabler), an application that allows players to enable and disable mods with one click. JSGME has been around for more than a decade and it is to be fully trusted. Refer to the install instructions section at the bottom for full details. -:- MOD: CORE ESSENTIALS -:- A pack that includes a variety of mods from the best modders of TDM: ~ FAST DOORS Credits: Idea and programming by Obsttorte. Treatment by snatcher. Availability: All missions except Noble Affairs, Seeking Lady Leicester, Shadows of Northdale ACT II, Snowed Inn, The Imperial Sword, Volta 3: Gemcutter and a handful of lesser missions. Description: Being chased? In a rush? No problem: doors open and close faster when running. Topic: Slam doors open while running ~ QUIET DOORS Credits: An idea by SeriousToni (Sneak & Destroy mission). Mod by snatcher. Availability: All missions except Noble Affairs, Seeking Lady Leicester, Shadows of Northdale ACT II, Snowed Inn, The Imperial Sword, Volta 3: Gemcutter and a handful of lesser missions. Description: A vast number of doors play more subtle, sneaky sounds for a quieter, stealthier experience. This applies to doors that come with default sounds but only when manipulated by the player. Topic: Decrease volume of open/close door sounds triggered by player ~ LOOT ANIMATIONS Credits: Original idea by Goldwell (Noble Affairs mission). Programming by Obsttorte. Treatment by snatcher and wesp5. Availability: All missions except You Only Fly Thrice and a bunch of missions that come with their own implementation (tdm_frobactions.script). Description: Moves the loot towards the player before putting it in the inventory, underlining the impression of actually taking it. This mod comes with a subtle new loot sound that goes along nicely with the animation. ~ DYNAMIC INVENTORY Credits: snatcher. Availability: All missions. Description: When picking up loot this mod displays the loot info in the inventory and shortly after reverts back to the last non-loot item selected. The mod in addition, remembers the last item selected when shouldering and unshouldering a body. ~ SMART CONTAINERS Credits: Obsttorte (source code updates), Dragofer (similar attempts), snatcher. Availability: All missions. Description: To facilitate looting, the bottom of many containers (chests, jewellery boxes, etc...) gets automatically disabled at the beginning of the mission and only the lid remains frobable. ~ STEALTH MONITOR Credits: kcghost, Dragofer, snatcher. Availability: All missions. Description: Display some stats (Suspicions / Searches / Sightings) and the Stealth Score during a mission. Just bring up the "Loot" inventory icon and press "Use" (or setup a dedicated key). ~ STEALTH ALERT Credits: snatcher. Availability: All missions. Description: Completing a mission without being seen is something that can be done with some practice and patience. This mod will play an alerting chime whenever you are seen so that you don't have to monitor the Stealth stats all the time. ~ BLINKING ITEMS Credits: snatcher. Availability: All missions. Requisites: Console command r_newFrob must be 0, which is the game default. Description: Items within frob distance that go into the inventory (plus static readables) emit a subtle blink. This pulse can help you identify some valuable items that otherwise are difficult to detect. Topic: New Frob Shader ~ SMART OBJECTS Credits: snatcher, Dragofer. Availability: All missions. Description: Display actor and object names whenever you grab an entity with a name. In addition, objects (except AI entities) do not make or propagate sounds on impact while being manipulated. Topics: No impact sounds while holding an object / Nameless objects... a missed opportunity ~ FRAGILE BOTTLES Credits: snatcher. Availability: All mission except for few items in A Reputation to Uphold and Shadows of Northdale ACT I & ACT II. Description: No stealth game is complete without some good bottle smashing! There are hundreds and hundreds of bottles in our mission catalogue: go to your nearest kitchen, take a bottle and throw it to distract AI, extinguish fires... Topic: Breakable throwables ~ ALT FOOTSTEPS ON WATER Credits: SeriousToni. Availability: All missions except Hazard Pay, Noble Affairs, Shadows of Northdale ACT I and ACT II, Snowed Inn, Volta 2: Cauldron and a handful of lesser missions. Description: Alternative sounds of footsteps on water for our protagonist (walk / run / land). Topic: New Footstep sounds ~ MISCELLANEOUS Re-worked Inventory menu (more compact). Items can be sorted. Inventory count removed for non-stackable items. Alternative high mantle sound for our protagonist. Removed two anticlimactic player dying sounds Revamped and extended "Mission Complete" audio theme. Standardization of frob distances for some doors. Decreased brightness of the Objectives and the Inventory. Decreased brightness of stock newspapers. Player weapons are visually visible in the dark. -:- MOD: PLAYER SKILLS -:- A new "Skills" category is added to the inventory on mission load and the category includes the below abilities: ~ SKILL: PEEK Credits: Dragofer, snatcher, wesp5 Availability: All missions. Description: When the item is selected the player can peek through any regular door. Select the item in the inventory and "Use" it on a door. Topic: Peek through (almost) every door ~ SKILL: BLOW / IGNITE Credits: Dragofer, wesp5, Obsttorte, snatcher. Availability: All missions. Description: When the item is selected the player can blow out and light up candles and oil lamps. Select the item in the inventory and "Use" it on small flame sources. Topic: Extinguish small lights with a blow ~ SKILL: WHISTLE Credits: snatcher. Availability: All missions. Description: When the item is selected the player can whistle and draw the attention of nearby AI. The more you whistle, the more attention it draws. Select the item in the inventory and just "Use" it. Keep a safe distance. ~ SKILL: ALCHEMY Credits: OrbWeaver, MirceaKitsune, datiswous, wesp5, snatcher. Availability: All missions. Description: When the item is selected the player can alter the properties of broadhead arrows by applying different reagents. Select the item in the inventory and "Use" it repeatedly to cycle through the different arrow types. Topic: Alchemy to alter arrow properties? Arrow types: Shadow arrow compound or "Darkdust": Widely believed to be a myth, little to nothing is known about anti-light matter. Where did our protagonist get his formula from? When this substance is subject to strain the particles implode and the residual component absorbs light until it dissipates completely. Flare arrow compound or "Starlight": A recipe based on luminescent mushrooms and other exotic herbs. The resulting powder produces, for limited time, a dim but steady blue-ish glow when mixed with the right reactive. A high concentration of the active mixture can cause a burning sensation to the eyes. ~ SKILL: LOOP Credits: snatcher. Availability: All missions. Description: When the item is selected the player can teleport between two points. You can activate the loop any time and use it to quickly travel back to a safe location, to explore two different areas in parallel or to ambush AI. If the loop fails keep trying, you should be able to get to your destination eventually. If your path forward is blocked you can break the loop by pressing the "use" key for 10 seconds, just make sure you are on the correct side of the loop... ~ SKILL: PENUMBRA Credits: VanishedOne (speed potion), kingsal (invisibility potion), snatcher (alchemy). Availability: All missions. Description: When the item is selected the player can avoid light sources and run faster than usual for limited time. Health consumed will gradually be restored. Penumbra doesn't muffle the noise you make and it doesn't work when in contact with water. THE PATH TO UMBRA: How to become one with the shadows Did you know? You can set key bindings for the skills by clicking on the Modpack banner in the Main screen: -:- MOD: CLASSIC BLACKJACK -:- Credits: Obsttorte, snatcher. Availability: All missions except A House of Locked Secrets. Description: A straightforward approach to blackjacking with new rules and mechanics inspired by the original Thief games. Never miss a KO again! - No indicator required. "Classic Blackjack" rules: Some AI are KO-immune and cannot be KOed: * Undead, creatures... * Guards wearing heavy helmets (to respect TDM vision) * Other: set by mission authors for the plot, in example The rest of AI can be KOed, just aim for the head: * Civilians: Can always be knocked out from any direction * Combatants: Can always be knocked out (including when fleeing) from any direction except when in high alert state (normally in combat mode) As reference, you can find in the Wiki the set of rules of the non-modded TDM: https://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=The_Dark_Mod_Gameplay#Blackjacking -:- MOD: FLASH GRENADE -:- Credits: snatcher, kingsal. Availability: All missions except Hazard Pay and Moongate Ruckus. Description: Flashbombs are clumsy and loud but as effective as ever. Instead of throwing Flashbombs like a cannonball we now toss them. Instead of exploding on impact Flashbombs now have a fuse. The chances of blinding have been greatly increased. -:- MOD: FORWARD LANTERN -:- Credits: snatcher. Availability: All missions except Flakebridge Monastery, Hazard pay, Moongate Ruckus, Snowed Inn, Vota 1, 2 & 3. Description: The mod replaces the light of the player lantern with a subtle forward facing version. -:- MOD: HUNTER BOW -:- Credits: snatcher. Availability: Most missions (a few missions do things differently but you should never notice). Description: Nock and draw arrows at a faster rate. Extended radius of gas arrow effect. Chance to retrieve rope arrows when missing a shot. -:- MOD: LIGHT STONES -:- Credits: Idea by Zerg Rush, snatcher. Availability: All missions. Requisites: Lightgem enabled in Gameplay > General settings. Description: Splits the Light Gem into smaller stones with unique light detection levels. -:- MOD: RING HELPER -:- Credits: snatcher. Availability: All missions but the ring is dimmer when using the x-ray glasses or other overlays. Requisites: Frob Helper enabled in Gameplay > General settings. Description: The mod replaces the white dot pointer (Frob Helper) with an advanced ring-shaped aimer. The main difference is that the helper is now available for all objects you can interact with, large or small. Topic: Frob Helper discussion Options in Gameplay > General > Show Frob Helper: Always: Pointer and Ring Hover: Instant Ring Fade In: Ring delayed by one second Fade In Fast: Ring delayed by half second No: Off -:- MOD: SHADOW MARK -:- Credits: snatcher, Obsttorte. Availability: All missions. Description: Our protagonist's lucky deck! When the item is selected the player can drop and throw playing cards to mark a location. Cards can be retrieved. AI will not normally mind a single card lying around but cards can sometimes be noticed. Topic: Find more details in this post -:- MOD: SHOCK MINE -:- Credits: wesp5, snatcher. Availability: All missions. Description: This mod replaces the Flashmines with portable contraptions originally intended to store energy that have been altered to deliver a non-lethal electric shock to those who step on them. Remember: mines can be disarmed with the lockpicks! -:- MOD: SIMPLE SUBTITLES -:- Credits: Geep, stgatilov, snatcher. Availability: All missions. Description: A minimalist, imperfect approach to subtitles (you can set the scope of the subs in the audio settings). Topics: Subtitles - Possibilities Beyond 2.11 / English Subtitles for AI Barks Go to the audio settings and set the scope you prefer: Story: Story only On: Story and general speech (Give it a try!) Off: Disable subtitles Features of the mod: Background replaced with a font outline. Audio source widget replaced with a text transparency based on distance (volume) to the source. Yellow font color for story subs for best contrast, light grey font color for anything else. Non-story subs limited to a single instance, so that players aren't bothered too much with non-relevant subs (barks). --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DOWNLOADS / INSTALL / UNINSTALL So, how do I install and play with all this? Quite easy, but pay attention. I don't want you to break your game so we will be using a "Mod Enabler". A Mod Enabler allows you to enable and disable mods at will, with a few clicks. Before moving forward you must know a couple of things: The moment you enable a mod, previous saves will not work. If you want to load previous saves then you will have to disable the mod. If you play a mission with mods, the saves will only work when that exact set of mods are enabled. This above is important in case you deem your current saves precious. Consider yourself informed. DOWNLOADS You can download the TDM Modpack from Mod DB: INSTALL INSTRUCTIONS Download the zip, unzip it, and move contents to your TDM root folder: Folder "MODS" File "JSGME.exe" Go to your TDM root folder and double click on JSGME.exe (yellow icon). The first time you launch JSGME, it will ask for the "Mods Folder Name". Leave "MODS" and click OK. Now to your left you will find a list of mods available. To your right you will find a list of mods currently enabled. To enable a mod, select a mod on the left, and click on the arrow pointing to the right. To disable a mod, select a mod on the right, and click on the arrow pointing to the left. Go and enable the mods you want: UNINSTALL INSTRUCTIONS Quit the game (to unblock files) Go to your TDM root folder and double click on JSGME.ese (yellow icon) Disable all mods found on the right Close JSGME Delete the following: Folder "MODS" File "JSGME.exe" File "JSGME.ini" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hope you enjoy the mods. No coin? then leave a like for pirate's sake!

Apparently that was changed in Apr 21, 2024: https://github.com/codereader/DarkRadiant/commit/81df38802245740ce53671a7560584ecfc18cf79 I wouldn't know the reason why. Not sure who to ask either. Is Matthew Mott on the forums? I'll take a look. Have you updated any of the other tickets with their current state as of the latest version? If they still happen, or possibly, happen differently?

I think we should create a thread where you can put requests and suggestions for Orbweaver. This thread should be NOT a discussion thread. If you want to discuss a proposal, create a specific thread for it. I want it to be only for collecting proposals, so we have an overview of what people might want to have. I guess this might also help Orb to decide what he should focus on once he gets productive. BTW: I really appreciate your effort, because we can really use this. So my personal wishlist proposal is that I would like to see a group handler. Similar like in Blender, where you can select several objects and put it in a group. When you select one or more of these groups, the objects are visible. If the group is not selected, it's invisible. In Blender and other 3D apps this is called layers (forgot the name before so I had to look it up).

"When the leaves change and the air is still, there is a quiet." -Lady Blackbriar -=| DISPLACEMENT |=- BY AMADEUS & WELLINGTONCRAB = DOWNLOAD = <( | )> -PLAYS BEST ON 2.14- -JOIN THE BETA NOW- "Seek not the prideful sin that is perfection The Builder's light shines through all flaws. It is His wisdom to recognize a thing is done Before it is ever truly finished." -St. Edgar's Sermon of Rust LAMPFIRE HILLS... They say the woods around here give the tourists bad dreams, but I don't mind. I like it here. I feel like a piece of me belongs here. ... That it fits. DISPLACEMENT is a medium-sized traditional manor mission with a highly variable playtime. *2.14 provides a number of improvements to gameplay, performance, and stability. It is strongly encouraged to play on the latest 2.14 beta release. Join in testing now!* *Mods such as the “Unofficial Patch” and “TDM Modpack” are not supported by this mission and should be used at your own risk* https://www.thiefguild.com/fanmissions/97429/displacement CREDITS: ADDITIONAL MUSIC: -AIRSHIP BALLET -GIGAGOOGA ADDITIONAL SCRIPTING: -DRAGOFER -OBSTORTTE -FROST SALAMANDER -KINGSAL ADDITIONAL ASSETS: -KINGSAL -TDASH -SKACKY -BIKERDUDE -GOLDWELL -EPIFIRE -STRUNK -SHANNEN ART -POLYHAVEN -TEXTURES.COM -SKETCHFAB CULTURAL HERITAGE CC0 COMMUNITY -LOISTE INTERACTIVE -COLINFIZGIG -CDMIR BETA TESTERS: -KINGSAL -GOLDWELL -MAT99 -FROST SALAMANDER -MIKE A -STGATILOV -STIFU -MARBLEMAN -DETEEFF -THEBIGH FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGMENTS: -STIFU FOR HIS EFFORT IN FIXING THE NOTORIOUS STUCK AI AND ARROW CRASH BUGS. -STGATILOV WHO MADE A NUMBER OF 2.14 OPTIMIZATIONS AND BUG FIXES. -KINGSAL FOR PROVIDING SOME OF THE MAIN MENU GUI ASSETS -PURAH FOR ORIGINATING THE SETTING OF LAMPFIRE HILLS, REIMAGINED HERE, IN HIS THIEF FMS. -GUY-ON THE COUCH AND JAM61 FOR THEIR SILENT HILL COMMUNITY MAPS WHICH HEAVILY INSPIRED THE LAMPFIRE HILLS REGION MAP. -SPECIAL THANKS TO LOISTE INTERACTIVE FOR ALLOWING US TO USE ASSETS FROM THEIR GAME "INFRA." SOME ADDIITONAL DETAILED LICENSING INFORMATION: SOME NOTES ON PERFORMANCE: NOTE TO MAPPERS: MOST OF THE NEW ASSETS IN THE MISSION ARE INCLUDED IN THE 2.14 BETA RELEASE.

I've gotten quite a lot of use out of the normalise feature; it'd be nice if it stayed.

Now I have more mobility, something I didn't anticipate was replacing my PC with a laptop. But it seems like this is just a plan. Laptops with an RTX 5060 GPU (high TGP) are really out of my price range ($200-250 price increase). Those with an RTX 5050 have also gone up by $130-$160. I'm looking for a dual heatpipe configuration (definitely dual fans) That feeling when you ask a seller on an e-commerce platform and they tell you they've raised the price by $150-$200 from the original price via chat. All the product price tags feel misleading. The prices are intentionally not updated. I do hate bait and switch pricing By the way, I haven't heard of the brands Sager or Clevo in a long time. I wonder where they are now.

This thread is intended for discussing and reporting things about the new frob changes during beta. Most of the description below was already given in a previous thread. Bugtracker: #6658, #6668. New Frob Control Styles I have completely refactored the frob-handling code. Now, it is easy to setup different frob control styles. There are currently 3 (and a half), which you can try in 2.14 beta. Under "Settings > Gameplay > General > Hold Frob/Interact" (cvar tdm_frob_control_style), you can change the frob control style. This setting replaced the previous hold frob delay setting (tdm_holdfrob_delay), because I think that nobody would touch that value unless they want to disable the holdfrob mechanic, which can now be achieved by the new setting as well. The currently available control styles are: Disabled: No hold-frob mechanic, i.e., pre v2.12 control style TDM: Short frob is the same as pre v2.12, but long frob is a shortcut for "grab and then use" (use-type interactions) Thief (v2.12): Same as TDM, but behaviour for bodies is swapped. Body limbs are interacted with via "drag and drop". TDM-inverted: Short frob for use-type interactions, hold frob to "drag and drop" objects (when you release the mouse button, you will release the object) I always loved the drag and drop interaction with body limbs created by Daft Mugi and I wanted to see it consistently extended to all objects, which motivated the refactor. I am very happy with the result and I hope you players enjoy it as much as I do. The Thief control style will still remain the default settings, however, as I didn't want to open that can of worms. Hold-Frob Mechanic for Doors There was previously no hold-frob mechanic for doors, except for experimental manual door control feature. I have added two additional new control modes for hold-frob on doors, which you can activate through the cvar tdm_door_control. The modes are: 0: Disabled 1: Manual door fine control (experimental, existing feature) 2: Hold frob to slowly move doors. They are opened and closed alternatingly, just like regular frobbing a door, but interrupting a moving door is skipped. 3: Hold frob to slowly open doors. Additionally, I added in the ability to quickly force close a door by holding frob and pressing attack. It felt like mode 3 ("Slow Open") gave the most benefits and most direct controls to the player and pairs well with the force-close mechanic. So, I just set "Slow Open" as the default and I did not add it to the settings menu, but you are of course encouraged to try the other modes as well. The idea behind this addition is that the player can now slowly sneak and peak through a door, but then can also quickly shut the door again if the player deems the situation unsafe. This adds more skill expression and creates further immersion. 2.14 Beta Please use this thread to report any issues with frobbing (always state tdm_frob_control_style and tdm_door_control configuration), the new door control modes (please test them rigorously) and to give feedback on any of the above changes. UPDATE: These changes were removed in beta214-07. Pinging players that previously showed interest in this: @wesp5, @snatcher, @Baal, @Skaruts, @Wellingtoncrab, @Amadeus

Complaint From Players The player must pick up candles before extinguishing them, and then the player must remember to drop the candle. The player must drag a body before shouldering it (picking it up), and the player must remember to frob again to stop dragging the body. The player finds this annoying or easy to make mistakes. For players who ghost, some of them have the goal of returning objects back to their original positions. With the current "pick up, use item, and drop" system, the item might not return easily or at all to its original position. For example, a candlestick might bounce off its holder. (See player quotes at the bottom.) Bug Tracker https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=6316 Problems to Solve How can the "pick up" step be eliminated so that the player can directly use or interact with the item where it is in the game world? How can so much key pressing and mouse clicking be eliminated when the player wants to directly use an item? How can candles be extinguished and lanterns toggled off/on without first picking them up? How can bodies be shouldered without first dragging them? Solution Design Goals Make TDM easier for new players while also improving it for longtime players. Reduce tedious steps for common frob interactions. Make it intuitive so that menu settings are unnecessary. Do not introduce bugs or break the game. Terms frob -- the frob button action happens instantly. hold frob -- the frob button is held for 200ms before the action happens. (This can be changed via cvar: 200ms by default.) Proposed Solution Note: Some issues have been struckthrough to show changes since the patch has been updated. Change how frobbing works for bodies, candles, and lanterns. For bodies: Frob to shoulder (pick up) a body. Second frob to drop shouldered body, while allowing frob on doors, switches, etc. Hold frob (key down) to start drag, continue to hold frob (key down) to drag body, and then release frob (key up) to stop dragging body. Also, a body can be dragged immediately by holding frob and moving the mouse. For candles/lanterns: Frob to extinguish candles and toggle off/on lanterns. Hold frob to pick it up, and then frob again to drop. Frob to pick it up, and then frob again to drop. Hold frob to extinguish candles and toggle off/on lanterns. For food: Frob to pick it up, and then frob again to drop. Hold frob to eat food. For other items: No change. New cvar "tdm_frobhold_delay", default:"200" The frob hold delay (in ms) before drag or extinguish. Set to 0 for TDM v2.11 (and prior) behavior. Solution Benefits Bodies: New players will have less to learn to get started moving knocked out guards. With TDM v2.11 and earlier, some players have played several missions before realizing that they could shoulder a body instead of dragging it long distances. Frob to shoulder body matches Thief, so longtime Thief players will find it familiar. Second frob drops a shouldered body. Players still have the ability to both shoulder and drag bodies. Compatible with the new auto-search bodies feature. Dragging feels more natural -- just grab, hold, and drop with a single button press. There is no longer the need to press the button twice. Also, it's no longer possible to walk away from a body while unintentionally dragging it. Set "tdm_frobhold_delay" cvar to delay of 0 to restore TDM v2.11 (and prior) behavior. Candles: New players will have less to learn to get started extinguishing candles. With TDM v2.11 and earlier, some players didn't know they could extinguish candles by picking them up and using them. Instead, they resorted to throwing them to extinguish them or hiding them. Hold frob to extinguish a candle feels like "pinching" it out. Once a candle is picked up, players still have the ability to manipulate and use them the same way they are used to in TDM v2.11 and earlier. For players who ghost and have the goal of putting objects back to their original positions, they'll have an easier time and not have to deal with candles popping off their holders when trying to place them back carefully. Set "tdm_frobhold_delay" cvar to delay of 0 to restore TDM v2.11 (and prior) behavior. Solution Issues Bodies: Frob does not drop a shouldered body, so that might be unexpected for new players. This is also different than Thief where a second frob will drop a body. "Use Inv. Item" or "Drop Inv. Item" drops the body. This is the same as TDM v2.11 and earlier. This is the price to pay for being able to frob (open/close) doors while shouldering a body. Patch was updated to drop body on second frob, while allowing frob on doors, switches, etc. Candles: Picking up a candle or lantern requires a slight delay, because the player must hold the frob button. The player might unintentionally extinguish a candle while moving it if they hold down frob. The player will need to learn that holding frob will extinguish the candle. The player can change the delay period via the "tdm_frobhold_delay" cvar. Also, when the cvar is set to a delay of 0, the behavior matches TDM v2.11 and earlier, meaning the player would have to first "Frob/Interact" to pick up the candle and then press "Use Inv. Item" to extinguish it. Some players might unintentionally extinguish a candle when they are trying to move it or pick it up. They need to make sure to hold frob to initiate moving the candle. When a candle is unlit, it will highlight but do nothing on frob. That might confuse players. However, the player will likely learn after extinguishing several candles that an unlit candle still highlights. It makes sense that an already-extinguished candle cannot be extinguished on frob. The official "Training Mission" might need to have its instructions updated to correctly guide the player through candle manipulation training. Updating the training mission to include the hold frob to extinguish would probably be helpful. Similar Solutions In Fallout 4, frob uses an item and long-press frob picks it up. Goldwell's mission, "Accountant 2: New In Town", has candles that extinguish on frob without the need of picking them up first. Snatcher's TDM Modpack includes a "Blow / Ignite" item that allows the player to blow out candles Wesp5's Unofficial Patch provides a way to directly extinguish movable candles by frobbing. Demonstration Videos Note: The last two videos don't quite demonstrate the latest patch anymore. But the gist is the same. This feature proposal is best experienced in game, but some demonstration videos are better than nothing. The following videos show either a clear improvement or that the player is not slowed down with the change in controls. For example, "long-press" sounds long, but it really isn't. Video: Body Shouldering and Dragging The purpose of this video is to show that frob to shoulder a body is fast and long-press frob to drag a body is fast enough and accurate. Video: Long-Press Frob to Pick Up Candle The purpose of this video is to show how the long-press frob to pick up a candle isn't really much slower than regular frob. Video: Frob to Extinguish The purpose of this video -- if a bit contrived -- is to show the efficiency and precision of this proposed feature. The task in the video was for the player to as quickly and accurately as possible extinguish candles and put them back in their original positions. On the left, TDM v2.11 is shown. The player has to highlight each candle, press "Frob/Interact" to pick up, press "Use Inv. Item" to extinguish, make sure the candle is back in place, and finally press "Frob/Interact" to drop the candle. The result shows mistakes and candles getting misplaced. On the right, the proposed feature is shown. The player frobs to extinguish the candles. The result shows no mistakes and candles are kept in their original positions. Special Thanks @Wellingtoncrab was instrumental in improving this feature during its early stages. We had many discussions covering varying scenarios, pros, and cons, and how it would affect the gameplay and player experience. Originally, I had a completely different solution that added a special "use modifier" keybinding. He suggested the frob to use and long-press frob to pick up mechanics. I coded it up, gave it a try, and found it to be too good. Without his feedback and patience, this feature wouldn't be as good as it is. Thank you, @Wellingtoncrab! And, of note, @Wellingtoncrab hasn't been able to try it in game yet, because I'm using Linux and can't compile a Windows build for him. So, if this feature isn't good, that's my fault. Code Patch I'll post the code patch in another post below this one so that folks who compile TDM themselves can give this proposal a try in game. And, if you do, I look forward to your feedback! Player Complaints TTLG (2023-01-10) Player 1: TDM Forums (2021-03-13) Player 2: Player 3: TDM Forums (2023-06-17) Player 4: TDM Discord (2021-05-18) Player 5: TDM Discord (2023-02-14) Player 6: Player 7: Player 8:

I agree with @Bikerdude that there should at least be an option to use the original text based interface if you want it.

Looks like we need one of these. Use this to post images or teasers of whatever you happen to be working on at the moment. Sharing feels good, and can inspire other people to keep working on their own maps. Use spoilers if appropriate!

This pinned thread's purpose is to collect links to all the discussion threads for new features to be added in 2.14: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23080-214-new-and-updated-assets/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23072-214-mirrors-and-remotes-resolution-and-optimizations/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23070-214-tdm-version-macros-and-x-ray-breaking-change/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23071-214-in-game-screenshot-as-menu-background/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23073-214-interactible-projected-decals/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23074-214-new-smoke-generation-system/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23088-214-beta-ko-non-elite-ai-after-flash/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23087-214-beta-frob-changes-additions/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/22736-font-localization/page/2/#findComment-503417 Maybe: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23104-script-debugger/ As well as older Feature Collection Threads: [2.13] Feature Discussion Threads [2.12] Feature discussion threads [2.11] Feature discussion threads [2.10] Feature discussion threads

You can find GDDR6 spot prices on a site like DRAMexchange, but they hide other info past a login. I don't know where to find reliable latest pricing for GDDR7. It's plausible that the 3 GB modules cost less than 50% more to make than 2 GB, which has been the pattern with memory for decades. Denser memory results in lower costs. But they are in relatively high demand because the 3 GB modules allow you to hit memory configurations like 96 GB on a 512-bit bus for workstation/AI cards. What's neat is that this alleged RTX 5050 9 GB would have a slight increase in bandwidth over the RTX 5050 8 GB desktop model from switching over to GDDR7. So it's in no way inferior despite having a reduced 96-bit bus, and could be a superior replacement in every way. The extra gigabyte doesn't sound like much, but it could make a difference when there are features that you can turn on like DLSS that use up only a couple hundred megabytes at most. It would be very funny to see the RTX 5050 9 GB beating cards like the RTX 5060 8 GB in some situations because of the increased VRAM. If it's real, I hope the benchmarkers hunt down examples just for a laugh. The reason RTX 5050 mobile got GDDR7 while the desktop card got GDDR6 is because GDDR7 is more power efficient. Every little bit counts for mobile. Entry-level gaming laptops are a bigger market than DIY discrete GPUs anyway, just as all laptops are around 2/3 of PC sales. https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidia-defends-rtx-5050-desktop-gddr6-decision-says-power-efficient-gddr7-is-a-better-choice-for-laptops

In Virtual Rooms I trigger an auto-save at the beginning of each mission. This way players can easily replay any room in any order. My auto-saves come with pre-determined thumbnails, otherwise thumbnails are black because of the initial fade-in. This is broken now but I don't care. Still, I think this is a legit use-case of pre-determined thumbnails. Next time you revisit this implementation consider having the option to "use existing thumbnail" or "create automatic thumbnail". I can also see in Virtual Rooms mission names are broken. Instead of "#1 Welcome" I now get "Welcome".

This mod is actually one that I made, and it calls `saveGame` every five-10 minutes with an auto generated name. https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/22647-quick-and-dirty-autosave-mod/#comment-499784 The save file I uploaded that we are looking at is not an autosave, and that mod has been compatible and functioning correctly for several versions now. It is, indeed, a tiny script-only mod. The checksum changed because I made the adjustment to the loading screen gui recommended in frost salamander's post earlier in this topic ( https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/23119-loading-saves-just-hangs-after-closereopen-the-game/#findComment-506750 ). This mission is, flare box warning notwithstanding, bitwise identical to the latest version in the repo available to the mission downloader. Also, this issue was present before I followed that advice from frost salamander. I suppose I can go undo that change/redownload the .pk4 since it didn't fix the issue anyways. I will revert to a clean install of both the latest TDM beta and this particular mission, just to clear some red herrings out of our debugging work. Interesting! I'll go test this.

Yes, I put a face out/in. Unfortunately the room view is from the center, but the portal is against the wall. If I were to do it over, id use the other method posted.

When you look into a new room x-ray ist necesary. X-ray is only needed when you place the door somewhete in a room and you can walk around it. You can just use a copy of the room you teleport to. So you look into that room, but when you try to enter, you teleport and so never end up in that room. But you have to make it clear somehow you teleported to a new area otherwise players don't even understand something special happened.

i still use windows on my retro box. mostly because i had some trouble finding a distro which had a small enough footprint. many distros still worked on the archaic hardware but it was hemming and hawing at the seams and generally ran like ass. also the project is mostly for fun and old games and is not even on the internet now that i got the differing windows versions updated. i even broke out my old msdn discs so i have a full development system with visual studio 6.0 visual studio 2003 .net i can use if i feel the urge to toy with something like the lithtech engine which in its original form was made for those.

Yes, that's the one I remembered. Have to say, my memory isn't what it used to be - not only was it not an FM, it was only a few months ago that I saw it. Oh well... Thanks again. I'll probably use this technique, maybe add a quick flash to hide the wobble.

Besides the usual (legitimate) excuses about this being an open source project run by volunteers who have other commitments, etc., I think one of the main things missing is a proper triage process and prioritized backlog for bug reports and feature requests. At least that's how a 'real' software project would work. But someone trusted by the dev team would need to volunteer for that role (if it's even agreed it's needed). Loads of issues get reported, but in different places (the bug tracker, or various forum posts, Discord, etc.). The forum is a nightmare to search, so things get lost as soon as they are posted. Some devs don't really read all of the forums unless they are tagged (again, I don't blame them not everyone has time to read every single post or hang around Discord 24/7). I make sure to log bug reports and feature requests in the bug tracker, so at least I can easily find them later. I think there is a better chance of someone seeing it there as well. Then you could maybe raise awareness of it by posting in the forums with a link to it. Unfortunately with respect to features and suggestions, nobody is really in a position to make any promises at any given time whether something can or will be implemented. It seems to need to reach some critical mass of internal discussion first, which sometimes only happens after some pestering occurs. If you look at the stuff that @Daft Mugi and @STiFU have implemented recently, they do a great job of making a case for their feature requests, complete with screen shots, videos, evidence from users from discord and forums, rationale with pros and cons. This helps a lot when trying to convince a group of people that your idea is worth considering. EDIT: I meant to say the non-responses can definitely give the impression of apathy and that's frustrating, but I think that would be a harsh assumption. IMO this forum or Discord are not suited to feature discussion. The rest of the world has moved onto things like Github issues which are way easier to have targeted, scoped discussions about particular bugs or features. And also to find them later.

You mean this effect? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buB29Qvv0c8 What I used is a teleportation script and an x-ray screen (because actually you look into the same room, but altered). There's still a wobble when teleported though. There's teleporting there, but I don't remember you can look into that other place. I think The Painters Wife might have something like this. I think there are 2 possibilities for making the "look into other place" effect work. One is faking the new place via an x-ray screen or another room next to it that you look at. The other way is to use a camera screen. The camera is placed in the new location and the door is also a screen. Also maybe using a cubemap is possible. I think that's how they did it in The Painter's Wife?

1.03 version was released some soft locks fixed some loot system fixes some boss changes and rebalance some lore and background added The premiss is that The Eye (a.k.a Crawling Chaos) is a central figure in Thief lore. At the edge of new Eon the group of Precursors called the Guild of Enlightenment performed a ritual which goal was to bend the space and time and look into the future events. During the ritual they created the first Glyph – called the Origin Glyph or Glyph Of Enlightenment. This action cause great disturbance in cosmological order, a shift in The Balance that lure something to our dimension. Accidently they summoned a Dark Element and prison it in the piece of rock (combination of onyx, quartz, and bloodstone). At first Precursors didn’t understand the true nature of the Element. They call it N'Lahotep (The Eye) and build a huge temple for it in they capitol Karath-din … The Temple of N'Lahotep The Eye had a knowledge and power far beyond anything that Precursors knew. Listening to it advice they made a huge technological progress. However at some point (while Va-Toran was in power) The Eye stop talking to the guild and spend more time with the emperor. The emperor has been possessed by The Eye. It convince him to build a secret mine in the place of the great colosseum … nobody knows what they were looking for in there (possibly the Glyph Of Transmutation) but the drilling triggered earthquakes and volcano processes which lead to the destruction of Karath-din. The Temple of N'Lahotep and the Eye survive almost untouched. First artifact in mod is The Gilded Skull of Va-Toran — The Skull of the Last Emperor Symbol of dominion through avarice, and the first mind consumed After the cataclysm it has become clear that The Eye is element of destruction … and chaos. The prophesy was written at the time saying that “The Dark Element shall remain chained whilst Balance endured.” … the prophesy actually imprisoned The Eye in this realm (Prime Material Plane). The Guild of Enlightenment become the Keepers … and they main task was to keep the balance so the Dark Element could never be free. The Eye was sealed and kept under guard by Keepers. The Ancient Keepers influence the City creation on ruins of Karath-din. The Eye waited to set it self free. Finally it was able to corrupt one of the guarding Keepers that had access to it (Gamall, Daegar, Somersault, and Vandolyn). It introduce her to forbidden knowledge – like Glyph of Transmutation – using her hunger for knowledge. This Keeper was Gamall. She stolen The Eye from Keepers sanctuary …. but for some reason the Eye left her (it was able to move it self), was stolen, lost or abandon. It is also possible thee Eye used Gamall to summon The Trickster at his first approach. The Trickster was actually recorded in history (via the Keepers and Kurshok) to have walked the earth. The Kurshok described him as being kind-hearted, allowing them to construct cities and ships of immense size despite his hatred of those who cut down trees and change the form of raw materials. Suddenly he becoming a bloodthirsty and fanatic … clearly he was possessed by the Eye. Fifty years before the events of Thief: The Dark Project, the Trickster used The Eye (or the Eye used Trickster) in order to start the Cataclysm within Old Quarter, which caused hordes of the undead to pour into the City from a prestigious Hammerite Cathedral. However the Keepers managed to contain the Eye by using ancient Elemental Wards on the cathedral, the wards were controlled by four talismans. Later on the City Watch kept the undead at bay and the City Council raised a wall around the haunted section of the city to stop the spreading of undead. Trickster wanted badly to get the Eye back … it seems that it was far more powerful than he was … to merge the Maw of Chaos with the Prime Material Plane (in which The City exists) in order to cause the world to go into a chaotic state where technology and civilization would be non-existent. In other words to create the state of imbalance (first Dark Age) … that’s what the Eye wanted to set itself free. That’s when Garrets appear. The Eye wait for him in the Hammerite Cathedral like it knew he will come. It is unclear if the Eye real plan was to open the Maw of Chaos or it just wanted to be combine with Garretts eye (the One True Keeper) … which would help it in his further plan … or to kill the Trickster (the Eye could easily warned Trickster that Garrett attempt to sabotage the ritual … but it didn’t ) … probably to recover The Horn of Wild Dominion - dominion through nature Garrett returns the Eye to the Hammerites … accidently (or not) to the father Karras. In return Karras made for Garrett a mechanical eye. Apparently Karras keep the Eye for himself. The Eye lead Karras to the Karath-din – and provide him with ancient technology and artefacts. Give him a new goal. From saintly Hammerite priest he change in to a fanatic sociopath. He lead the schism and build the Mechanists Order to become the Hand of the Builder… and destroy all organic life. In other words … to create imbalance (second Dark Age) … so the Eye may finally free itself. The idea of The Builder's Paradise fail (thanks to Garrett) and the Eye end up in Wieldstrom Museum. Karras die but he left his mask imprinted with all his knowledge on how to control metal. The Mask of Iron Command - dominion through metal and machine Again its not clear if the Eye plan assumed Karras death to collect his abilities … or not. In Deadly Shadows The Eye awaits at Garrett to get it from the Wieldstrom Museum and to use it against the Gamall (the events the Eye started long ago) … to stop the Keepers imbalance (third Dark Age) … in other words to activate the Final Glyph The Final Glyph was suppose to be initiated by the will of the Eye (as the most important – placed directly over the point where the Glyph Of Enlightenment was first opened. The Codex of Silent Pages (merged The Compendium of Reproach) - dominion over knowledge — and through knowledge, over destiny itself. The Final Glyph erased all Glyph magic, and caused the prophecies and books to unwrite themselves (including the prophesy that bound the Eye in this realm). The activating of the Final Glyph was suppose to annihilate the Sentients (including the Eye… maybe that was Ancient Keepers plan all along?). And it work … the peace of rock that kept the Dark Element was destroyed … but the living tissue that was attach to it (the Garretts eye) survive and carry the Dark Element within. (maybe that was the Eye plan all along?) The effects upon the Keepers were devastating. The Keeper Compound was revealed to all and sundry, whom immediately began looting the place. Though the Keepers themselves were not destroyed but the Order was undone without any means to continue. Garrett, in the last cutscene, calls himself a Keeper, therefore confirming the existence of at least one. In other words … the only thing that still keeping the Dark Element … was Garrett … the last and the One true keeper …

Greetings everyone! I recently got into TDM and am already having a lot of fun playing through and ghosting missions. However, coming from Thief, I am mostly relying on the rules and my experience with that game, while there are clearly differences in how TDM works. Right now, there is talk in the ghosting discussion thread on TTLG to amend the ruleset and include clarifications pertaining to TDM. So I wanted to drop by and ask: is there an active TDM ghosting community already and have any rules for this playstyle been developed? I would also like to ask someone to take a look at the draft of this addendum to see whether everything looks correct: https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148487&page=16&p=2473352&viewfull=1#post2473352 Thanks!

Amazing set of missions ! I'm currently stuck on chapter IV, trying to use the ladder of the B storage bay. The button controlling the ladder is sending sparks (as the button for storage C), and I have tried ever lever/switch I could find to disable the short circuit, without success. What am I missing ?

Easy outdoors recipe. If you are lazy and want to make an outdoor area, you could use this strategy: It doesn't look even bad from high up: The setup is really simple: You have 1) the play area (selected and red.) 2) area with skybox texture (blue) 3) skybox (you need to add some kind of ground terrain there) 4) hide the seam between play area and the skybox texture area with a pile of big bushes. These bushes I made with simple bunch of patches with the wood model leave textures. I made it into an ase model and cloned the 32 decal bunch around to generate thich bushes. I also placed some trees floating into the skybox texture area. 5) You must make the bushes closed area so that the player cannot move into them. Otherwise the end-of-world is nasty looking and visible: Enjoy! Previously in the Easy Recipe series: Easy Vault recipe: http://forums.thedar...y-vault-recipe/ Easy caverns recipe: http://forums.thedar...caverns-recipe/