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#1 NeonsStyle

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Posted 20 February 2018 - 05:46 AM

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This is turning into an absolutely stunning game. First off, of the box it had two problems, the lock picking mechanic was

horrid in PC and the savegame system lead to masses of frustration. However mods from nexusmods fixed both those.

 

The world is absolutely stunningly detailed. Not just in terrain mesh, or textures, but the way paths meander and thickets

are used. The way you use the landscape either on foot or on horseback feels like the way you would use it in real life. From

narrow animal trails to thickly wooded areas that make travel difficult, but not impossible. 

 

The missions are a delight, as most of them are rich with story and feel really natural rather than the usual go here, get this. 

There is that, but it's only small part of the mission.

 

Then there's the medieval side of it. OMFG It makes you feel like you really exist in this world. It's so real, and so beautifully

made. It's clear the devs didn't cut costs anywhere in the development of the world. 

 

There's one big negative, and that's the character acting, which is pretty crap made a lot worse by the horrendous gestures made

by the characters. Still; this game is a joy to play, and because it's maker is from the balkans, it makes it a completely fresh experience

with the entire balkan culture there to see. Also, there's not a mage or magic spell anywhere to see. :D

 

Oh and then there is the horseriding. WOW I've ridden horses and it feels like a real horse, no joke. The horses are

just amazing. The combat is good too, skill based, difficult till mid game, bloody hard at the start. Multiple enemies make it

much smarter to either run, find a horse and use a bow or some other way. 

 

Stealth works pretty well too, though the pick pocketing is pretty horrendous.

 

Love it. Must Play


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 05:59 AM

Nice to see an honest review of this game and the fixes for it, as I was thinking of getting it when the price drops a tad.



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Posted 20 February 2018 - 09:15 AM

It looks really neat, and I'm a sucker for immersive games with great stories. I'll probably wait a bit and get it when it comes on sale.



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Posted 20 February 2018 - 09:28 AM

I will buy it as soon as i get a new computer. Or a Xbox. Haven't decided about that yet.



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Posted 20 February 2018 - 10:16 AM

Which mods did you install?

 

I heard it renders outdoor areas well due to CryEngine. How is the game's performance?

 

If there's no magic, how come there's a potion/liquor that causes you to save your progress!? That's space-time magic!



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Posted 20 February 2018 - 12:05 PM

It's well worth it once the unlimted savegames and easier lockpicking is installed. Lockpicking is ok on console,

due to the analogue stick, but on PC it's horrid so you need the mod.  All available from nexusmods as manual

downloads.

 

The mods I'm using: All these go in <gamefolder>/Data

 

unlimited saves

RicherMerchants - otherwise you never get any good gear cause merchants only have less than 100 grosher this gives them all 10k so you can

                               get kitted out late game.

Cheaper Training, as you need it early on and it's quite expensive, so it makes the start quite difficult without it. 

Easierlockpicking

restoreHalberds because devs took them out now u can use them

No Helmet Vision cause why would you want it

Unintrusive Reticule for bow as the game doesn't have one. 

150 Base weight as you have enough base weight for armour and weapons and bit of food. - don't think this works though as my base is 113

 

There's another which goes in the games main folder: user.cfg  create it and add

 

wh_pl_showfirecursor=1 - gives reticule for bow
e_VolumetricFog=1
r_motionblur=0

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 09:14 AM

I was one of the people that supported the kickstarter but funny enough i have still to play the full game has time has not allowed for it. :P 



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Posted 22 February 2018 - 03:22 AM

It looks like a fun game to fart around with casually. I might pick it up on sale.



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Posted 25 February 2018 - 03:35 AM

It's a wicked game. I think if you've got any interest in medieval, then this is a must play, not just for the theme, but for

the level of detail is insane, and the amount of history they've pumped into it, and the original story.


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Posted 25 February 2018 - 05:09 AM

I've been watching videos of it, and it indeed looks very realistic and immersive.

My first frame of reference is Skyrim, and it makes Skyrim look like a fantasy comic book by comparison. Obvious care went  into making every small corner of its large world look as natural and real as possible, with just the right amount of mud, filth, garbage, and weeds lovingly strewn in just the right places.

It's on my wishlist. I might get it the next big sale that comes around.


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Posted 25 February 2018 - 11:04 AM

I already wrote it elsewhere: Especially the display and design of the forests, and, generally, the landscapes, is about the most realistic i've ever seen in a game. The graphics may not be uber top notch, but, the environment surely is.



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Posted 26 February 2018 - 12:30 AM

The story premise seems slightly generic.


 "I really perceive that vanity about which most men merely prate — the vanity of the human or temporal life. I live continually in a reverie of the future. I have no faith in human perfectibility. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active — not more happy — nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. The result will never vary — and to suppose that it will, is to suppose that the foregone man has lived in vain — that the foregone time is but the rudiment of the future — that the myriads who have perished have not been upon equal footing with ourselves — nor are we with our posterity. I cannot agree to lose sight of man the individual, in man the mass."...

 

 

- 2 July 1844 letter to James Russell Lowell from Edgar Allan Poe.

 


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Posted 06 March 2018 - 11:17 AM

The story premise seems slightly generic.


Is based on real history, real life is indeed very generic. XD



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 12:08 PM

So have the devs released an update to fix all the bugs and issues, or is it a case of going to Nexus community still..?



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 12:44 PM

Is based on real history, real life is indeed very generic. XD

 

Hey, well ArmA managed to make generic real life simulators interesting with their stories IMHO. Why doesn't Kingdom Come give me that impression - no idea.

Or, making good story in Mafia City of Lost Heaven versus having a boring open world.

Can't be great at everything.


 "I really perceive that vanity about which most men merely prate — the vanity of the human or temporal life. I live continually in a reverie of the future. I have no faith in human perfectibility. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active — not more happy — nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. The result will never vary — and to suppose that it will, is to suppose that the foregone man has lived in vain — that the foregone time is but the rudiment of the future — that the myriads who have perished have not been upon equal footing with ourselves — nor are we with our posterity. I cannot agree to lose sight of man the individual, in man the mass."...

 

 

- 2 July 1844 letter to James Russell Lowell from Edgar Allan Poe.

 


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Posted 06 March 2018 - 02:30 PM

 

Hey, well ArmA managed to make generic real life simulators interesting with their stories IMHO. Why doesn't Kingdom Come give me that impression - no idea.

Or, making good story in Mafia City of Lost Heaven versus having a boring open world.

Can't be great at everything.

 

Never played Arma so i can't comment on that, but Mafia (that i'm a fan off) hardly comes has "real life" representation, Mafia is a movie like, representation of the gangster life, a very good one at that but imo is no different from a Hollywood movie about the subject, you seem to like more movie like experiences and perhaps KCD is to realistic for your tastes, but is hard to make something feel interesting when that stuff is based on real history, specially when you don't want to deviate from what really happened, perhaps this is not a game for you and that is ok.

But to me KCD history is no different from, for example, Game of Thrones, apart from removing all the fantasy, the rest is there, the politic games are there, the battles are there, the bad kings are there, the massacres are there, religion messing in politics are there, etc.

And truth be told medieval life was boring for the most part, if you where not a noble you would work on the field from dusk till down till you died of some simple disease and life was short, majority of people died even before the age of 10 and the max life expectancy for everyone was 30 years old, specially when at 16 years old you were already considered adult (some cultures even at the age of 14) and able to command armies and fight in battles, no wonder that age was filled with violence, death and superstition, a bunch of ignorant kids running around starting wars, dark ages indeed.  


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Posted 06 March 2018 - 03:35 PM

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 the max life expectancy for everyone was 30 years old, specially when at 16 years old you were already considered adult (some cultures even at the age of 14) and able to command armies and fight in battles, no wonder that age was filled with violence, death and superstition, a bunch of ignorant kids running around starting wars, dark ages indeed.  

Actually, 30 was the average life expectancy (not maximum life span), mainly attributed of the high mortality rate of infants you mentioned. That does not mean that people did not get old (excluding times of pandemics like the plague, which drastically raised mortality rates in general). If you made it out of puberty, your life expectancy was not that much worse than nowadays. Maybe not 80 to 90, but reaching an age of 70 was not that uncommon. However, as the life expectancy sums up deaths at all ages, the death of infants drastically reduce the average life expectancy. Unfortunately (and kind of undermining myself), I cannot give you more credible sources than Wikipedia (my own knowledge comes from a history teacher in my family).


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Posted 06 March 2018 - 04:50 PM

Yes i meant average not max was a brain fart. :P

 

And i know some people got to very old age, but they were the lucky ones. :D 



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Posted 07 March 2018 - 02:03 AM

Actually, 30 was the average life expectancy (not maximum life span), mainly attributed of the high mortality rate of infants you mentioned. That does not mean that people did not get old (excluding times of pandemics like the plague, which drastically raised mortality rates in general). If you made it out of puberty, your life expectancy was not that much worse than nowadays. Maybe not 80 to 90, but reaching an age of 70 was not that uncommon. However, as the life expectancy sums up deaths at all ages, the death of infants drastically reduce the average life expectancy. Unfortunately (and kind of undermining myself), I cannot give you more credible sources than Wikipedia (my own knowledge comes from a history teacher in my family).

That's always the problem with statistical values. Almost noone knows how they are calculated, but everyone leaps to the weirdest conclusions based on them. :(


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Posted 07 March 2018 - 02:17 AM

Never trust a statistic you did not forge yourself :D


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Posted 07 March 2018 - 05:03 AM

Lol, my life motto :D


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Posted 07 March 2018 - 02:57 PM

 

Never played Arma so i can't comment on that, but Mafia (that i'm a fan off) hardly comes has "real life" representation, Mafia is a movie like, representation of the gangster life, a very good one at that but imo is no different from a Hollywood movie about the subject, you seem to like more movie like experiences and perhaps KCD is to realistic for your tastes, but is hard to make something feel interesting when that stuff is based on real history, specially when you don't want to deviate from what really happened, perhaps this is not a game for you and that is ok.

But to me KCD history is no different from, for example, Game of Thrones, apart from removing all the fantasy, the rest is there, the politic games are there, the battles are there, the bad kings are there, the massacres are there, religion messing in politics are there, etc.

And truth be told medieval life was boring for the most part, if you where not a noble you would work on the field from dusk till down till you died of some simple disease and life was short, majority of people died even before the age of 10 and the max life expectancy for everyone was 30 years old, specially when at 16 years old you were already considered adult (some cultures even at the age of 14) and able to command armies and fight in battles, no wonder that age was filled with violence, death and superstition, a bunch of ignorant kids running around starting wars, dark ages indeed.  

 

Agreed with everything except Game of Thrones. Because that thing doesn't have taste and apparently inserts sex scenes just for bragging.

 

In that case better to invoke "Hard to be a God" or "With Fire and Sword". 

Ofc I can't pretend to know KCD because I didn't play it. Correct me if I'm wrong regarding how good the story would be in there.


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 "I really perceive that vanity about which most men merely prate — the vanity of the human or temporal life. I live continually in a reverie of the future. I have no faith in human perfectibility. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active — not more happy — nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. The result will never vary — and to suppose that it will, is to suppose that the foregone man has lived in vain — that the foregone time is but the rudiment of the future — that the myriads who have perished have not been upon equal footing with ourselves — nor are we with our posterity. I cannot agree to lose sight of man the individual, in man the mass."...

 

 

- 2 July 1844 letter to James Russell Lowell from Edgar Allan Poe.

 


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Posted 08 March 2018 - 11:28 AM

That's always the problem with statistical values. Almost noone knows how they are calculated, but everyone leaps to the weirdest conclusions based on them. :(

 

In general, when you hear a non-statistician use a phrase like "on average", you know that what follows is going to be bullshit.

 

It's like the present-day yapping about "average salary" of particular groups of people. A thoroughly meaningless statistic that doesn't prove any of the things people desperately want to prove.



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Posted 08 March 2018 - 03:31 PM

As long as most people believe it, I guess those groups are happy.


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