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With TDM 2.12, after the credits finished, the "Mission Complete" screen did not display. I found that the screen was black and I could hear my footsteps when I tried to move around. I think the reason for the mission not completing successfully was that the "Do not kill or harm allies" objective was never marked as "1 = STATE_COMPLETE" instead it was left as "0 = STATE_INCOMPLETE". Note, I didn't use noclip throughout the mission. Same as: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/18054-fan-mission-the-accountant-2-new-in-town-by-goldwell-20160509/&do=findComment&comment=458491

How about using TDM automation framework (and maybe pcem/qemu)? More info see: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/19828-automation-features-and-discussion/

Theres still brainstorming how it would work hypothetically. Where would it be stored? I see 2 viable options: On the map file somewhere. Having a list on a server somewhere of all the maps and their tags. I think option 2 might be the best in the long run because it allows expansion onto the tags without having to go through each map file and update them if something comes up. How it will look in the client. Would the tags be in a drop down box in each section where you can filter out maps you want? (I think gamebanana had this way back) Would it be like steam tags where you can search certain or multiple tags? Where should the tags be? I personally think they should be out of sight unless you specifically click to see them so it's easy to go into the mission not knowing whats ahead if you like that.

To cater to both audiences. I mentioned LibreGameWiki as one example. nbohr1more mentioned other uses. Explicitly allowing reuse and spread will help TDM reach a wider audience and would hopefully attract more volunteers. More volunteers which can help improve both TDM versions. There are several benefits for a project of being in the Debian repo. One is that TDM Debian-users can report defects on any package directly to Debian (no need to register on separate forums). Debian may then fix the issue themselves (in their "TDM-libre" package) and will offer the patch upstream to TDM, who can then choose to accept or reject the patch. I envision "TDM-libre" to have the same capability of downloading any mission as regular TDM. The only difference is that "TDM-libre" would come packaged with the regular engine (which is GPL+BSD) and an included mission that has libre media/gamedata. When I play TDM by myself, I want the unlimited-play and can accept commercial restrictions. But if I were to promote it somewhere, or charge for a stream when playing online, or make a video, I would want a version without commercial restrictions (and can temporarily accept limited-play) to make sure I don't violate anyone's copyright. Perhaps. That's what I'm trying to find out.

I suggest you use the term "I", to make clear that it is something YOU want, and that you speak for yourself. But, as wesp5 mentioned, I don't really know what this is about, at all. And, I'm also wondering about all the newly registered people lately, who just arrived at this forum, and already want to revolutionize this mod. This is a thing I noticed 2 or 3 years ago, and which hasn't been present in the 15 years I play this mod and frequent these forums now. Really seems like a common thing these days, to not knock on the door, but kick it in, and stomp right in.

TDM has tons of textures from "free" texture resources that do not allow redistribution and cannot be incorporated into a commercial project. Someone would need to create a huge replacement pack of textures that do not break the look of existing missions and do not infringe on the copyrighted textures. Also, many artists who contributed to this project do not want 3rd party entities to use their work in commercial projects. They intended the models, textures, sounds, animations to be exclusively used for Darkmod content. You would either have to replace ALL assets or contact every contributor and ask them to re-license their assets. Many contributors are no longer active with the project and haven't visited the forums in years so it would be no easy feat. I cannot speak to Debian policy but I think that they treat installers that add non-free content the same as non-free content itself. One could argue that Steam is such an installer but I guess Debian would counter that there are a few fully Libre games on Steam. I think Debian, Ubuntu, or Linux Mint need to consider a repo that allows for games (etc) that include non-libre content but intentionally offer this content for free to the community with no stipulations other than "don't try to sell it as a product".

The gamepad implementation allows for a great degree of flexibility to personalize settings, aside from a few minor issues that I mentioned here: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/22337-gamepad-bindings/ I would say that playing TDM with a gamepad works very well, especially considering that it was implemented as experimental and hasn't been changed since then. If I could, I'd go back to 2021-you and congratulate you on buying that gamepad. I notice that your DarkmodPadbinds.cfg looks very different from mine...

It seems like more and more "thief" and "thief players" is becoming a short hand to dismiss community members earnest desire to improve the game - which happens to be a barely legally distinct "thief style" game which was made by thief fans for thief fans and is "designed to simulate the stealth gameplay of Thief". Who is the predominant player base of the game supposed to be beyond fans of the thief games? Is there some better avenue to find feedback for the game beyond this forum? FOSS and linux forums? I have seen maybe half a dozen posts from that segment. I am a thief fan, I play thief fms, my association with those games is what drives me to play and make things for this game. Are we supposed to pretend the original games are not a huge reason why most of us are here at all? TL;DR version:

Thanks! 1) Doing LONG_PRESS PAD_A (what I, for lack of knowledge, call "jump-mantle" or "_jumpmantle") differs from doing PRESS PAD_A ("_jump"). "_jumpmantle" differs from "_mantle", so they must be mapped to different button-calls. "_jumpmantle" differs from "_jump", so they must also be mapped to different button-calls. This appears to be the case, but it is not evident (or changeable) in DarkmodPadbinds.cfg. "_jumpmantle" seems to be hard coded to always connect to the same button as "_jump" but with a long press. It is as if bindPadButton PRESS PAD_A "_jump" is not actually just binding PRESS PAD_A to "_jump", but rather interpreted as "link PAD_A (regardless of button press time) to behave exactly like keyboard SPACE for short and long presses". I would have expected the default DarkmodPadbinds.cfg to explicitly read: bindPadButton PRESS PAD_A "_jump" bindPadButton LONG_PRESS PAD_A "_jumpmantle" bindPadButton PRESS PAD_B "_crouch" bindPadButton LONG_PRESS PAD_B "_mantle" ... but neither LONG_PRESS PAD_A or "_jumpmantle" is listed in the file. If there are actions "_jump" and "_mantle", I suppose there must also be an action "_jumpmantle" since it is possible for the player to do all those movements: * "_mantle" does the movements "crouch on the high surface, then stand up" * "_jumpmantle" idoes the movements "jump slightly forward, then land standing on the high surface" * "_jump" idoes the movements "jump up, then land exactly where you started" If the actions "_jump" and "_moveup" are not synonymous, then perhaps the action "_moveup" is what i call "_jumpmantle"? 2) Thanks for the link! It was useful in more than one way. I'll link to that page from https://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=Bindings_and_User_Settings#Gamepad_Default_Bindings if I can get an account on the wiki, which proved more difficult than i thought (https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/22327-how-can-i-create-an-account-on-the-tdm-wiki/). However, it does not answer my question how to find out the name ("<button>") used for a button on my gamepad. Basically, I would need to press the button on my gamepad and some program could tell me "That button is called 'PAD_A'". In my case, I have a gamepad "Logitech F310" (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Logitech_F310_Gamepad.jpg) which has a "Logitech button" (see image) that I want to use. I was hoping to find out the "button name" for that button and then edit DarkmodPadbinds.cfg to map it to a function. 3) ... but if that button has an "unusual name" that TDM does not recognize, then it may perhaps not work. E.g. if that button is called "PAD_LOGITECH" and TDM cannot recognize that name, then I cannot map anything to it via DarkmodPadbinds.cfg. Using QJoyPad I can map any keyboard key to it instead, as a workaround, but I cannot map MODIFIER to it (since MODIFIER cannot be set to a keyboard key). If current implementation is still called "experimental", then I must say it works very well; @cabalistic: kudos for that! I may not have continued playing TDM had it not worked with a gamepad.

Changelog of 2.10 development: dev16202-9175 * Major changes in security camera (5528, 4731, Wiki). * Entity limit removed raised to 64K (5439, announcement). * Added secrets tracking system for mappers to use (5549, Wiki). * Integrated Sotha's "automaton" AI from Ulysses into core assets. * Menu: improved the main page and the "new game" page to make it easier for new players. * Menu: ask for confirmation on game restart, fixed menu music setting. * Menu: show checkboxes near objectives after mission is failed (5049). * Fixed rare crash in script-generated frobs (5542). * Added idPlayer::GetObjectiveVisible script event (5543). * Fixed rare collision bug causing lags (5439, r9157). * Debug visualization no longer blocks SMP performance improvements (5468). * Fixed script-generated game saves by disabling screenshot due to SMP. * Added missing frob highlight to plaster materials (4487). * Removed missing material reference in skin "wench/purple_bodice". * Minor fixes to mirroring: puddle, bc_teatray. Known problems: Volta 1, Volta 2, and Snowed Inn don't start due to broken menu. dev16215-9224 * More work on security camera (5528, Wiki) --- not finished yet. * Massive changes in dmap to make it faster (5562, 5488, announcement). * Fixed vertices merging in dmap which could cause sparklies (5486). * OpenAL (sound) upgraded to 1.21.1, fixing bsinc resampler (5564). * Added first implementation of tooltips in settings menu (2626). dev16225-9284 * Map loading optimizations: texture storage, parallel image loading, models loading (5591). * Fixed map not starting after prior error + removed 5 seconds delay at the end of loading (5118). * Removed mandatory snapping from dmap, fixing thin objects like ropes (5486). * Improved precision of windings in dmap compilation (5580). * SIMD code cleanup: enabled AVX on Linux, disabled denormals (4550). * Dropped visportals are now further classified as "leaky" and generic ones (5353, wiki). * Fixed creation of script threads with object method call (4713). * Added cvar s_alReverbGain to tone down EFX reverb (5587). * r_materialOverride fixed with Frontend Acceleration. * Fixed when player is in the void with "r_useLightAreaCulling 0". * Minor fixes in menu tooltips. * Fixed GL debug groups on AMD (5280). * Changes in FPS counter, which make displayed value more stable when com_showFpsAvg is large. dev16238-9330 * Frob highlight replaced with frob outline (5427) --- not finished yet. * Linux platform-specific code now uses GLFW for window, GL-init and input handling (5510, 5293, testing). * Windows build can change desktop resolution once again; also made "borderless" mode default (5510). * New dmap diagnostics for location separators and location entities (5354). * Dmap leak pointfiles are much shorter now (5592). * FFmpeg video formats further restricted to mp4+h264+aac and roq (4845, announcement). * Fixed occasional crash at the end of RunScript AI task, happening e.g. in WS3 mission (5538). * Debug cvars r_lockSurfaces and r_maxTri improved. * Upgraded GLFW to 3.3.4. * Added generic hash map in the code; fixed race condition in shader loading during map start (5597). * Refactoring of Clear methods in code (5593). * Added slider in menu for reverb cvar s_alReverbGain (5587). * Menu tooltip improvements. * Experimental: localization system now accepts string placeholders (5261). dev16256-9358 * Implemented new object manipulation and body dragging physics (5599 announcement). * Extracted static geometry into its own VBO in VertexCache, fixing performance regression since 2.07 (5598). * Added weapons to inventory grid (5601). * Fixed in-game mission downloader warning when downloading localization pack (5551). * Fixed in-game mission downloader warning when FM is not available on the chosen mirror (5551). * Disabled bindless textures by default because it does not work on modern AMD GPUs. * Reduced lower limit on texture units to 32, probably fixing the "Too few!" startup error on bad GL drivers. * Allow choosing adaptive VSync in setting menu. * Fullscreen options in menu: borderless goes first + block resolution when borderless is selected. * Interaction table performance optimization when loading from savefile. * Changed number of contacts in physics to 32 everywhere + minor filling optimization (3871). * Save missions.tdminfo immediately after FM download finishes. * Better logging of FM downloads under LC_MAINMENU & LT_INFO (5551). * Saint Lucia FM: adjusted mission loading GUI to display tip for about 20% of loading time (5118). dev16269-9407 * Reimplemented frob-highlighting of surfaces (5427). * Removed TDM version display in the main menu. * Replaced r_glProfiling and r_logSmpTimings with Tracy profiler library. * Better handling of position-independent executable setting on Linux. * Improved third-party libs usage: fixed OpenAL build on GCC10, fixed rebuilding libs with GCC different from 5. dev16325-9462 * PNG image format is now supported in materials, PCX support removed (5665). * Major refactoring of image formats in: SEED, screenshots of all kind. DevIL library removed (5665). * Rough prototype of .srt subtitles in briefing video (2454). * Fixed stack overflow crash if CPU-resident image is defaulted e.g. when not found (5665). * Mission statistics now show number of game loads. * Silenced "missing vertex or index cache" console warning. * Calling "set" in GUI script with not enough arguments now results in Error instead of crash (5323). * Debug cvar r_skipFog expanded to filter out boundaries. * r_immediateRenderingEmulate = 1 by default, probably fixing debug visualization for people using deprecated GL profile. * Fixed GPL header in source code files. dev16330-9508 * Extended support of subtitles to both briefing video and in-game sounds (2454: BEWARE interface will change!) * Support updating the currently installed mission in in-game downloader (5661). * Supported hide_distance for particle emitters and geometry of light entities (5668). * JPG and PNG images are no longer compressed by pk4/zip (they are already compressed by themselves). * Fixed entity arguments broken in event system after entity limit removal (5439). The bug crashed Snowed Inn on startup. * Refactored entity think code, optimized away thinking of frobable entities. * Added con_nowrap cvar: it caps lengthy lines in game console instead of wrapping them to the next line. * Added a ton of trace scopes in game, dmap, and loading (enabled by com_enableTracing 1 and Tracy connection). * Minor fixes: parallelSky, r_showViewEntities, image_preload 0, r_singleModelName. Known problems: GUI is not drawn in-game until paper is frob-highlighted. dev16335-9550 * Added hot-reload support: LOD settings, _color and shaderParms, noshadows, angle, targets, frobmovers + rotate/translate, bound entities (5683). * Fixed error on respawning an AI (5683). * Added con_fontSize cvar, which allows making console font smaller, also enabled mipmapping. * Refactored shaders loading, which fixes SMP-specific crash on AMD drivers (5012). * Non-bound lights are turned off when they are hidden e.g. using LOD (post). * Fixed noshadows_lod_N not working sometimes (5691). * Fixed GUI rendering on parchments --- known problem from previous build. * Fixed color banding in lockpick success/failure highlights. * Changing tdm_lod_bias has immediate effect without restart. * Small fix towards loading RGTC normal maps from DDS. * Removed old broken code for entities binding/unbinding (5414). * Some showPrimitives fixes. * Automation: fixed bug with astronomical timer for game controls (not used anywhere yet). dev16342-9552 * Merged branch with major changes in main menu GUI (5323, thread). Known problems: All the missions from the list do not work as expected in main menu: custom background is missing, empty briefing page is shown, in rare cases even briefing/debriefing video can disappear. This will be properly fixed only when 2.10 is released. Right now you can download fixed pk4 file by direct link from the same page --- fixed version should work as expected. dev16350-9577 * Support "set X on head" spawnarg for attached heads (post). * Fixed lockpicking getting stuck if you go away (5715). * Hopefully fixed random flickering when frob-highlighting objects with stencil shadows enabled. * Fast and deterministic normal maps compression on CPU (5716). * Optimized OGG files loading. * Optimized TGA files loading. * Continued work on X-ray support. * Continued work on subtitles support (2454). * Added new models and prefabs by @Wellingtoncrab. * Added material textures/darkmod/window/wooden_frame01/wooden_frame01_dark. * Probably fixed reloadModels for .lwo files. dev16358-9588 * Fixed crashes in image loading on AMD driver (5591). * Fixed occasional crashes in TGA loading optimization (5716). * Generate mipmaps for non-DDS textures in software, see cvar image_mipmapMode. * Frob outline disabled by default, see r_frobOutline (thread). * Tweaked render order ("sort last") for particle materials. * Continued work on subtitles (2454). * Removed [cleanup] button in mod selection menu (thread). dev16368-9627 (*) * Major changes in frob highlight/outline: translucency, alpha test, shine-through (5427). * Restored geometric frob outline under r_frobOutline 2 (5427, post). * Fixed bug breaking GL core profile, which usually caused black menu on AMD (post). * (WIP) Volumetric light effect. * Renderer's "safe mode" changed to windowed 800 x 600 (post). * Cap volume parameter in sound shader by 1.5 (4627). * Lockpicking sound no longer affected by EFX reverb. * Some changes in time handling, fixed timescale on uncapped FPS (5324, 4698). * Reduced pause on game start from 1.0 to 0.1 seconds (5314). * Minor dmap (aas) acceleration (5562). * Minor optimizations in models / sounds loading. * Don't drop held item after bumping dead/unconscious AIs (3516). * Tweaked render order ("sort last") for particle materials, reverting some. * Some changes in randomization (5763). * Minor fix in game console. * Adjusted stlucia.pk4 to avoid tdm_installer analysis... unsuccessfully. * Changed integration of doctest unit tests. Known problems: some maps broken with "clip model outside world bounds" warning spam. dev16390-9648 * Fixed "clip model outside world bounds" warning spam on some maps (post). * Fixed sparklies on hard geometric frob outline with bloom (5427). * DDS textures can be used in image programs, although they should not (5781). * Fixed spotlights/projected lights illuminating objects outside their frustum (5529). * Continued work on volumetric light shader: LOD, stencil, etc. (5816). * Allow xray shader in GUI overlays, fixed rare crash. * Do not spam warnings when index cache is not ready yet, e.g. during noclip on large map. * Minor fix of game console behavior. * (WIP) Changed frustum of spotlights when near != 0 (5815). * Fixed AlertDuration of security camera (5528). * Fixed normalmaps: flagstones_mossy_01 (5777), flagstones_gravel (5760), ash_001 and ash01_crumb_edge (5784), blocks_large_mildew (5786), ornament_shield_white_eagleandpallets (5803). * Added material for rough_grey_blocks (5789). * Added missing "torn" skins for all paintings. * Commented out additional camera screen materials (5676). beta210-01 (rev 16399-9702) * Projected lights: restored TDM 2.07 behavior, fix lighting outside frustum (5815). * Fixed light frustum precision (4888). * Major changes in volumetric lights (5816). * Continued work on security camera (5528). * X-ray improvements. * Fixed severe slowdown with soft stencil shadows and antialiasing. * Allow lifting ragdolls above ground, unless they have "ground_when_dragged" (5599). * Fixed mirrors getting black under "image_useTexStorage 1" (topic). * Added script events: vecRotate, getCalibratedLightgemValue, setSolid, getEntityFlag. * Take entity orientation account in flinderization offsets. * Removed "emitter_size" spawnarg. * Fixed r_showLights. * Refactor shaders: extracted common code to includes. beta210-02 (rev 16411-9731) * Fixed dbghelp.dll issue which blocked running TDM on fresh Windows 7 (issue). * Fixed rare depth fighting when SSAO is on. * Fixed OpenGL error with shadow maps when no light fallbacks to stencil implementation. * Fixed envshot command (5796). * Restored materials and prefabs for multiple camera GUIs. * X-ray: supported "suppressInSubview" spawnarg on lights (also affects other subviews like mirrors) * Added X-ray related assets: materials, visible/invisible skins. * Added script events: getLocationPoint, pointIsInBounds, getTraceSurfType. * Preserve opacity towards AIs and restore frobability in script event setSolid. * Func_emitters can now be bound without the particle flickering rapidly. * Fixed "condump unwrap". * Added display case models without glass to allow them to have breakable glass. * Added forcescreenaspect + hcenter GUI keywords for aspect-ratio-independent images. * Removed a few subtitles lines which were for testing only. * Internal typeinfo changes. beta210-03 (rev 16421-9771) * Reverted to 2.09 frob-highlight: no outline, use material frob stages. * Added three new frob outline presets by @kingsal and @nbohr1more. * Changed the way volumetric lights are set up (see wiki page). * Volumetric lights respect noshadows and don't affect lightgem. * Added script events: getHealth, setHealth, setSolid,projectDecal; fixed getLocationPoint. * Added script event getEnemy and canSee to security camera. * Add Epifire's flinder models to the security cameras. * Fixed subtitles going sticky on save/load. * Slightly reduced subtitles font size, added semi-transparent black background. * Added subtitles to Saint Lucia mission. * Fixed dmap issue in generating unoptimized collision maps for patch-only entities (5859). * Elemental no longer has 8 legs, wasting time in inverse kinematics. * Some optimizations in frontend: fix disabled optimization, avoid vertex data copy. * Added r_useInteractionTriCulling -1 mode to move some CPU load to GPU. * Fixed lamp cubemap light textures. * Fixed language switches broken by new main menu GUI. * Fixed occasional spam about slow jobs (threshold is now 100 ms instead of 10 ms). * Corrected OpenGL usage of clipping planes in shadow map generation. * Console printing is now threadsafe, which could crash Frontend Acceleration. * Improvements in system console on Windows. * Allow all SIMD code supported by compiler on Elbrus CPU. beta210-04 (rev 16441-9798) * Security camera now supports AI detection, also fixed volumetric lights. * Fixed save/load for volumetric lights, supported scrolling light materials. * Fixed scrolling light textures (5860). * Fixed uncompressed normal maps and backface lighting (5862). * stain01bwet material now works as it always did, no depth fighting (5325). * Skip X-ray rendering when it is already within subview. * Removed parchment from message about secrets (5549). * Fixed and upscaled droppuddle texture (5870). * Extended tooltips in video settings menu. * Fixed randomization of gui::random_value on game load. * A bit more subtitles in Saint Lucia mission. * Fixed 1280 x 960 resolution in 4:3. * Fixed rare graphic bug in some debug tools. * Small optimization in frontend: reuse index array for interaction. beta210-05 (rev 16457-9815) * Fixed bright lines on the boundary of light volume on AMD drivers (5876). * Fixed secret counter increased multiple times on single-count entities (5549). * Security camera: "sweepWaitSoundOffset" spawnarg controls snd_end timing. * Security camera: snd_sparks and snd_death can be used simultaneously. * Security camera: split "seeAI" spawnarg into "seeAI", "seeAnimals", "seeBodies". * Fixed the xray model stuck in place when shouldered. * Improved player GUI for taking damage. * Added spawnarg "animal_patrol_wait" to allow animals that move continuously (post). * Portal sky scissor optimization. * A bit of cleaning in source code conan dependencies (5839). * Fixed hover highlight on Restart Game button in settings menu. * Volumetric lights refactoring. beta210-06 (rev 16472-9845) * Fixed saving/loading of suppressInSubview for X-ray. * Fixed language setting being ignored on restart (post). * Reimplemented rotation in new grabber code, rotating heavy objects is easy now (post). * Fixed weird spots sticking on screen sometimes when bloom is on (post). * Fixed seeAI setting for security camera towards AIs on hostile teams; updated editor descriptions. * Fixed one more bug causing tdm_installer to analyze installation. * image_downsize no longer affects loading screens and other GUIs. * Fixed lighting with "image_useNormalCompression 0". * Added editor description for nodrop spawnarg. * Reorganized mapper tool prefabs, fixed Epifire's wall-mounted security camera prefab. * Removed non-working 16-bit color option from the menu settings. * Improved EFX in New Job mission (5594). * Fixed issue in Saint Lucia mission: all voiceovers being played on mission restart (4828). * Some more corrections to subtitles in Saint Lucia mission. beta210-07 (rev 16474-9850) * Set r_useMultiDrawIndirect to 0, fixing NaN flickering on AMD drivers. * Fixed X-ray combined with Render Scale. beta210-08 (rev16475-9853) * Fixed crash on index cache resize with now default "r_useMultiDrawIndirect 0". Changelog of earlier versions can be found here.

It is possible that this is a setting that needs to be activated to work: https://mantisbt.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23221

Changelog of 2.10 development: dev16202-9175 * Major changes in security camera (5528, 4731, Wiki). * Entity limit removed raised to 64K (5439, announcement). * Added secrets tracking system for mappers to use (5549, Wiki). * Integrated Sotha's "automaton" AI from Ulysses into core assets. * Menu: improved the main page and the "new game" page to make it easier for new players. * Menu: ask for confirmation on game restart, fixed menu music setting. * Menu: show checkboxes near objectives after mission is failed (5049). * Fixed rare crash in script-generated frobs (5542). * Added idPlayer::GetObjectiveVisible script event (5543). * Fixed rare collision bug causing lags (5439, r9157). * Debug visualization no longer blocks SMP performance improvements (5468). * Fixed script-generated game saves by disabling screenshot due to SMP. * Added missing frob highlight to plaster materials (4487). * Removed missing material reference in skin "wench/purple_bodice". * Minor fixes to mirroring: puddle, bc_teatray. Known problems: Volta 1, Volta 2, and Snowed Inn don't start due to broken menu. dev16215-9224 * More work on security camera (5528, Wiki) --- not finished yet. * Massive changes in dmap to make it faster (5562, 5488, announcement). * Fixed vertices merging in dmap which could cause sparklies (5486). * OpenAL (sound) upgraded to 1.21.1, fixing bsinc resampler (5564). * Added first implementation of tooltips in settings menu (2626). dev16225-9284 * Map loading optimizations: texture storage, parallel image loading, models loading (5591). * Fixed map not starting after prior error + removed 5 seconds delay at the end of loading (5118). * Removed mandatory snapping from dmap, fixing thin objects like ropes (5486). * Improved precision of windings in dmap compilation (5580). * SIMD code cleanup: enabled AVX on Linux, disabled denormals (4550). * Dropped visportals are now further classified as "leaky" and generic ones (5353, wiki). * Fixed creation of script threads with object method call (4713). * Added cvar s_alReverbGain to tone down EFX reverb (5587). * r_materialOverride fixed with Frontend Acceleration. * Fixed when player is in the void with "r_useLightAreaCulling 0". * Minor fixes in menu tooltips. * Fixed GL debug groups on AMD (5280). * Changes in FPS counter, which make displayed value more stable when com_showFpsAvg is large. dev16238-9330 * Frob highlight replaced with frob outline (5427) --- not finished yet. * Linux platform-specific code now uses GLFW for window, GL-init and input handling (5510, 5293, testing). * Windows build can change desktop resolution once again; also made "borderless" mode default (5510). * New dmap diagnostics for location separators and location entities (5354). * Dmap leak pointfiles are much shorter now (5592). * FFmpeg video formats further restricted to mp4+h264+aac and roq (4845, announcement). * Fixed occasional crash at the end of RunScript AI task, happening e.g. in WS3 mission (5538). * Debug cvars r_lockSurfaces and r_maxTri improved. * Upgraded GLFW to 3.3.4. * Added generic hash map in the code; fixed race condition in shader loading during map start (5597). * Refactoring of Clear methods in code (5593). * Added slider in menu for reverb cvar s_alReverbGain (5587). * Menu tooltip improvements. * Experimental: localization system now accepts string placeholders (5261). dev16256-9358 * Implemented new object manipulation and body dragging physics (5599 announcement). * Extracted static geometry into its own VBO in VertexCache, fixing performance regression since 2.07 (5598). * Added weapons to inventory grid (5601). * Fixed in-game mission downloader warning when downloading localization pack (5551). * Fixed in-game mission downloader warning when FM is not available on the chosen mirror (5551). * Disabled bindless textures by default because it does not work on modern AMD GPUs. * Reduced lower limit on texture units to 32, probably fixing the "Too few!" startup error on bad GL drivers. * Allow choosing adaptive VSync in setting menu. * Fullscreen options in menu: borderless goes first + block resolution when borderless is selected. * Interaction table performance optimization when loading from savefile. * Changed number of contacts in physics to 32 everywhere + minor filling optimization (3871). * Save missions.tdminfo immediately after FM download finishes. * Better logging of FM downloads under LC_MAINMENU & LT_INFO (5551). * Saint Lucia FM: adjusted mission loading GUI to display tip for about 20% of loading time (5118). dev16269-9407 * Reimplemented frob-highlighting of surfaces (5427). * Removed TDM version display in the main menu. * Replaced r_glProfiling and r_logSmpTimings with Tracy profiler library. * Better handling of position-independent executable setting on Linux. * Improved third-party libs usage: fixed OpenAL build on GCC10, fixed rebuilding libs with GCC different from 5. dev16325-9462 * PNG image format is now supported in materials, PCX support removed (5665). * Major refactoring of image formats in: SEED, screenshots of all kind. DevIL library removed (5665). * Rough prototype of .srt subtitles in briefing video (2454). * Fixed stack overflow crash if CPU-resident image is defaulted e.g. when not found (5665). * Mission statistics now show number of game loads. * Silenced "missing vertex or index cache" console warning. * Calling "set" in GUI script with not enough arguments now results in Error instead of crash (5323). * Debug cvar r_skipFog expanded to filter out boundaries. * r_immediateRenderingEmulate = 1 by default, probably fixing debug visualization for people using deprecated GL profile. * Fixed GPL header in source code files. dev16330-9508 * Extended support of subtitles to both briefing video and in-game sounds (2454: BEWARE interface will change!) * Support updating the currently installed mission in in-game downloader (5661). * Supported hide_distance for particle emitters and geometry of light entities (5668). * JPG and PNG images are no longer compressed by pk4/zip (they are already compressed by themselves). * Fixed entity arguments broken in event system after entity limit removal (5439). The bug crashed Snowed Inn on startup. * Refactored entity think code, optimized away thinking of frobable entities. * Added con_nowrap cvar: it caps lengthy lines in game console instead of wrapping them to the next line. * Added a ton of trace scopes in game, dmap, and loading (enabled by com_enableTracing 1 and Tracy connection). * Minor fixes: parallelSky, r_showViewEntities, image_preload 0, r_singleModelName. Known problems: GUI is not drawn in-game until paper is frob-highlighted. dev16335-9550 * Added hot-reload support: LOD settings, _color and shaderParms, noshadows, angle, targets, frobmovers + rotate/translate, bound entities (5683). * Fixed error on respawning an AI (5683). * Added con_fontSize cvar, which allows making console font smaller, also enabled mipmapping. * Refactored shaders loading, which fixes SMP-specific crash on AMD drivers (5012). * Non-bound lights are turned off when they are hidden e.g. using LOD (post). * Fixed noshadows_lod_N not working sometimes (5691). * Fixed GUI rendering on parchments --- known problem from previous build. * Fixed color banding in lockpick success/failure highlights. * Changing tdm_lod_bias has immediate effect without restart. * Small fix towards loading RGTC normal maps from DDS. * Removed old broken code for entities binding/unbinding (5414). * Some showPrimitives fixes. * Automation: fixed bug with astronomical timer for game controls (not used anywhere yet). dev16342-9552 * Merged branch with major changes in main menu GUI (5323, thread). Known problems: All the missions from the list do not work as expected in main menu: custom background is missing, empty briefing page is shown, in rare cases even briefing/debriefing video can disappear. This will be properly fixed only when 2.10 is released. Right now you can download fixed pk4 file by direct link from the same page --- fixed version should work as expected. dev16350-9577 * Support "set X on head" spawnarg for attached heads (post). * Fixed lockpicking getting stuck if you go away (5715). * Hopefully fixed random flickering when frob-highlighting objects with stencil shadows enabled. * Fast and deterministic normal maps compression on CPU (5716). * Optimized OGG files loading. * Optimized TGA files loading. * Continued work on X-ray support. * Continued work on subtitles support (2454). * Added new models and prefabs by @Wellingtoncrab. * Added material textures/darkmod/window/wooden_frame01/wooden_frame01_dark. * Probably fixed reloadModels for .lwo files. dev16358-9588 * Fixed crashes in image loading on AMD driver (5591). * Fixed occasional crashes in TGA loading optimization (5716). * Generate mipmaps for non-DDS textures in software, see cvar image_mipmapMode. * Frob outline disabled by default, see r_frobOutline (thread). * Tweaked render order ("sort last") for particle materials. * Continued work on subtitles (2454). * Removed [cleanup] button in mod selection menu (thread). dev16368-9627 (*) * Major changes in frob highlight/outline: translucency, alpha test, shine-through (5427). * Restored geometric frob outline under r_frobOutline 2 (5427, post). * Fixed bug breaking GL core profile, which usually caused black menu on AMD (post). * (WIP) Volumetric light effect. * Renderer's "safe mode" changed to windowed 800 x 600 (post). * Cap volume parameter in sound shader by 1.5 (4627). * Lockpicking sound no longer affected by EFX reverb. * Some changes in time handling, fixed timescale on uncapped FPS (5324, 4698). * Reduced pause on game start from 1.0 to 0.1 seconds (5314). * Minor dmap (aas) acceleration (5562). * Minor optimizations in models / sounds loading. * Don't drop held item after bumping dead/unconscious AIs (3516). * Tweaked render order ("sort last") for particle materials, reverting some. * Some changes in randomization (5763). * Minor fix in game console. * Adjusted stlucia.pk4 to avoid tdm_installer analysis... unsuccessfully. * Changed integration of doctest unit tests. Known problems: some maps broken with "clip model outside world bounds" warning spam. dev16390-9648 * Fixed "clip model outside world bounds" warning spam on some maps (post). * Fixed sparklies on hard geometric frob outline with bloom (5427). * DDS textures can be used in image programs, although they should not (5781). * Fixed spotlights/projected lights illuminating objects outside their frustum (5529). * Continued work on volumetric light shader: LOD, stencil, etc. (5816). * Allow xray shader in GUI overlays, fixed rare crash. * Do not spam warnings when index cache is not ready yet, e.g. during noclip on large map. * Minor fix of game console behavior. * (WIP) Changed frustum of spotlights when near != 0 (5815). * Fixed AlertDuration of security camera (5528). * Fixed normalmaps: flagstones_mossy_01 (5777), flagstones_gravel (5760), ash_001 and ash01_crumb_edge (5784), blocks_large_mildew (5786), ornament_shield_white_eagleandpallets (5803). * Added material for rough_grey_blocks (5789). * Added missing "torn" skins for all paintings. * Commented out additional camera screen materials (5676). beta210-01 (rev 16399-9702) * Projected lights: restored TDM 2.07 behavior, fix lighting outside frustum (5815). * Fixed light frustum precision (4888). * Major changes in volumetric lights (5816). * Continued work on security camera (5528). * X-ray improvements. * Fixed severe slowdown with soft stencil shadows and antialiasing. * Allow lifting ragdolls above ground, unless they have "ground_when_dragged" (5599). * Fixed mirrors getting black under "image_useTexStorage 1" (topic). * Added script events: vecRotate, getCalibratedLightgemValue, setSolid, getEntityFlag. * Take entity orientation account in flinderization offsets. * Removed "emitter_size" spawnarg. * Fixed r_showLights. * Refactor shaders: extracted common code to includes. beta210-02 (rev 16411-9731) * Fixed dbghelp.dll issue which blocked running TDM on fresh Windows 7 (issue). * Fixed rare depth fighting when SSAO is on. * Fixed OpenGL error with shadow maps when no light fallbacks to stencil implementation. * Fixed envshot command (5796). * Restored materials and prefabs for multiple camera GUIs. * X-ray: supported "suppressInSubview" spawnarg on lights (also affects other subviews like mirrors) * Added X-ray related assets: materials, visible/invisible skins. * Added script events: getLocationPoint, pointIsInBounds, getTraceSurfType. * Preserve opacity towards AIs and restore frobability in script event setSolid. * Func_emitters can now be bound without the particle flickering rapidly. * Fixed "condump unwrap". * Added display case models without glass to allow them to have breakable glass. * Added forcescreenaspect + hcenter GUI keywords for aspect-ratio-independent images. * Removed a few subtitles lines which were for testing only. * Internal typeinfo changes. beta210-03 (rev 16421-9771) * Reverted to 2.09 frob-highlight: no outline, use material frob stages. * Added three new frob outline presets by @kingsal and @nbohr1more. * Changed the way volumetric lights are set up (see wiki page). * Volumetric lights respect noshadows and don't affect lightgem. * Added script events: getHealth, setHealth, setSolid,projectDecal; fixed getLocationPoint. * Added script event getEnemy and canSee to security camera. * Add Epifire's flinder models to the security cameras. * Fixed subtitles going sticky on save/load. * Slightly reduced subtitles font size, added semi-transparent black background. * Added subtitles to Saint Lucia mission. * Fixed dmap issue in generating unoptimized collision maps for patch-only entities (5859). * Elemental no longer has 8 legs, wasting time in inverse kinematics. * Some optimizations in frontend: fix disabled optimization, avoid vertex data copy. * Added r_useInteractionTriCulling -1 mode to move some CPU load to GPU. * Fixed lamp cubemap light textures. * Fixed language switches broken by new main menu GUI. * Fixed occasional spam about slow jobs (threshold is now 100 ms instead of 10 ms). * Corrected OpenGL usage of clipping planes in shadow map generation. * Console printing is now threadsafe, which could crash Frontend Acceleration. * Improvements in system console on Windows. * Allow all SIMD code supported by compiler on Elbrus CPU. beta210-04 (rev 16441-9798) * Security camera now supports AI detection, also fixed volumetric lights. * Fixed save/load for volumetric lights, supported scrolling light materials. * Fixed scrolling light textures (5860). * Fixed uncompressed normal maps and backface lighting (5862). * stain01bwet material now works as it always did, no depth fighting (5325). * Skip X-ray rendering when it is already within subview. * Removed parchment from message about secrets (5549). * Fixed and upscaled droppuddle texture (5870). * Extended tooltips in video settings menu. * Fixed randomization of gui::random_value on game load. * A bit more subtitles in Saint Lucia mission. * Fixed 1280 x 960 resolution in 4:3. * Fixed rare graphic bug in some debug tools. * Small optimization in frontend: reuse index array for interaction. beta210-05 (rev 16457-9815) * Fixed bright lines on the boundary of light volume on AMD drivers (5876). * Fixed secret counter increased multiple times on single-count entities (5549). * Security camera: "sweepWaitSoundOffset" spawnarg controls snd_end timing. * Security camera: snd_sparks and snd_death can be used simultaneously. * Security camera: split "seeAI" spawnarg into "seeAI", "seeAnimals", "seeBodies". * Fixed the xray model stuck in place when shouldered. * Improved player GUI for taking damage. * Added spawnarg "animal_patrol_wait" to allow animals that move continuously (post). * Portal sky scissor optimization. * A bit of cleaning in source code conan dependencies (5839). * Fixed hover highlight on Restart Game button in settings menu. * Volumetric lights refactoring. beta210-06 (rev 16472-9845) * Fixed saving/loading of suppressInSubview for X-ray. * Fixed language setting being ignored on restart (post). * Reimplemented rotation in new grabber code, rotating heavy objects is easy now (post). * Fixed weird spots sticking on screen sometimes when bloom is on (post). * Fixed seeAI setting for security camera towards AIs on hostile teams; updated editor descriptions. * Fixed one more bug causing tdm_installer to analyze installation. * image_downsize no longer affects loading screens and other GUIs. * Fixed lighting with "image_useNormalCompression 0". * Added editor description for nodrop spawnarg. * Reorganized mapper tool prefabs, fixed Epifire's wall-mounted security camera prefab. * Removed non-working 16-bit color option from the menu settings. * Improved EFX in New Job mission (5594). * Fixed issue in Saint Lucia mission: all voiceovers being played on mission restart (4828). * Some more corrections to subtitles in Saint Lucia mission. beta210-07 (rev 16474-9850) * Set r_useMultiDrawIndirect to 0, fixing NaN flickering on AMD drivers. * Fixed X-ray combined with Render Scale. beta210-08 (rev16475-9853) * Fixed crash on index cache resize with now default "r_useMultiDrawIndirect 0". Changelog of earlier versions can be found here.

PLAYERS 1) A lot of effort was put into optimizing loading times. It includes: better integration of decompression, multithreading, immutable texture storage, handwritten normal map compression and mipmap generation, removing artificial delays. As the result, we even had to modify loading screens of some missions, because allocated 10% of loading time was no longer enough for a player to read the hint 2) Generic performance improvements were done too. Most importantly, we fixed performance regressions since 2.07: rendering static geometry (5598) and soft stencil shadows with antialiasing. This hardly makes a difference, but it is nice to know that TDM can now use AVX instructions on Linux builds too. 3) We made some changes to window / input systems. Most importantly, Linux build now relies on GLFW library to create window and handle keyboard / mouse (thread), so a lot of the issues with OS integration on Linux should go away. On the Windows side, some minor changes were made to fullscreen/borderless modes. 4) New implementation of object dragging / manipulation (thread) Afraid to grab a candle near a sleeping guard? Hopefully, you will make less noise while moving objects in 2.10. And if you hold the creep button, the moved item will not make any noise at all. Also, dragging unconscious bodies should feel better now. Rats slighty spoiled the joy of this improvement (rats often do), but hopefully it is fixed now Finally, now you can control how far a rock flies by holding throw button for a different amount of time. 5) New visual style for frob-highlighting objects. This point is still surrounded by debates though (thread, poll), so the fate of the frob outline is yet uncertain. 6) Tooltips are now shown in the main menu. Perhaps the text is not perfect yet, but this is a birth of the long-awaited feature! 7) Tweaked starting new mission in the main menu. The old way of "installing" and starting missions was quite confusing for newcomers. So we reorganized the main menu a bit, and now it is hopefully more intuitive. MAPPING 1) Entity limit is no more (thread). Well, number of entities is technically capped by 65536, but I don't think it can be reached by ordinary mapping. You should no longer use the insane tricks of the past striving to reduce the number of entities (unless the tricks have other benefits, of course). 2) Behavior of spotlights (projected lights) reverted back to how they worked in 2.07. It means that the missions released before 2.08 should now look as intended. The sad thing is that the missions with projected lights tweaked for 2.08 or 2.09 are probably a bit off now. Also, fixed a bug that spotlights illuminated surfaces outside their light volumes. 3) Security camera improved. Security cameras have been reworked from the ground up with the aim of bringing them to the same level of polish as TDM's AIs, both when it comes to stealth gameplay and how mappers can work with them and customize them. Most importantly, security cameras in new FMs will track the player once they catch sight of him rather than freezing in place, making them considerably harder to shake off. All the details can be seen on the wiki page. 4) Volumetric lights can now be used on projected lights (thread). Unlike adding fake translucent geometry, the real volumetric lights automatically match their source light, including light volume geometry, projection & falloff texture, and even shadows. Full description of available settings is available on the wiki page. 5) X-ray screens feature added. This feature that was originally in Doom 3, has been reintroduced to TDM and developed further. The screens are able to change the appearance of entities seen through them, even making them appear or disappear if desired. Look out for them in future Inventors Guild and magical themed FMs. You can find the thread here with links to the relevant wiki articles. l 6) Added a system for tracking secrets. Now it is easy to set up, with no custom scripts required. They'll also be shown on the mission statistics screen at the end of the mission, if the FM uses the new system. More can be read on the wiki page. 7) Main menu GUI has been reworked to allow more customization. Mappers can change music, background, disable screens in the uniform way. Debriefing videos work exactly as briefing videos do. The same customizations can be applied to ordinary missions and separately to every mission in campaign. You can find more details in guis/mainmenu_custom_defs.gui inside tdm_gui01.pk4. A lot of the released missions were updated to use the new customization system (thread). Which unfortunately means that their customizations won't work in 2.09 and earlier versions anymore. 8| Dmap times have been reduced (thread). Optimizations were made all over the dmap code, adding some new algorithms and data structures. Of course, the time difference varies between maps. As a side product, precision has been improved in a few places. 9) Added location diagnostics to dmap (thread). Setting up location entities and separators is an error-prone process, and previously there was no good way to find the error. Now dmap will post warnings and even produce pointfiles in case something is wrong with locations, similar to already existing visportal diagnostics. 10) Added native support for PNG image format. Now PNG images can be used in materials. In some cases PNG is a good alternative to TGA for uncompressed images. Note however, that loading PNG is slower than loading TGA, and we have yet to discover if this is a problem or not. As a side note, DDS images can now be used in image programs, although doing so is discouraged because of additional loss of quality due to compression. 11) Subtitles can now be assigned to sound files (thread). While implementation is a bit raw yet and needs to pass test of time, subtitles have already been added to Saint Lucia prebundled mission. Note that we did not consider localization of subtitles yet (localization as a whole is in weird state in TDM). Full description is available on the wiki page. 12) New script events have been added to the repertoire for use by mappers: a) sys.VecRotate( vector vec, vector angles ) rotates a vector by a set of angles, allowing to match vectors such as offsets to an entity's current orientation. b) entity.getEntityFlag( string flag ) allows to find out properties about entities such as "notarget" (for the player entity) or "invisible". c) $player1.getCalibratedLightgemValue() retrieves the current value of the lightgem, using the same weighting as AIs do. d) entity.setSolid( boolean state ) allows to change the solidity of an entity at runtime. Note that it's still experimental. e) sys.getLocationPoint( vector point ) returns the location of a point in space. f) sys.pointIsInBounds( vector point, vector mins, vector maxs ) evaluates whether a point lies within a volume specified by 2 corner points. g) sys.getTraceSurfType() returns the type of surface the most recent trace has hit, such as "snow", if any. *) Some other improvements: a) Supported "set XXX on head" spawnarg on AIs. b) Some LOD improvements, e.g. for lights. c) Hot reload supports more of the popular spawnargs (i.e. without respawn). d) In-game downloader can update the currently installed mission. ASSETS 1) Automaton AI from Ulysses mission by @Sotha have been added to core, together with new prefabs for (cosmetic) recharging stations to include in patrol routes and a camera screen showing what the automaton sees. 2) @Wellingtoncrab contributed a whole new suite of fancy wooden furniture pieces including prefabs. They can be viewed in their release thread. PROGRAMMING Some interesting things happened on programming side too. First of all, the limited GL profiling has been replaced with Tracy profiler, which has its own cool viewer. It has greatly helped us in our optimization efforts. More technical stuff: generic hash table has been added, Clear in idlib method now works as most programmers expect, unit tests integration has been improved. Another major event that happened this year is migration to the new mission database, based on SVN repository. Hopefully, there will be less confusion about mission updates, and old versions of FMs will not be lost anymore.

Are you sure that antialiasing is set the same for both? Are you sure that you haven't changed settings for each executable in your graphics control panel differently? In 2.07 running 4xAA was doable with not that much performance penalty. In 2.09 running 4xAA would cause an almost 4x decrease in performance, at least that's what I've experienced.

I am going to sort-of reveal that this is loosely like the nature of my upcoming mission. I noted it here when JackFarmer asked about things that are coming along in this post: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/profile/37993-jackfarmer/&status=3943&type=status It too is a builder church. The player is requested by a hopefully famous character in another mission to handle some business that is affecting the congregation. I am looking to invoke some info and history laid down in other missions as a hook story.

I created the page: https://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=Lightgem In the source I placed the following text: <!-- Page text made by forum user Fiver: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/22327-how-can-i-create-an-account-on-the-tdm-wiki/&do=findComment&comment=491145 --> Personally I think the page isn't really necessary because the info is already present under HUD.

Keep in mind also that mission size, and complexity have increased dramatically since the beginning. For a lot of veteran mappers, it can take over a year to get a map made and released. The last dozen missions have for the most part been pretty massive, with new textures, sounds, scripts, models etc. We seem to be long past the point of people loading up the tools, and banging out a mission in a few weeks that's very barebones. We still do see some of those, but I noticed in the beta mapper forums and on Discord, that mappers seem to make these maps, but don't release them, and instead use the knowledge gained to make something even better. Could just be bias on my part scrolling through the forums and discord server though.

I have returned to TheDarkMod after a few years (I played it a lot around 2015-16, even tried making a map, it did not go anywhere so I donated those few assets). The missions are great. In this one in particular, the navigation is awesome. The city is very good. I have noticed a trend though: the puzzles are more complicated; a lever may open something *somewhere*. Do you think that large TDM missions are suffering from "puzzle creep", that the veteran and in-community players do not notice? [/spoiler] So you have to go *all the way back* to use the crystal key on the teleporter thingy? And I don't know how to deal with the burning crystals either. I ended up killing nearly all enemies in the mages' place, with sword and holy water, because, yeah, I need to figure things out and I can't be bothered to stealth from one place to another anymore, lol. I will try checking the readables and environment with a bit more patience and see. [spoiler] The old format for spoiler tags does not work, not does changing the '/'. Wow, what a way to advertise "I am dumb" XD IMO the best way is to place gradual spoilers in the forum thread. I know it's a bit of a burden on the authors but answering 20 questions disjointly from different users is one as well.

Personally I think Moonbo's Requiem FM is about as good as one could wish for in terms of a spiritual successor to the Thief trilogy. The story hits all the important notes, and the level design is uniformly top notch across all the expected axes of stealth gameplay. And there is even a sequel that trailblazes entirely new territory from its predecessor in gameplay, story, and tone. That's just icing on the cake. Indeed there several FMs for TDM that I believe equal or even surpass the quality of the original games' levels. The trouble is how do you discover them in that giant downloader list? Are there other great missions in there that I have yet to find? That is undoubtedly the greatest current weakness of this project. The ability to sort FMs in the game client (i.e. both the downloader and the mission launcher) by date, size, and author would be a great help. Search by keywords or tags and support for grouping missions into collections would also be very useful.

For the last 1-2 weeks the forums have been really slow and unresponsive for me, when I type a post half the time it just sits there etc.. is anyone else having the same issues..?

In the first post of the other topic Geep proposed: Then Stgatilov's answer: But I think applying subtitles in different languages shouldn't be too hard I would think, but I don't know how the current translation system works. The engine should apply the correct subtitles based on the applied language setting, this doesn't need a whole new language system I think. Not sure who's going to write those subtitles though. I can only do Dutch and English and nobody needs Dutch I think. I suggest further discussion of this to take place in topic https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/21741-subtitles-possibilities-beyond-211/