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The real St. Alban was a pagan who became a celebrated religious personality, this All Saints Day 2010 The Dark Mod places its own spin on this mythical figure. Screenshots: Intro: "'Business' has been slow lately, even more so after most of my gear got snatched during a Watch raid... I've since been forced to hit the streets and pick pockets for a living. But my luck was about to change, last night I was approached by a red hooded figure with a proposition... As we sat down in a dark corner of a nearby inn, he told to me that the Builders of St. Alban's Cathedral in the Old Quarter had recently unearthed a discovery that might lead to the final resting place of some saint." " But before I do anything, I need to get my tools and stash from the evidence room at the local watch station." "with the hawks, doves will congregate they will drop honey from the cliffs wine will surge over the earth the sheep will wander harmlessly with the wolf then the wicked will rise, but to retribution" - 'scripture of St Alban' There is a new version out now, see the following thread St Albans Cathedral version 1.6 Build Time: about 2-3 months. Thanks:- Huge respect to the Dark Mod team for such a great mod and for all the hard work they put into it and continue to put into it. Special thanks to Fidcal, Serpentine and others for their help on the forums and to Testing:Ugoliant, Baddcog, Grayman, Lost soul, Bjorn and Baal (for doing all the Vp work in the town. Readables: Ungoliant and Mortemdesino for all awesome work on the readables. Resource: Fids, Grayman, Ungoliant - guis, models & images. Misc: Loren Schmidt - the author of the map I based the cathedral on. Info: # Like Thief2, some things are climable, pipes, wall vines etc.. You can also drop some of the keys, some door that are frobbabe mean there is another way inside - explore u taffer! # Due to TDM being a lot more of a resource hog than T2 I have been forced to limit the number of Ai in the mission, but they have better placement than my last mission. # On all difficulty levels the player starts with vertualy no tools/weapons, there are weapons to be found - read, read, read! # For the love of all that is holy, read the briefing otherwise you will problems completing the mission. Known issues:- # This mission will have less than optimal fps at a few points on the map, mid range DX9 card(X1900/GF7800) or higher required. # On low end PCs I recommend, V-sync is off, AA is off, Aniso is 4x or lower and that any and all background apps are closed.

A couple more: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/21739-resolved-allow-mantling-while-carrying-a-body/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/22211-feature-proposal-new-lean-for-tdm-212/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/22198-feature-proposal-frob-to-use-world-item/ https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/22249-212-auto-search-bodies/

Author Note: This is a brand new mission and a new entry into the accountant series. There are some different than usual puzzles in this FM, so if you find yourself stuck try to think about your pathway forward in a logical manner. And if you're still having troubles then pop by this thread and ask (preferably with spoiler tags). This FM is brand new and serves as the first installment in The Accountant series, a few years back there was a small prologue style mission released however I felt that it did not represent The Accountant series so I decided to go back to the drawing board and do a whole new mission that's larger, has a better level design and has a story that lines up closer to what I plan to do with the accountant series. The mission is medium sized and you can expect between 30-90 minutes to complete it depending on your playstyle. Beta Testers Captain Cleveland Crowind Kingsal PukeyBee Skacky SquadaFroinx Voice Actors AndrosTheOxen Epifire Goldwell Stevenpfortune Yandros Custom assets Airship Ballet Bentraxx Bob Necro Dragofer DrKubiac Epifire Kingsal MalachiAD Sotha Springheel SquadaFroinx Available via in-game downloader File Size: 233 MB - Updated to v 1.1 (01.06.2018)

Welcome to the forums Ansome! And congrats on making it to beta phase!

Yeah it would be cool to see some more detailed statistics and it’s a shame they aren’t really captured. Since we are talking about fan mission platforms, where players also make the content for the game, I feel like the best thing we’ve got is you can look at the number of content releases for the games. Keep in mind the graph counts campaigns as single missions - so for example NHAT and TBP both count as 1 mission. A good year for TDM has has approaching maybe 50% - mostly we’re 25-30%. https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152494 You could also look at the number of ratings thief missions get on https://www.thiefguild.com/ vs TDM ones, but that is pretty iffy in that you could chalk that up to more awareness of the site in the thief community than TDM Out of curiosity is there a reason a thief player can’t be a new player? I kind of think a player is a player and new players would be ones who are playing the dark mod who weren't? Is there disagreement the base of players most likely to pick up the game are fans of the thief games? They are certainly the most fruitful place to find feedback on the game beyond the sphere of this forum that I have seen. When we were trying to finish up SLL there was a lot of discussion on the forums about how long it had been since there was a release for the game. I am thankful that the stats show at least some stability over the years in terms of releases for TDM, but the trend for all of the games is decline. Not doing anything is a valid response if that’s what the devs want to do - it is not possible to provide evidence that any effort will slow that inertia. As a player and content maker I would just prefer trying to find feedback where it is offered from players who were willing to try the game but ultimately could not engage with it and see if there is anything that can be done within reason to ease them into the game. The game has a lot to offer imo. All those players are potential contributors - contributions in turn attract players - it’d be nice to see the cycle go on as long as it can.

New script for mappers: my flavour of a fog density fading script. To add this to your FM, add the line "thread FogIntensityLoop();" to your map's void main() function (see the example in fogfade.script) and set "fog_fade" "1" on each foglight to enable script control of it. Set "fog_intensity_multiplier" on each info_location entity to change how thick the fog is in that location (practically speaking it's a multiplier for visibility distance). Lastly, "fog_fade_speed" on each foglight determines how quickly it will change its density. The speed scales with the current value of shaderParm3, using shaderParm3 = 1000 as a baseline. So i.e. if shaderParm is currently at 1/10th of 1000, then fade speed will be 1/10th as fast. Differences to Obsttorte's script: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/14394-apples-and-peaches-obsttortes-mapping-and-scripting-thread/&do=findComment&comment=310436 my script uses fog lights you created, rather than creating one for you. Obsttorte's script will delete the foglight if entering a fogfree zone and recreate it later more than one fog light can be controlled (however, no per-fog-light level of control) adding this to the map requires adding a line to your void main() script, rather than adding an info_locations_settings entity with a custom scriptobject spawnarg in my script, mappers set a multiplier of fog visibility distance (shaderParm3), while in Obsttorte's script a "fog_density" spawnarg is used as an alternative to shaderParm3 smaller and less compactly written script fogfade.scriptfogfade.map

The devs didn't title this thread, and @datiswous said they're attempting to mislead people by using Russell's name and a retro style to make it resemble Thief, which is cynical. I grew up on forums like I'm sure anyone who likes a game from '98 did. I actually left the Discord immediately after joining it because it was more off-topic doom-posting than anything relevant to the mod. I thought the forums might be better, but it's mostly just grown men yelling at clouds and telling strangers how mature they are, and a few brave souls actually developing anything. Depressing place, I'll just stick to enjoying new missions every 6 months without an account.

True, but, 1. this thread is called "Western stealth FPS with Stephen Russell", and, 2. nothing you said changes anything for me. The gameplay still doesn't look like something I'd enjoy. And, if you really think this forum is cynical, then you don't visit forums much. Actually, the majority of the users are are pretty mature, unlike in other forums.

We didn't make the holidays (such a busy time of year) so here's a New Year's gift, an unusual little mission. Window of Opportunity Recover an item for a regretful trader out in a wilderness setting, and discover more! Available within the in-game mission downloader or: Download: http://www.thedarkmo...ndetails/?id=79 Alternative: https://drive.google...WTMzQXZtMVFBSG8 Some unorthodox gameplay on regular/ghost difficulties. (Arachnophobes might prefer short mode...) Please expect to need your lantern in regular and ghost modes! Short ("easy") mode is a smaller map, so if you are looking for areas others reference below, or 100% of the loot, you'll need to play on another mode. I wanted to create my first mission before I became influenced by too many others' ideas, and limited myself to what has been done before. As such, this mission is not set in a city/town, and has some features that are likely to be provocative. There's a section some really like, which others don't, either way I kept it short to not last too long. That being said, I hope you do find it fun! :-) Special thanks to those who provided valuable testing and feedback: Goldwell, Kyyrma, plotzzz, 161803398874989, PPoe & Bikerdude (who also contributed a sound). (Please remember spoiler tags to not expose things meant to be discovered by playing.) Like so: [spoiler]secrets[/spoiler] If you are having trouble finding the main objective, here's what to pay attention to in the mission for hints: There is a spot it's possible to get stuck on the ground in the corner by the cliff/rockfall where there's a rope laying on the ground, please take care if you poke around there!

With TDM 2.12, after the credits finished, the "Mission Complete" screen did not display. I found that the screen was black and I could hear my footsteps when I tried to move around. I think the reason for the mission not completing successfully was that the "Do not kill or harm allies" objective was never marked as "1 = STATE_COMPLETE" instead it was left as "0 = STATE_INCOMPLETE". Note, I didn't use noclip throughout the mission. Same as: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/18054-fan-mission-the-accountant-2-new-in-town-by-goldwell-20160509/&do=findComment&comment=458491

How about using TDM automation framework (and maybe pcem/qemu)? More info see: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/19828-automation-features-and-discussion/

Beta 11 Fix finished-on state auto-update was unreliable Slighty improve scanner title/author detect Tags are now named some whatever regular-version-looking thing to force GitHub to put the newest at the top

If the "mission fails as soon as stealth score turns non-zero," that would not be good for ghost players. They might need to find out "how" they failed and experiment to avoid alerting guards. They might need to take those score points as a "bust". They might need to take those score points to complete an objective. Then, mission authors would need to encode exceptions into their missions, which would be a lot of work (if they decide to do it at all). However, part of what makes ghosting challenging and fun is when mission authors do not create their missions with ghosting in mind. Please see: Official Ghosting Rules: https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148523 Writing code for these rules would be a huge undertaking. Ghost Rules Discussion: https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148487 Creating an official mode could alienate these dedicated ghost players, because it would clash with what is considered ghosting in the community. Including the Stealth Stat Tool mod in the official release would be more useful. Or, making the audible alert states of guards quick and easy to recognize could help as well. For these reasons, I don't agree with an official "Ghost" mode. If the dev team were to do it, we should consult with @Klatremus so we get it 100% correct or not pursue it at all. (This ghosting bit should probably be in its own thread.)

Hello, I'm updating my post to include a guide to get TDM running with VR headsets using Vorpx. I'll leave the original post below, as it's not my intent to revise history. I think it makes sense to try to keep these discussions consolidated, but please let me know if you'd prefer I start a new topic. With the release of the 2.05, the unlocked framerate makes TDM work better with Vorpx. While the original post aimed to share what I discovered and start a discussion, I think people may find it more helpful now to have the necessary steps on display in the OP when coming across this topic. If you're looking to play TDM with a VR headset and need assistance, please see the guide below: 1. Buy& install vorpx: http://www.vorpx.com/. Vorpx is a stereo injector that allows you to play non-VR games in VR. There are other free options out there that are being worked on that may be worth keeping an eye on for the future (vireio, a re-shade branch), but as far as I know, Vorpx is the only way to get TDM working at present. 2. Open your TDM installation folder & find your Darkmod.cfg file. Back it up. I have a folder with a monitor cfg and one with a VR cfg. You can switch from one to the other just by dropping in the respective file and overwriting. 3. Open Darkmod.cfg and find the lines seta r_customHeight & seta r_customWidth to set an 8:9 aspect ratio. For example, 1280x1440, 960x1080, 1600x1800, and 1920x2160. Choose the highest your system can handle. I'm using 1600x1800, so my .cfg file has these entries: seta r_customHeight "1800" seta r_customWidth "1600" Note: you may wish to try 4:3/5:4 or any other aspect ratio. Just keep in mind you'll need to tweak the fov_ratio to compensate. Which leads us to... 4. With the Darkmod.cfg still open, find seta r_fovRatio and change it to 0.9 if you're using an 8:9 resolution as indicated in step 2. It should look like this: seta r_fovRatio "0.9." If you're using a different aspect ratio, it may take some trial and error to find the right value to enter here. You'll know it's off if everything appears either "too zoomed in" or has a fisheye warping effect. 5. Save & close the Darkmod.cfg file. 6. Create an autoexec.cfg file in the same folder as your Darkmod.cfg and open it up. You can just copy the Darkmod.cfg file, rename it to autoexec.cfg and delete all of the contents. 7. In that file, add these lines: seta com_fixedtic "1" seta r_displayRefresh "90" This will allow the game to go above 60fps and/or allow vorpx to set it's "Async render" to 45fps or 90fps (depending on your hardware) allowing for a smoother experience than would otherwise be possible, as far as I understand it. 8. Save & close the autoexec.cfg file. 9. (Optional) If you would like to eliminate the game's "head bob," which can help with motion sickness, you'll need to bind it to a key-press. First, create an autocommands.cfg file inside the same folder and add these lines: seta pm_bobroll "0" seta pm_bobpitch "0" seta pm_bobup "0" Unfortunately I could not get this to auto-load with this file or the autoexec file. So I bound it to F11 by opening the Darkmod.cfg file and finding bind "F11." "It should look like this: bind "F11" "exec autocommands.cfg" 10. Save & close the autocommands.cfg file. 11. Download either grodenglaive's (Vive) or bucklebean's (Rift) vorpx cloud profile using the vorpx config app & follow the instructions to import it. Either profile may be a good starting point for either headset. It might be wise to try each & go from there. 12. Depending on your headset, you'll need to launch SteamVR or Oculus Home. 13. Lanuch vorpx 14. Launch TDM & disable post processing. Otherwise, you'll get flickering light sources. I also suggest disabling in-game AA to maintain decent FPS. 15. Vorpx translates mouse movement into head tracking. You should consider setting smooth mouse to off. You're going to want to tweak your in-game mouse sensitivity along with the vorpx head tracking sensitivity which can be found in the vorpx in-game menu. 16. Play TDM in VR - You'll probably want/need to press edge-peek (MMB default) to navigate the menu. Some things to consider: - Sometimes the main menu can flicker or completely disappear! Don't fear. Just press the edge peek button (MMB default) and your menu should come back. - The skybox doesn't appear correctly in 3D. There's a console command to remove the skybox completely, but the sky will flash/flicker. I don't have a fix. - Vorpx has a few 3D modes - G3D, Z-normal & Z-adaptive. The Z-modes DO NOT WORK. If you accidentally set one of these, you'll be greeted with blurry horizontal lines. You should be able to press your keyboard left & right arrow keys to set it back to G3D. If you can't, you're best bet is to shut down the game. You may not have saved that config, so a restart of the game might fix it. If not, you can try jumping back in and navigating the vorpx menu blind, but it's probably easier to just restore the cloud profile in the vorpx config app. - The settings from the vorpx cloud profiles might not be to your taste. Once in-game, press the "DEL" key to open up the vorpx menu. Here you'll find several tabs where you can make numerous tweaks to personalize your experience. You may even want to create your own custom profile to share. Some of the tweaks need "advanced settings" to be enabled on the main page of the vorpx launcher. - If you find that game objects, NPCs, doorways, etc... appear to be too large or too small, you'll want to adjust the stereo separation to taste. - If you find the game too bright or dark, you can adjust the gamma. The in-game gamma & brightness does not work. - You may want to adjust the sharpness setting to taste. My default profile has this all the way up. - If you set "fluidsync" on, the game will lock to no greater than 45fps. You may find this more comfortable than a variable framerate. I prefer to have this off most of the time because the Vive, Rift, & vorpx all have built-in software solutions to help with this. I want to be clear, VR, especially with vorpx requires a lot of power to run. However, with these software solutions, framerates that drop even into the 20's or 30's are surprisingly playable. What you are willing to put up with is going to be a matter of personal preference. You can check your framerate by pressing att+f. It might be wise to take a look at the TDM wiki for information on how to improve performance. You want to maintain as high a framerate as possible for the most comfortable experience. If your framerates are just so bad & you can't handle it at all, you may want to try turning off 3D entirely in the vorpx menu. You will lose depth (obviously) but your framerate will skyrocket. It should be close to what you normally see outside of VR. While the 3D is particularly excellent for this title, even by vorpx standards, it's not everything. The performance hit is huge and it's a trade-off you may wish to consider. - You may want to play with the letterbox & pixel 1:1 settings in the vorpx menu to assist with FOV adjustment. Use these in conjunction with the aspect ratio settings and the fov ratio settings. - You can set how far the screen pops out for edge peek. You may find it preferable to move it closer to make readables easier. This requires the advanced settings to be enabled in the vorpx config app. - You can play with motion controls as controller input. The controllers will be represented in the game world, but cannot interact with anything without a button press. It's interesting and may increase immersion, but I still prefer M+KB. YMMV. If you want to do this, you'll have to open the in-game vorpx menu by pressing "DEL" or the controller equivalent & remap the buttons to your liking. - Check out HTRF audio. It's totally worth it. http://forums.thedarkmod.com/topic/17689-improve-your-tdm-experience-by-playing-with-openal-soft-hrtf-better-3d-audio/ Here's a video that Grodenglaive put together about a year ago showing this working: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKYVq4jgy5k&t=139s Please don't hesitate to let me know if you have any questions. Original Post below: ................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Hi Everyone, Apologies for the long post ahead... I'd really like to thank everyone working on this project. You've truly created something very special here and I feel quite fortunate to have stumbled onto this a couple of years ago. When I received the DK2 last summer, one of the first things I did was attempt to get The Dark Mod working with 3rd -party injection drivers vireio perception (http://www.mtbs3d.com/new-vireio-site) and vorpx (http://www.vorpx.com/). Sadly, neither would hook because they are based on directx and TDM uses opengl. I talked to some folks working on the Doom 3 oculus implementation project and even downloaded TDM source code with the intent to try my hand at support, but quickly learned I was in WAY over my head. Fast-forward to 10/23/15 and the latest version of vorpx has preliminary support for opengl titles. The first thing I tried was TDM and it hooked! Huge disclaimer: the game does not have official support. There is NO 3D effect, nor is there positional tracking. Head tracking is intact, so your head movements are like mouse-look, but not the full 6-degrees of freedom (like leaning forward, backward, up, down...). Framerate is also a minor issue (see below). I want to be very clear that this is far from perfect. VR purists would probably not touch this. I am, however, quite pleased as punch. I learned a long time ago not to allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. FWIW, in a very short time I have determined that this will be my preferred method of playing. I booted up Tears of Saint Lucia and I can't describe the feeling of looking up at the buildings. The sense of scale is spot on. And oh my god, this game is DARK on the OLED screen. The flickering torches and candles in the distance... the lighting in this game is glorious. The atmosphere is visceral. The slow, careful, stealth pacing is perfect for VR. Frantic movements are generally not good. This is the opposite. There are some things that need consideration: - Framerate - generally, a rock-solid 75fps is required to have a good experience on the DK2. TDM is locked to 60 (or 62/63?). I could not figure out how to unlock it again. I had done that before when I got my 144hz monitor, which I quickly learned was a mistake. The speed of the game was all out of whack. Still, I'd like to see how it operates at 75. Nevertheless, the very good news is the latest version of vorpx also incorporates asynchronous timewarp, which eliminates the stutter/judder that occurs when the framerate drops below 75. The game is smooth sailing and would not be playable without this feature. - Resolution, FOV - because of the odd shape of the screen and the need to render 2 images, normally, when a game runs at a 16:9 aspect ratio, you need an FOV of around 120 to get it to look right. TDM used to allow you to set a custom FOV, but I cannot figure out if that's still possible. Instead (and likely for the better), you need to set a custom 8:9 resolution (I used 1280x1440) in the .ini files and set r_fovratio to about 0.85 (still playing with it, but a value somewhere between 0.85 - 0.888 should work). This gets the FOV almost perfect. See here for more info: https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/3q2nup/vorpx_09_performance_tip_custom_89_resolution/ - I created an autocommands file to eliminate the head bob. YMMV. For me, when in VR, head movements not controlled by the player can make me nauseous. Even on a monitor, honestly. See here: http://forums.thedarkmod.com/topic/7763-can-the-view-tilting-while-moving-be-turned-off/ And that's it! Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions. I'd be curious to see how others are getting on. For reference, I have played the following in VR: Dishonoed Deus Ex GOTY DXHR Thief Gold Thief 2 + T2X Thief 2014 Neon Struct The first 3 on that list I have done complete playthroughs, including DLC. The rest to varying degrees. The stealth genre is so perfect for VR because combat can be avoided (if desired), you can usually move at your own place, exploration is rewarded, and the atmosphere in these games is among the best. I often find myself just sitting quietly listening to the patter of the rain or the crackle of a fireplace, soaking it all in. p.s. - It's also helpful to be pretty familiar with the game mechanics because you can't see the m+kb.

To cater to both audiences. I mentioned LibreGameWiki as one example. nbohr1more mentioned other uses. Explicitly allowing reuse and spread will help TDM reach a wider audience and would hopefully attract more volunteers. More volunteers which can help improve both TDM versions. There are several benefits for a project of being in the Debian repo. One is that TDM Debian-users can report defects on any package directly to Debian (no need to register on separate forums). Debian may then fix the issue themselves (in their "TDM-libre" package) and will offer the patch upstream to TDM, who can then choose to accept or reject the patch. I envision "TDM-libre" to have the same capability of downloading any mission as regular TDM. The only difference is that "TDM-libre" would come packaged with the regular engine (which is GPL+BSD) and an included mission that has libre media/gamedata. When I play TDM by myself, I want the unlimited-play and can accept commercial restrictions. But if I were to promote it somewhere, or charge for a stream when playing online, or make a video, I would want a version without commercial restrictions (and can temporarily accept limited-play) to make sure I don't violate anyone's copyright. Perhaps. That's what I'm trying to find out.

I suggest you use the term "I", to make clear that it is something YOU want, and that you speak for yourself. But, as wesp5 mentioned, I don't really know what this is about, at all. And, I'm also wondering about all the newly registered people lately, who just arrived at this forum, and already want to revolutionize this mod. This is a thing I noticed 2 or 3 years ago, and which hasn't been present in the 15 years I play this mod and frequent these forums now. Really seems like a common thing these days, to not knock on the door, but kick it in, and stomp right in.

TDM has tons of textures from "free" texture resources that do not allow redistribution and cannot be incorporated into a commercial project. Someone would need to create a huge replacement pack of textures that do not break the look of existing missions and do not infringe on the copyrighted textures. Also, many artists who contributed to this project do not want 3rd party entities to use their work in commercial projects. They intended the models, textures, sounds, animations to be exclusively used for Darkmod content. You would either have to replace ALL assets or contact every contributor and ask them to re-license their assets. Many contributors are no longer active with the project and haven't visited the forums in years so it would be no easy feat. I cannot speak to Debian policy but I think that they treat installers that add non-free content the same as non-free content itself. One could argue that Steam is such an installer but I guess Debian would counter that there are a few fully Libre games on Steam. I think Debian, Ubuntu, or Linux Mint need to consider a repo that allows for games (etc) that include non-libre content but intentionally offer this content for free to the community with no stipulations other than "don't try to sell it as a product".

The gamepad implementation allows for a great degree of flexibility to personalize settings, aside from a few minor issues that I mentioned here: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/22337-gamepad-bindings/ I would say that playing TDM with a gamepad works very well, especially considering that it was implemented as experimental and hasn't been changed since then. If I could, I'd go back to 2021-you and congratulate you on buying that gamepad. I notice that your DarkmodPadbinds.cfg looks very different from mine...

It seems like more and more "thief" and "thief players" is becoming a short hand to dismiss community members earnest desire to improve the game - which happens to be a barely legally distinct "thief style" game which was made by thief fans for thief fans and is "designed to simulate the stealth gameplay of Thief". Who is the predominant player base of the game supposed to be beyond fans of the thief games? Is there some better avenue to find feedback for the game beyond this forum? FOSS and linux forums? I have seen maybe half a dozen posts from that segment. I am a thief fan, I play thief fms, my association with those games is what drives me to play and make things for this game. Are we supposed to pretend the original games are not a huge reason why most of us are here at all? TL;DR version:

Thanks! 1) Doing LONG_PRESS PAD_A (what I, for lack of knowledge, call "jump-mantle" or "_jumpmantle") differs from doing PRESS PAD_A ("_jump"). "_jumpmantle" differs from "_mantle", so they must be mapped to different button-calls. "_jumpmantle" differs from "_jump", so they must also be mapped to different button-calls. This appears to be the case, but it is not evident (or changeable) in DarkmodPadbinds.cfg. "_jumpmantle" seems to be hard coded to always connect to the same button as "_jump" but with a long press. It is as if bindPadButton PRESS PAD_A "_jump" is not actually just binding PRESS PAD_A to "_jump", but rather interpreted as "link PAD_A (regardless of button press time) to behave exactly like keyboard SPACE for short and long presses". I would have expected the default DarkmodPadbinds.cfg to explicitly read: bindPadButton PRESS PAD_A "_jump" bindPadButton LONG_PRESS PAD_A "_jumpmantle" bindPadButton PRESS PAD_B "_crouch" bindPadButton LONG_PRESS PAD_B "_mantle" ... but neither LONG_PRESS PAD_A or "_jumpmantle" is listed in the file. If there are actions "_jump" and "_mantle", I suppose there must also be an action "_jumpmantle" since it is possible for the player to do all those movements: * "_mantle" does the movements "crouch on the high surface, then stand up" * "_jumpmantle" idoes the movements "jump slightly forward, then land standing on the high surface" * "_jump" idoes the movements "jump up, then land exactly where you started" If the actions "_jump" and "_moveup" are not synonymous, then perhaps the action "_moveup" is what i call "_jumpmantle"? 2) Thanks for the link! It was useful in more than one way. I'll link to that page from https://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=Bindings_and_User_Settings#Gamepad_Default_Bindings if I can get an account on the wiki, which proved more difficult than i thought (https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/22327-how-can-i-create-an-account-on-the-tdm-wiki/). However, it does not answer my question how to find out the name ("<button>") used for a button on my gamepad. Basically, I would need to press the button on my gamepad and some program could tell me "That button is called 'PAD_A'". In my case, I have a gamepad "Logitech F310" (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Logitech_F310_Gamepad.jpg) which has a "Logitech button" (see image) that I want to use. I was hoping to find out the "button name" for that button and then edit DarkmodPadbinds.cfg to map it to a function. 3) ... but if that button has an "unusual name" that TDM does not recognize, then it may perhaps not work. E.g. if that button is called "PAD_LOGITECH" and TDM cannot recognize that name, then I cannot map anything to it via DarkmodPadbinds.cfg. Using QJoyPad I can map any keyboard key to it instead, as a workaround, but I cannot map MODIFIER to it (since MODIFIER cannot be set to a keyboard key). If current implementation is still called "experimental", then I must say it works very well; @cabalistic: kudos for that! I may not have continued playing TDM had it not worked with a gamepad.

It is possible that this is a setting that needs to be activated to work: https://mantisbt.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23221

I am going to sort-of reveal that this is loosely like the nature of my upcoming mission. I noted it here when JackFarmer asked about things that are coming along in this post: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/profile/37993-jackfarmer/&status=3943&type=status It too is a builder church. The player is requested by a hopefully famous character in another mission to handle some business that is affecting the congregation. I am looking to invoke some info and history laid down in other missions as a hook story.