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The Numbers don't lie. It has been 15 years since the release of TDM 1.0 in 2009. I think we should consider a contest to celebrate this. Further, the contest goal should be with the intention of motivating the completion of a campaign that can be deemed official. Here are some possible ways forward: Proposal 1: Middle mission(s) Authors are asked to create a mission that expands the story between "A New Job" and "Tears of St Lucia". This can involve escaping the heavily guarded city perimeter, stowing away on a ship or caravan, attempting to recruit a partner for St Lucia and failing, getting caught by Builders before arriving and having to escape their compound, getting lost in haunted woods on the way there, etc. Any interesting way that the connection between the two official missions can be expanded. Points are awarded for making explicit references to Corbin, St Lucia, and any story elements in the two official missions. If the resultant mission is of high enough quality, it can possibly be made into an official mission. If we get a number of excellent submissions and they do not cause logical inconsistencies, we might even be able to add two or more to the official list. Proposal 2: Intellectual Property distinct approximation of TDS missions Over the years, many have asked that we recreate Thief 1 \ 2 in this engine. Obviously we cannot do this due to copyright law but we could create similar missions and stories that approximate the Thief 1 or 2 designs. That said, I think that most of our audience has played these missions to death so it may be underwhelming to see them arrive in approximate form anyway. What might be better would be to develop a similar story to TDS and make missions that resemble what T1 \ T2 players were dreaming would arrive when TDS was announced and the first screen-shots were shown in gaming magazines. So take any TDS mission you like, examine the story arc and wildly re-interpret something similar but on a much grander scale. Since it's possible that two or more contestants will choose the same mission to re-interpret, we have a slot system were authors need to claim their preferred mission and if it is taken then they must select another one or lose some story points. The slots represent a sketch of what the mission author might try to do rather than a blueprint. If authors can come up with a mission that has almost no resemblance to any TDS mission but would make for a compelling story development in a similar story arc then that can be claimed as an alternative to a slot. Proposal 3: Same as proposal 2 but we stick with Thief 1 rather than TDS. Wildly re-interpret T1 based on what you may have dreamed of when reading the gaming magazines or playing the demo. Slots system to prevent duplicate submissions. Maybe with either proposals 3 and 4, we still require the use of Corbin as the protagonist and a connective enough story that they could also be adapted as middle missions for the official campaign if the team agrees on it. Proposal 4: Another "Connections" Contest. We just allow authors to connect any two missions with each other or expand the story of an existing series or single mission. So those are my thoughts. I'll leave it to players and mission authors to suggest other proposals and if we have some sort of consensus about the most popular proposals then we will make a poll. Realistically between now and October we may not be able to hold a contest with any strict guidelines ( and tricky issues with maintaining a distance to Thief IP ) so proposal 4 may still be the easiest option.

I am very curious at the average age of our little community. Thief came out a long time ago when we were young, and I was wondering if we're attracting a younger crowd or if we're all just drifting towards senility. I'll start, I'm between 31-40

We already have two discussion threads on this, but I wanted to put out a poll to see the numbers of where folks sit from the community at large. This poll is anonymous.

I guess it is time to decide: either we can rely on frob outline always enabled, if we should drop the idea and think about refactoring the old material-based system. We need public opinion on this matter. There are three presets right now, and each preset gets a separate vote independently. Comparing presets against each other is not the main goal of this poll, so please do not decrease/increase some votes only because your like another preset more/less. Before voting, please make sure that: You have the latest dev build installed (e.g. previous dev build had a problem with bloom, which is fixed in the latest one). You have played a fair amount of time with each of the outlines enabled. Don't judge by screenshots or after merely enabling it for a minute on a test map. UPDATE: In order enable preset 1, open game console and execute "r_frobOutlinePreset 1". You should see a very thin but very bright outline around frobbed objects then. To enable preset 2, execute "r_frobOutlinePreset 2" (this one should be wider and softer), and the same for preset 3 (which is the widest one).

After some, let's say, 'lack of clarity' on the Bugtracker, I thought it might be productive to bring a poll to all the mappers here, to try to reach a consensus on the matter. I left out the pretty obvious choice of "these should all be options" because I really want to know what each mapper actually wants the default behaviour to be. Ideally, it would be optional. ... To explain exactly what this means:- This is how DarkRadiant post-2.20 (up until now) behaves, and for me personally, needing to press CTRL+N every time (unless the textures have the exact same sizes). This would correspond to option 1. This was the behaviour prior to 2.20, which is also for QERadiant, Q3Radiant, Doom3/Quake4, GtkRadiant, NetRadiant, etc. This would correspond to option 2. Bugtracker issue: https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=5633

I'm curious about what folks would rather see when the power gets cut off in a mission. Here's the simple situation: When the power is cut off, all the lights go out. When the power is restored, all the lights come back on. Now, let's make it slightly more complicated ... IRL, if you wander around the place and turn off half the lights, then turn off the power, all the lights are off. And here's the poll question: When the power is restored, do you expect that 1 - only the lights that were on when the power went out should come back on. (Real life.) OR 2 - all the lights come back on, even the ones that were switched off by you. This could be explained away by saying the power system resets itself to the "safety comes first" paradigm of "more ON lights are good". OR 3 - some other result of turning the power off then restoring it. Please vote, discuss in the thread, and suggest some category 3 situations. Thx.

Not so long ago I found what could make a pretty good profile picture and decided to try it out on these new forums. But I couldn't find a button anywhere that would let me change it. I asked on Discord and it seems Spooks also couldn't find anything anywhere. So I logged into an old alternative account and, lo and behold, that account has a button. This is on the first screen I get when I: 1) click on my account name in the top-right of the browser -> 2) click on 'profile'. Compared to my actual account: Are you also missing this button on your account? It'd be very much appreciated if that functionality could be restored to any of the affected accounts.

The still ongoing Windows 10 topic sparked my curiosity why people do not just switch to Linux. But users of other OSes are also allowed to vote.

Hi, I need to know what the code is to use Spoiler Tags. I am using my tablet and I don't have the options to use anything, like spoiler tags, quote tags, text changes etc. Thanks

So I started using Firefox around version 4 and used that as my main browser with an addon to open up some pages in Internet explorer as required. This remained unchanged untill a few years ago when I removed IE completely and switched to Chrome for those "troublesome/picky" web sites. Over the years Mozilla kept breaking, hiding, removing stuff so I got used to installing addons to add or remove functionality from FF - such as Classic Theme Restorer, Cookie manager, Downloads window, Disconnect and finally Adblock which then got removed for Ublock origin. Fast forward to today and since Firefox version 57 half of my addons no longer work namely (Classic Theme Restorer, Cookie manager, Downloads window), and as of today there isn't a direct replacement for them. So then I discovered Waterfox, which is essentially Firefox 56 code with the latest'ish security updates. I have considered switching to chrome but the lack of similar addons to above and the ease of getting to some options (hidden other otherwise) compared to FF has prevented that move.

Hi guys, through the "cheats" topic I got the idea, that it would be quite useful, if there were tags for missions (the post was about removing the killing restriction in some missions to suit the prefered play style). I don't know how easy or difficult this is, but with them, it would be quite convenient to pick missions with playstyles, environment, etc one does want to use. This could also be expanded to other mission properties. I remember a discussion about climbable drains, handles on doors, that cannot be picked and other things the map author chooses for himself. That way these things would be clearer and as I said before, it is easier to choose missions with playstyles that suit oneself. What do think?