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For some reason when I run "testmap stealth", with stealth.map in the .pk4, the console just tells me "loading maps/stealth" rather than "loading fms/bcd/bcd_stealth.pk4/maps/stealth". Maybe just unpack and delete that .pk4 after renaming the extension to .zip, so that you get darkmod/fms/bcd/maps/stealth.map. Maybe also split up the console commands into "dmap stealth", then "map stealth". You don't need to load bcd beforehand.

Moved this topic from development forums, since it covers a potentially important behavior change in 2.13. Luckily, its important is countered by the rarity of such complicated materials. I hope that this change has not broken existing materials. And even if it had broken any, we will be able to fix them manually...

Downloaded Arx Fatalis yesterday from Steam. I think this is something for me - I really like the style, music...and the Goblin talk (a wild blend of a German version of Thief's Paganish & Jiddish ). Have not seen much of the enemies till now, but the spider models are already quite impressive. Can you help me with the stealth system? If I crouch and approach enemies, they always see me and the "Schleichmodus" button does not seem to work at all...?

And for some pointers, read the following topic: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/22533-tdm-for-diii4a-support-topic/

Is this some kind of action adventure like Soul Reaver with stealth elements? The video you posted on the previous pages was quite cool and showed a lot of different game mechanics. Looks very promising to me! Don't make fun of me, but what the heck is a "dungeon crawler"? Are you referring to games like the old C64 Bard's Tale games?

It was frustrating the first time around, but as soon as I found out about the painting, it wasn't that much of an issue anymore (trade-off I'm totally OK with). But I can also see how that's not an option for players who really want to stealth it (beyond just a zero suspicion score). To me, the bigger issue was the upper floors constantly crawling with people. If that could be decluttered or slowed down just a bit, like giving some of them a bit more resting time between their runs or something.

Cleaning Up the Neighborhood by some1stoleit, bikerdude Brief Description: A small-medium sized assassination mission, taking place in a bar and casino environment with streets surrounding the bar. Story: Crime is out of control in my neighbourhood, when thugs attacked my wife I decided I can no longer stand by idly. Unable to rely on the corruptible city watch and the aloof Builders, I must take matters into my own hands. My first target is a bar called the Scoundrel’s Rest which is not far from my home. It’s owned by a man named Godfrey and considered neutral ground to the various criminal factions inhabiting the city district. There is no doubt its presence attracts criminals towards my neighbourhood, contributing to the infestation of crime. Infiltrating the bar not only creates the opportunity to kill Godfrey and shut it down for good but also allows me to find information about the rest of criminal groups that inhabit my neighbourhood. I gave my thieving days when I met my wife, but for her sake I must take up the profession once more and prowl in the shadows again. Notes/Tips: Your lock picks are noticeably old, so you can’t rely on them to get you past every door. Examine the environment and keep an eye out for keys on pockets.If you see a pipe outside, chances are you can climb up it.On Rusty and Practiced difficulty settings there's a map available for the bar’s ground level and the street surrounding it.It should be possible to ghost the every area in the mission. A small amount of loot however may be difficult or impossible to acquire without knockouts.There are a few hidden optional objectives you can discover. Screenshots Download Mirrors: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rbiashq1c1k56ns/Cleaning%20Up%20the%20Neighbourhood%20v1.0.zip?dl=0 https://mega.nz/#!bMtgiSra!Y1KXGovfYfdtG1xxRkmPYndLxgq7wMNVr8oENnS2Qxg FAQ: I dislike when I get stuck on an FM and have to leave the game to scroll through forums to find out what to do. I think the mission should be straightforward enough to beat without answers, but I will provide a FAQ if it’s needed. Just be sure to give a good try working it out yourself before reading this. Thanks: I’ve found the TDM community very welcoming and helpful as a new member and would like to thank several people. Bikerdude, for allowing me to collobarate with him and showing me a different way to build maps from scratch in Dark Radiant, as well as many other mapping techniques.Resources:Springheel, for his Modules and his retroactive permission to use New Job street segments.Amadeus, for doing some proofreading of the briefing and readables.Obsttorte, for his objective checking script used for one of the optional objectives.Rsoul, for creating new internal version of architecture models.Beta Testers:Amadeus, Cambridge Spy, Abusimplea, Shadow, Boiler’s_hiss, nbohr1more, Springheel, JudithPeople who helped Answer my Questions:Destined, JackFarmerSpecial thanks to Sotha and Springheel whose video tutorial series give me the guidance and confidence to start using Dark Radiant.I apologise if I missed anyone, if I missed you please do contact me and I’ll credit you appropriately. About the Development: Initially this was a solo developed mission made by myself, upon some beta testing I agreed to make the mission collaboration with Bikerdude, with the intention to learn good mapping practices from the collaboration. The mission was redesigning using the same layout as the original but using Springheel’s modules instead of my very simple brushwork, and expanded in scope to include a more detailed street, a canal, a sewer and a rooftop segments. Bikerdude’s use of springheel modules and custom skins is mostly responsible for the beautiful visuals, with my contribution being the layout of areas and the writing. Known Issues: None at the moment.

I recognised the "difficulty level=different character" approach from "Not an Ordinary Guest", and it was nice to see a return of the tension meter from "Reap as you Sow" (which I love, partly because of the novelty of a daytime mission). I had a lot of fun with this, the large number of NPCs packed into a small space made life a lot more interesting in terms of avoiding detection. Challenging, but fun. I have a tenuous relationship with stealth anyway, so annoying the guards and locking them in the passenger cabins worked out quite well, although one or two of the rooms (Room 5 and one other) didn't seem to want to lock afterwards. Having played the thief it threw me for a bit when playing the saboteur because I was too used to being hunted on sight, and being treated as a regular passenger took a little getting used to. I only tried out one of the assassination targets and will have to play the other two at some later stage. I particularly liked the way the other playable characters were handled, e.g. the change of name on the manifest, the thief failing his mission etc.

By way of introduction, Penny Dreadful is a fan mission series dealing with the exploits and misfortunes of Gerald Foxley, lowlife and common opportunist. To stick with the theme of lurid and disreputable pulp literature, these missions were planned to be nasty, brutish and short, which sort of worked in PD1, was not entirely working in PD2, and went out the window with PD3, which ended up much bigger than I ever expected. The series also allows me to experiment with gameplay ideas which do not completely fit TDM standards: Foxley is slightly worse at stealth than the TDM baseline, and can't pick locks: you will need to find different ways of getting into places. In the first episode, The Grail of Regrets, what started out as a routine case of extortion ended with Gerald in the possession of the eponymous Grail. In the second, All the Way Up, these newfound fortunes proved to be shorter than anticipated, as Messer Montrose, a corrupt nobleman, and his ally, the local Bailiff conspired to rob Foxley of the prize to further their own ends. The Grail is now in the hands of Archibald Flint, a powerful crime boss ruling from a mansion on Fiddler's Hill, an infamous den of thieves. However, to get close to him, Foxley has to remove a few obstacles in the way... Erasing the Trail "Kill a man and take his life; wound him, and restore his pride." -- alleyway proverb. "In a city where every window is an eye and every doorway a whispering mouth, it is hard to keep a secret. When I learned of crime lord Archibald Flint's involvement in robbing me of the Grail of Regrets, I knew I'd have to strike quick, and strike first. But I failed. By the time I got near his place on Fiddler's Hill, every gate to his hilltop mansion was locked, every alley patrolled by thieves eager to kill. Two days later, I watched my tenement go up in smoke and flames. The hunt was on, and it wouldn't be over until they'd have their quarry dead or captured. Flint's main enforcer is a man named Grunt, known to communicate in written orders after his throat was cut in some altercation... a real bloodhound. I will have to deal with him one way or another to get the heat off of my back, and allow me to reach Flint himself... Flint is also looking for my dead body, and I'm planning to have it delivered right to his doorstep. Another underworld figure, Almsmaster Quandt, lives a few streets from Grunt's mansion, and he is said to be my spitting image, an uncanny resemblance. Wonder if Flint will recognise the difference... well, time to find out. Sometimes the only way to deal with a hornet's nest is to kick it over. This night, I am back in the middle of it. I have already run into a pair of sentinels, but I slipped into a small garden and jammed the lock behind me with a bit of wire. Hope they don't raise the whole neighbourhood, or this will be over real quick. Time to get moving." Download links: Mega (200 MB)mission downloader!***Performance warning***: as usual, this mission pushes the limits a bit (although less than PD2). The hardware requirements exceed the TDM baseline, and the loading time is fairly long. Optimalisation should be credited to Bikerdude, while the remaining problems are all mine. High-resolution player map (for printing, etc.): Notes: Erasing the Trail is intended to be an open-ended city exploration mission, where you can approach your objectives from multiple angles, and discover multiple solutions to complete them; some more straightforward, some more obscure.Gerald Foxley is a rank amateur who can't pick locks. You will have to find alternate means to break into places.There is no poll to rate the mission because I do not believe in them. Your comments are welcome in writing, however!You can find my concept art in the PK4 file. These images obviously contain heavy spoilers.This mission series predates, and is thus unrelated to the Penny Dreadful TV series. Special thanks: to our testers, Aluminumhaste, Kingsal, Nbohr1more, Oldjim, Skacky and Premier; gigagooga for several new ambient sounds, and sound conversions (Fabrice Hautecloque from Ishar III, tension loops from Golgo 13: the TV series);Yandros, Bikerdude and Goldchocobo for voice acting;epifire! for custom models;The Canon Texture project for texture work.

@Marbrien please use spoiler tags As to your questions:

Because it's super useful not having to browse through the whole thread, and probably not even finding what you're looking for, because people put it in spoiler tags, which are excluded from the search. You don't have to click on the spoiler tag in the original post.

Basically someone always asks. We're all grownups here and it's in spoiler tags so...

Hey all, we are a team of Game Design students at Breda University working on a stealth game called "Levis Umbra", currently in pre-production. We would like your precious help and knowledge in order to get some insight on what type of players engage with this kind of games. It would be great if you could answer some questions about your experience with this genre: it's going to help us shape our project by understanding better, among other things, players' archetypes, needs, motivations and finally create a User/Player Persona. This survey takes about 3~5 minutes to complete. Link to the Survey We won't collect any data, but there's an option at the end of the survey to leave us your e-mail, in case you want to stay up to date with the development. Thanks a lot in advance, we will greatly appreciate any feedback and I'll try to answer any question you have. Best regards, Knutto

Announcing the Release of 'Requiem' for The Dark Mod! Download Download the latest version of the Dark Mod here: http://www.thedarkmo...wnload-the-mod/ Download the mission here: Mediafire: http://www.mediafire...u89/requiem.pk4 Southquarter: http://www.southquar...ons/requiem.pk4 Fidcal.com: http://www.fidcal.co...ons/requiem.pk4 Create a folder in your Dark Mod install with the path "darkmod/fms/requiem" and place the downloaded .pk4 file inside. When you load up The Dark Mod, the mission will appear on the "New Mission" page. Requiem can also be found directly using the in-game loader. Gameplay Notes While this mission is playable in TDM 1.8, for an optimal experience please download and play in TDM 2.0 (or higher). Most inventory items in the game can be dropped, so no need to carry them around after they are no longer of any use. Note that If you use noclip or other console commands while playing, there is a good chance that you will break the intended flow of gameplay. Credits Mapping and Readables: Gelo R. Fleisher Voice Acting: Goldwell Additional scripting: Obsttorte Additional textures and assets: Flanders, Sotha, Grayman, Springheel, Bikerdude, Obsttorte Additional map optimizations: Bikerdude Testers: Bikerdude, Obsttorte, Gnartsch, AluminumHaste, Baal, nbohr1more, PPoe Custom Soundtrack: Leonardo Badinella - http://leonardobadinella.com/ Additional Music: Lee Rosevere - http://freemusicarch...c/Lee_Rosevere/ Marianne Lihannah - http://www.funeralsinger.net/ Vox Vulgaris - http://www.last.fm/music/Vox+Vulgaris/ A note from the author Hi all. While I've been involved in indie game development for a while now, I'm first and foremost a writer. My most recent project has been a novella that tries to capture the visual feel and tone of the Thief series (you can find the link below). As I was writing, I found myself playing a lot of Thief and Dark Mod fan missions, and got to thinking that maybe I wanted to make one myself, as a companion piece to the book. When I finished up writing, I had a bit of down time and decided to take the plunge. Having never done any serious mapping before, my plan was to make a small mission that I could bang out in a month or two and call it a day. Well, as sometimes happens, the project got a little bit bigger than I had planned. Ten months, and lots of elbow grease later, Requiem is finally ready for you to play. I'd like to thank everyone who helped pitch in to help make Requiem come alive, from those who took the time to answer my many questions on the forums to those who actively contributed to the FM. I especially want to thank Bikerdude who served as my mapping mentor, and Obsttorte whose clever scripts really turned what was in my head into the game that you are playing. Above all, I want to thank you for downloading and playing Requiem; I hope you enjoy it. Links of Interest Author's Blog: http://gfleisher.blogspot.com/ Companion Novella (Amazon): http://www.amazon.co...k/dp/B00BYEW02M Companion Novella (Smashwords): http://www.smashword...oks/view/298956

If the "mission fails as soon as stealth score turns non-zero," that would not be good for ghost players. They might need to find out "how" they failed and experiment to avoid alerting guards. They might need to take those score points as a "bust". They might need to take those score points to complete an objective. Then, mission authors would need to encode exceptions into their missions, which would be a lot of work (if they decide to do it at all). However, part of what makes ghosting challenging and fun is when mission authors do not create their missions with ghosting in mind. Please see: Official Ghosting Rules: https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148523 Writing code for these rules would be a huge undertaking. Ghost Rules Discussion: https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148487 Creating an official mode could alienate these dedicated ghost players, because it would clash with what is considered ghosting in the community. Including the Stealth Stat Tool mod in the official release would be more useful. Or, making the audible alert states of guards quick and easy to recognize could help as well. For these reasons, I don't agree with an official "Ghost" mode. If the dev team were to do it, we should consult with @Klatremus so we get it 100% correct or not pursue it at all. (This ghosting bit should probably be in its own thread.)

-:- BEYOND THE MODPACK -:- Let's list here other tools and mods available for TDM. Candidates are supposed to have a degree of completeness, provide some value to players, and work with TDM without much effort. Are we missing anything? Speak up! Refer to the TDM Wiki for an additional list of add-ons. TDM 2.12 introduces Multi-addons support and some mods may not yet be ready for 2.12 but everything will eventually get updated, I am sure. ALL: please use the dedicated topics to comment and/or contact the authors! Do not do it here. Modders: if you don't want your tool/mod listed here, or if you want your tool/mod presented differently, please contact me here or via private message. ~ AngelLoader Credits: FenPhoenix Description: [...] AngelLoader is a standalone fan mission loader for Thief 1, Thief 2, Thief 3, System Shock 2, and The Dark Mod. Unlike FMSel, which requires a separate copy for each game, AngelLoader allows you to manage and play all your FMs in one place. [...] Topic: AngelLoader TDM Support (now released!) GitHub: AngelLoader ~ Unofficial Patch Credits: wesp5 (and other contributors) Description: [...] This patch adds several small improvements to the main game which in my opinion make gameplay more realistic and fun, sometimes easier as well, and it also brings some order to the downloaded missions list! [...] Topic: Unofficial Patch ModDB: The Dark Mod Unofficial Patch ~ Visible Player Hands Credits: jivo Description: This mod adds visible hands when the player crouches and has no weapon equipped, for those who like extra details and believe it adds to immersion. Topic: Visible Player Hands Mod ModDB: Visible Player Hands ~ Nameless Objects Credits: snatcher Description: Adds names to most objects of the game (TDM Modpack required). Topic: Nameless objects... a missed opportunity ~ Autosave Credits: chumbucket91 Description: The mod autosaves the mission every five minutes wrapping around after reaching five saves. Topic: Quick and Dirty Autosave Mod ~ Dynamic Save Room Credits: RedEmber Description: [...] mod intended for the niche of players who enjoy the extra tension/challenge from limited saves. Topic: Dark Mod: Dynamic Save Room Mod - A custom save restrictions challenge ~ Fresnel Mod Credits: nbohr1more Description: [...] It enhances the 3D depth of scenes and makes metals, wood, and skin look more realistic [...] Topic: TDM Fresnel Mod ModDB: Fresnel Mod 2.12 ( Unofficial ) ~ Flame Glare Mod Credits: nbohr1more Description: Wanna have beautiful glows with your Torches and Flames? Look no further! Topic: A little experiment with Fire glares... ModDB: Flame Glare Mod ~ Augmentation Mod Credits: MirceaKitsune Description: [...] an addon that implements detailed player functionality, inspired by the first DeusEx game (The Conspiracy) [...] Topic: Script: Per limb damage, skill system (WIP) ~ Wearable disguises Credits: MirceaKitsune Description: [...] The player can pick up headwear and equip by using the item, making you a member of the target team when active. [...] Topic: Mod: Wearable disguises ~ TDM Texture Mod Credits: Hugo Lobo Description: 700 textures changed! Post: TDM Texture Mod ~ Alternative Footstep Sound Package Credits: SeriousToni Description: [...] If you like to try an alternative set of footstep sounds [...] Topic: New Footstep sounds ~ Thiefier Sounds Credits: Gin Description: [...] player footsteps sounds for the 3 surfaces that I found to be the weakest in the base game. Topic: Thiefier Sounds (Tile, Wood, and Stone Sound Pack) ~ Collection of adjusted sounds Credits: Ujtudor (aka Anton) Description: A remaster/edit of most of the impact sounds from The Dark Mod. Topic: Collection of adjusted sounds by Anton ~ Railway Lamp Credits: Obsttorte, Dragofer, Goldwell, Amadeus, snatcher (and probably others) Description: First person view (like a weapon) Railway lamp / lantern for the player. Topic: Player Lamp (beta) ~ Small gui tweaks Credits: uyvie Description: Tweaked Lightgem / Tweaked HUD / Health & Air Bar Relocation Post: uyvie's small gui tweaks ~ Adjust player speed with mouse wheel Credits: Obsttorte, snatcher Description: Proof of concept for adjusting the player speed with the mouse wheel using the external app AutoHotkey. Post: Adjust player speed with mouse wheel ~ Lean Modifier Key Credits: snatcher Description: Proof of concept for allowing the Left Alt Key to act as a lean modifier using the external app AutoHotkey. Post: Lean Modifier Key ~ Loot Stealth Stats Credits: kcghost Description: [...] overrides the loot inventory gui and associated script. I got rid of the loot breakdown (jewels, gold, etc.) as well as the loot icon that appears (didn't look right next to longer text). Instead it displays a stealth breakdown and total loot out of the mission's available loot. Suspicions, Searches, Sightings, Bodies, Score, Loot [...] Post: View Stealth Score during gameplay? ~ Stealth Statistics Tool Credits: Dragofer (and other contributors) Description: [...] you will start every FM with a scroll called "Stealth Statistics" in your inventory, which you can "read" to show a small message with current stealth statistics [...] Post: View Stealth Score during gameplay? ModDB: Dragofer's Stealth Statistic Tool

The problem is alert attribution. A mere alert state elevation, e.g., the guard seeing non-player enemy, should NOT count towards the player's Stealth Score! Don't do that! If the stealth score registration applies only to guards seeing absence markers, then I think there are good arguments on both sides whether a guard alert should register against the player. It's in a similar category as AI seeing blood, bodies, and weapons. But in this case I think it's okay to count to the stealth score because other AI can kill other AI, but other AI do not steal, so unlike the other examples, the absence marker is uniquely the player's fault in the game. So making only that count to the stealth score is fair I think. But yes, some bark or other indication would also be fair. Re: the proposal for the spawnarg for guard's noticing loot being removed, I think it should not be removed IMO because now you're directly contradiction a design decision made by an author. You can criticize the author and say that's a stupid mechanic, sure, or there are cases where there are bugs and the design intention isn't be followed that should be fixed to meet the intention, but I think intentional design decisions that work as intended should never be changed because authors should have absolute autonomy over their own design. Edit: Informing authors that that mechanic can ruin ghosting runs, which many players value, and then leaving it up to them to decide whether or not to change it for that reason, that's a valid thing to try to do IMO, as long as its the author's final decision what to do. Edit2: There is an argument there to leave it alone too. It punishes the player by putting the guard on alert to create more challenge, but it doesn't count to the stealth score so people can still do ghosting runs & be validated for them according to traditional ghosting rules, which have never counted stolen loot to a ghosting bust. So that's the argument to tolerate guards going on alert seeing stolen loot but it not counting to the stealth score. And it's a good argument IMO, since the stealth score has always been linked to people caring about ghosting attempts, or how close they can get to it, and it follows the rules better. Don't fix what isn't broken.

I played it for about 2 hours and you can certainly feel the inspiration by the old Thief games, which is also the reason they went for the pixelated look I assume. First few minutes you're immediately taught how the stealth works and certainly in the early game playing stealth is a must. Enemies hit hard and if they swarm you after being detected you're pretty much dead if you don't make a run for it. Hit and run when there a multiple enemies seems to be the best strategy in the beginning or try to sneak past them (you can use skill points to improve stealth and other skills). Exploring is rewarding as you can find hidden passages with some good loot (guns, ammunition, potions). Storywise the game is bit weak IMO and it's lacking the atmosphere (it feels barebones) that the old Thief games were able to give you despite the outdated graphics, although this last point might be due to the starting location (canyon). There's no quick save and you can only exit the game by saving, so if you screw up you have to accept the consequences. You receive a curse after dying 3 times (but there are items that can prevent or cure this). All in all I would give the game a 7/10 based on my early gameplay.

Those hand animations are very nice to see, especially the compass animation. Can you make animation for holding / showing the map, like in sea of thieves? (Also asked for in https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/21038-lets-talk-about-minimap-support/#findComment-463678

Maybe there is a sliver of hope that will change in the next 10-15 years. Tech disruptions suck for established interests, but they do have a way of making previously unprofitable products suddenly viable. The problems for an authentic Thief modernization are 3: Such a project needs high fidelity art and sound assets to secure an enthusiastic audience, but such assets are currently too expensive to produce at the optimal budget point for this property. (In fact it's too expensive for most properties, hence why AAA games are so damnably risk averse.) Generative AI stands poised to change this problem drastically, either for the better or the worse. If AI makes it trivial to churn out high quality custom assets for pennies, that would be revolutionary for the viability of niche hi-fi games. But if the AAAs use it to increase expectations again in their pointless graphics arms race that could conceivably leave us still treading water or worse off. The modern standards for rich game worlds requires an army of exploitable labor to build and populate. That again constrains the range of budgets and even the countries such a project can get built in. Procedural environment generation has the potential to solve this problem, but right now the tech is still premature. If generative AI leads to an explosion in coding productivity and creativity that would change, but that's a big if. The tech is almost certainly capable, but the will to train it could fail to materialize. Modern commercial game engines are not built to support deep stealth because of a chicken and egg problem. Anyone who wants to make a modern deep stealth game needs to sink a bunch of time into building or customizing an engine to do good stealth (with little surety of success). That again boosts the budget into a commercially non-viable range. But then because deep stealth games are not viewed as commercially viable, engines don't support it out of the box, shunting the responsibility to individual devs who will always struggle with the job far more than if the engine makers would do it. If we anticipate an explosion in general coding productivity, plus increased interest in classic immersive stealth mechanics arising from the popularity of ray tracing, maybe engine makers will start giving a damn. But I admit that one is a stretch. And, even in the best case where all these factors come together ideally, I suspect it's true that Thief is viewed as commercially toxic. The IP owners are unlikely to let it out of their dungeon unless some sort of ultra faithful indie spiritual successor makes a huge splash first.

Okidoki, I finally bit the bullet & went with a Recoil 17 from PC Specialist Specs I went for are Chassis & Display: Recoil Series: 17" Matte QHD+ 240Hz sRGB 100% LED Widescreen (2560x1600) Processor (CPU): Intel® Core™ i9 24 Core Processor 14900HX (5.8GHz Turbo) Memory (RAM): 32GB PCS PRO SODIMM DDR5 4800MHz (1 x 32GB) Graphics Card: NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 4080 - 12.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1 External DVD/BLU-RAY Drive 1TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (3500 MB/R, 3200 MB/W) Operating System: NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED The case seems to be made of metal not plastic & there's an optional water cooling unit, which I didn't get For the OS I disabled fast boot & secure boot, loaded Zorin 17.2, used the entire disk, without any installation issues Zorin is a Ubuntu fork so Ubuntu & it's other forks shouldn't have an issue if anyone else gets one of these The only minor issue is the keyboard backlight isn't recognized by default, but the forums are full of info on sorting that out, not that I'm too bothered I've installed TDM & it runs beautifully I also copied my thief 1 & 2 installations from my desktop, I had to uncomment "d3d_disp_sw_cc" in cam_ext.cfg to get the gamma processing working but they run happily too The fans switch on when booting & switch off again after a few seconds, the machine isn't stressed enough to turn them on running TDM so far - this is not a challenge btw On the whole, I'm extremely pleased So thanks for all the advice

Hello all! I'm new here and I VERY WANT to help I am ready to translate and I can put the translations into the missions. (Russian players even made it some sort of a community project, where everyone who wants to help, translates some parts of the missions. I'm currently helping them.) We want to make a complete translation of at least a few missions. (Including briefings, which sometimes coming as a *.dds files. I also can handle it) But... as always there are a few difficulties. - In Russian it is sometimes just impossible to translate things SHORT. (I suspect not only in Russian) - We can not have our own *xd's and *.dds since they are common for all localizations. I think this is the most difficult part for everyone who starts their own localization. And this is not a criticism of developers - they've made a HUGE work already, which we all are thankful for. I saw people writing that they're not playing TDM because of a lack of translation. We - and me personally - really want to help and made things proper. An there's a decision to make. So the main questions are: -is it theoretically possible to handle "num_pages" in a stand-alone file, which can be edited separately for all languages? I suspect this is a Sisyphean task, so if not, then: -can we make a stand-alone version (*.pk4-file), so it can be downloaded separately on FM's page on the TDM website (OR handle it on our own servers (both ways making it impossible to download from TDM updater - and I'm not sure that developers will agree with such a hardcore and radical decision) for localization files (not just *.lang-files)? - any other solution you can come up with. PS. can it be the main topic for Russian localization? Thank you. UPD: In case if someone's interested in our progress, you can track it down here: http://notabenoid.com/book/53218/ (website was closed for non-registered users, sorry) UPD2: The authors (of FMs) are welcomed to give us their permission on translation here: http://forums.thedarkmod.com/topic/16572-translating-missions-mission-author-consensus-request/ UPD3: Fixed Russian fonts can be found/downloaded here - and, yes, - we're working on subtitles and on translation of all audio files; UPD4: 62 missions translated and counting; Public change log; Sill missing testers, but the first reviews were quite good. At this point i'm kinda ready to admit that... UPD5: at this moment we have 76 translated missions UPD6: 90 missions translated and counting... UPD7: 99 missions translated, tested and uploaded on darkfate.org

Creating a new thread for this as it was being discussed in an old beta-testing thread starting here: https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/21822-beta-testing-high-expectations/&do=findComment&comment=490751 I suppose the main questions are: when should this spawnarg be used, if at all? why was it introduced in the first place? Can we get it documented properly on the Wiki so misuse isn't propagated? @stgatilov @Dragofer

I think we should first decide what do we want TOS for: To protect TDM from legal issues? To protect TDM team from angry mappers in case of conflicts? To guide mission authors in their work? In my opinion TOS should only cover legal issues, and wiki articles about making/releasing missions should cover author guidance. The chance of getting malware in a mission only increases after we write this publicly. Better don't even mention it, we are completely unprotected against this case. By the way, isn't it covered by "illegal" clause? I'm not sure this is worth mentioning, but I guess @demagogue knows better. By the way, which jurisdiction defines what is legal and what is not? Isn't it enough to mention that we will remove a mission from the database if legal issues are discovered? I think this is worth mentioning simply because mappers can easily do it without any malicious intent. We already had cases of problematic assets, so better include a point on license compatibility. It is a good idea to remind every mapper that this is a serious issue. I also recall some rule like "a mission of too low quality might be rejected". In my opinion, it is enough. You will never be able to pinpoint all possible cases why you might consider a mission too bad in terms of quality. And even the specifics mentioned here already raise questions. Having such a rule is already politics. I feel it does not save us from political issues but entangles us into them. If there is a mission which contains something really nasty, it will cause outrage among the community (I believe our most of active forum members are good people). If people are angry, they will tell the mission author all they think about it. And if the author won't change his mind, he will eventually leave TDM community. Then the mission can be removed from the database, perhaps with a poll about the removal. But it sounds like an exceptional case, it is hard to predict exceptional cases in advance. This is not even terms of service, but a technical detail about submissions. The mission should be accompanied by 800 x 600 screenshots. Or we can make them ourselves if you are OK with it. This is again purely technical, and I'm not even sure why it is needed. Isn't it how TDM works? If mapper does not override loading gui file, then default one is taken from core? Is it even worth mentioning? I think we should discuss mission updates by other people in general. This is worth mentioning so that mappers don't feel deceived. The generic rule is that we don't change missions without author's consent. But it is unclear how exactly we should try to reach the author if we need his consent. PM on TDM forums? Some email address? However, sometimes I do technical changes to ensure compatibility of missions with new versions of TDM. Especially since the new missions database has made it rather easy to do. Luckily, I'm not a mapper/artist, so I never fell an urge to replace model/texture or remap something. But still, it is gray zone. On the other hand, I think the truth is: we can remove a mission from database without anyone's consent. I hope it has never happened and will not happen, but I think this is the ultimate truth, and mentioning this sad fact might cover a lot of the other points automatically.