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Quick FAQ: What is this thread for ? It is for discussing the narrative elements of a fan mission you're working on, and how they tie into the gameplay and technical aspects of the mission. If you're stuck with developing the plot for your FM, or are unsure of how to continue, or have the feeling your writing is not up to snuff, you can always seek advice in this thread. Why did you start this in the Editor's Guild ? Truth be told, I was seriously considering starting this thread in the I Want to Help subforum, but then I noticed (and realised) that most of the FM development threads are in the Editor's Guild anyway. So, I decided to rather start this discussion over here, in order to avoid making it "orphaned". But I have a really minor storytelling question... Is it still okay to ask about it here ? Of course it is ! This is practically the only "official" thread on narrative design we have now, so feel free to ask about anything that's primarily related to the storytelling or characters of your FM, and so on... Do we already have any useful resources on narrative and storytelling design ? Oh, certainly. The Story and Plot Design article on our wiki, contributed by demagogue. You should definitely give it a read. Any other threads or articles you might recommend ? Sotha's Mission Design Tips article is also just as helpful as demagogue's (and quite entertaining in places). There's also the Inspiration Thread, providing mostly visual inspiration for FM building, and the Historical resources article, providing links and bibliography for topics related to period living and social history that could influence an FM's design and events. If you find any more in that vein, feel free to recommend them here, and I'll add them to an impromptu list. ---- Ladies and gentlemen, the thread is your's. ---- (Last updated: 18 April 2018) -
This pinned thread's purpose is to collect links to all the discussion threads for new features to be added in 2.12: [2.12] Multi-addons support [2.12] Auto-search bodies [2.12] Turrets Allow mantling while carrying a body New lean for 2.12 Frob to use world items [2.12] Viewpos on player HUD and screenshots English Subtitles for AI Barks Subtitle Enhancements [2.12] Improved Interaction Culling and a related bug report thread HERE As well as older feature collection threads: [2.10] Feature discussion threads [2.11] Feature discussion threads
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Is there something wrong with the forums lately, or is it my browser? I've been having trouble formatting posts, and just now I couldn't format anything at all.
I'm using Vivaldi.
Usually I have to: select text, click bold, nothing happens, select again, click bold, then it works.Â
Same for other stuff, like creating spoilers, bullet points, links. Nothing works the first time.Â
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I have no problem. I use Firefox. @Zerg Rush also uses Vivaldi. Have you tried without extensions, or in another browser?
(btw. bold, italic and underline have shortcut keys: Ctrl B, Ctrl I and Ctrl U, you could try that)
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Hope I'm not being too off-topic for this thread, but I was playing a lovely new FM and something I saw reminded me of another reason why I hate MSAA apart from bad performance: It doesn't even always do the job right, including (but not limited to) to fixing pixel-sharp patterns on textures. Zoomed in for a close look and to catch a good example, see at full res. Seems to be the bumpmap in this case. Possibly caused by the texture being so high-res it surpasses the screen resolution so there's no blurring any more? I set MSAA to 4x and it didn't affect it. Which makes sense since I'm sure it only handles geometry and has no concept of textures. It would further be great if we had an alternative form of AA, which weren't just cheaper than MSAA but also handled sharp pixels on textures including alpha edges alongside geometry edges: Right now I think we have no fix to that grain.
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This is something I wanted to try implementing myself more than an year ago, but ultimately figured it's overly advanced engine stuff for me: If no one else wants to I may still attempt it someday, in the meantime I wanted to write and ask about it at least. I don't know if this was previously discussed and I hope I'm not repeating something old: I've been seeing all the amazing changes done recently like volumetric lights... watching how far TDM has come makes me excited to see it get even further and become even more amazing. One of the last remaining renderer features I feel we're missing is the Depth Of Field effect. I do believe having this would make every environment in each FM even more incredible and realistic, while bringing TDM even closer to having top notch visuals on par with most modern engines (if we exclude PBR materials). Existing shaders and tutorials for the GLSL implementation are out there possibly even an existing idTech4 port; Initially I hoped it might be as easy as grabbing a freely licensed shader and integrating it in the engine, but usually things are always harder in reality. For starters I'm curious if others are with me in wanting this, if there are any plans for adding the feature, and if there remain any major roadblocks in the engine preventing it... engine wise I know the shader just needs access to the Z-buffer and can typically work its magic from the depth map. The best implementation I'm hoping we can get is the dynamic one, which smoothly adjusts focus based on where the player is looking (distance of the center pixel in the middle of the screen). By default the effect definitely shouldn't be excessive, only blurring distant or near things very slightly unless you're looking at a surface right in front of you. I don't believe it needs to be enabled by default as long as it's in the menu, like the sharpness filter it shouldn't bother anyone who doesn't want it and make things look beautiful for those that do.
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Should first mention this isn't a request as the change is something I should be fully capable of doing on my own: The engine fully supports it and I already used this setup when I imported a bunch of custom models, it just needs to be done for the vanilla ones... something similar was recently implemented to allow torches to have colored flames, this is kinda the same thing but for characters instead. I wanted a discussion thread first so I know if other mappers and players want this and will use it, also if the devs would accept it if I was to do the work. TDM allows all model entities to contain a grayscale texture which can be set to any color via the "_color" spawnarg of the entity. The only requirement is having the appropriate textures then simply adding your paint image to the material with the "colored" keyword: // Shirt { blend diffusemap map models/md5/chars/guard/body_shirt colored } I'd like some of the AI characters to support this for setting custom colors on clothes. Imagine you make a city where you want the city watch to be red instead of the default blue as it would fit your theme better, you'd just set "_color 0.5 0 0" on your guard and you have them representing your faction of choice! It would be just as useful on civilians to easily obtain more unique characters without needing extra assets for each... what if you want the nobleman with the green tunic to have a purple tunic, or the noblewoman with the blue dress to have a red dress? Obviously this requires editing the character textures... I've done this sort of thing many times in Gimp fortunately, might even be able to generate them with a bash script using ImageMagick; The color just needs to be extracted from the base diffuse texture, desaturated, then put in a separate image as an intensity map. By saving it as grayscale with no alpha channel it should take up little extra space, granted the engine doesn't have issues with grayscale tga / dds compressed images (all specular maps should also be using that). Obviously each affected character would have a default "_color" spawnarg matching the default color so existing FM's won't see any changes. There's only one issue here: Due to the colorization technique being different, there's likely no way it can be made to look the exact same way... the clothes may appear just a little more or less bright or saturated, not by a lot just that it likely won't be perfectly the same. Is that considered too breaking to be accepted, or are there other reasons why anyone believes I shouldn't spend time on this? -
Don't you hate it when there's a quality discussion on a forum somewhere online about something, but then two disagreeing users derail and transform it into a back-and-forth poo slinging competition at one another?
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'cause there's no hot headed members.
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Create a new thread called "Linux vs Windows."
There, now you've got the means of bringing out the hot-headed members.
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This pinned thread's purpose is to collect links to all the discussion threads for new features to be added in 2.11. [2.11] GUI warnings and changes [2.11] Large static meshes no longer considered dangerous for performance [2.11] Frobstages: automatic generation and customization [2.11] OBJ model format [2.11] New Blackjack System (available via dev build) [2.11] Stencil shadows optimizations As well as older feature collection threads: [2.10] Feature discussion threads
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This pinned thread's purpose is to collect links to all the discussion threads for new features in 2.10 so that they no longer all need to be pinned. [2.10] Beta testing new main menu GUI [2.10] Volumetric lights [2.10] X-Rays [2.10] Dmap locations diagnostics [2.10] Dmap optimizations [2.10] Entity limit removed [2.10] Subtitles TDM security cameras
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Since Aluminum directed me here (Â https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/9082-newbie-darkradiant-questions/page/437/#comment-475263 ) can we have unlimited renderer effects? Well, maybe not unlimited, by maybe 3-5? Thanks.
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Since I wasn't the one mainly asking, I'll just cite you in the original thread instead.
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There already is a kind of sorting, sort nearest, sort decal, sort <n>. For things like windows and such, sort nearest should probably have the desirable affect, though looking through multiple translucent shaders might kill performance.
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Is having multiple render effects really killing performance that badly? I don't understand. You're saying that if I have two transparent objects side-by-side, then they'll just count as two render effects, but when combined, they somehow become something much more difficult to render?
Never-the-less, unless we're talking some kind of infinite portal problem, why not let the mapper choose how much he wants to kill performance? Just warn him against putting too many effects close together.
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On the wiki, I'm working on a set of pages with the title-preface and broad theme "The Parts and Whole". This looks at the hows and whys of map objects being formed into collections. The hub of this is The Parts and Whole: Overview Within the hub, so far, the section "Techniques that Affect DR Only" is built out with comparison tables and child pages. This covers these techniques: Hide/Show, Region, Layer, Filter, Group, Selection Set. I'd appreciate any eyeballs on the work so far. Please suggest or edit-in improvements. In particular, are there links to videos or other wiki or forum pages that you think most apt and should be added, e.g., to the "See Also" section? "The Parts and Whole" effort is mostly intended for newbies and so is not afraid to state the obvious at times. In some cases, it covers ground also handled by the necessarily-concise DarkRadiant User Guide, but with more depth and context. In other cases, the info was only found buried in forums. Because I'm trying to cover a fair amount of ground, the pages are text-only. Some of the child pages could benefit from screenshots some day.
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Woo!! 2.10 Beta "Release Candidate" ( 210-07 ) is out:
https://forums.thedarkmod.com/index.php?/topic/21198-beta-testing-210/
It wont be long now
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I don't think there's a link to thedarkmod.com on forums.thedarkmod.com ...
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Yeah and the wiki and moddb. It should have those links in the footer I think. Probably easy to add by an admin.
Edit: And a link to the bugtracker. I'm always searching for a post in the forum that links to that because I can't remember the url.
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I drew attention to this several times in the last few years. No one payed it any attention, so I just gave up.
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Reluctance to improve the forums is matched by reluctance to allow more people to work on it. Talk about trust and power.
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So... that happened.
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While the pre-release testing of the upcoming DR 2.11 is finishing, I'd like to discuss a possible Material Editor feature. Just to get a picture of whether you guys think this is worth the effort, what it should be able to do at a bare minimum, what the UI could look like, etc. I know this request has been brought forward at least twice in the past, so maybe this feature is worth pursuing.
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This is something I had in mind a while back. To me, both names and usage of those tabs is kind of overlapping and confusing, especially to newcomers. First off, the naming convention. Media tab lists all available material shaders (and not any other media, like sound shaders), while Textures tab is a list of material shaders currently used in the map. Not only the tab names are technically wrong, but also the functionalities could be merged into one tab, I think. If you ever worked in other engines, a typical content/material browser does load all materials used in current map, but it also has a folder structure list on the left hand side (this would be the equivalent of Media tab). Double clicking a package name loads the material and displays its preview tile in the pane on the right hand side. To achieve similar functionality, I imagine the Media and Textures tabs would have to be merged into one Materials tab. I only have doubts about having it as a embedded window in Regular or Regular Left window layout (i.e. under the perspective view and sharing its width lock with it). Having it as separate floating window, as with other inspectors, would probably work better. In general, this should speed up mappers work and make the use of materials more intuitive (I hope). Your thoughts? @greebo, @OrbWeaver are there technical blockers in terms of DR coding? Edit, a mock up:
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Hey, I saw discussion about the magic dude and how you had to take his magic bracelet before you can hurt him. Well, he was sitting on a chair in the kitchen and I sneaked up to him and knoked him out .. then I took his magic bracelet. I had to hit him twice because first hit he stood up, but the second hit, imedeatly after that, just knockt him out ...
Also I saw that at some areas in the water works the water reflects the skybox: screenshot
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ohhh, I believe there is a visportal right there if I remember correctly. I wonder if that has anything to do with it.... hmmm. Well, I never expected this mission to be bug free, haha. I'll look into it as well as a few other issues and release an updated version soon(ish)
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Indeed, for a future update maybe. It doesn't affect the gameplay really : )
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Thanks for pointing it out though, I'll take a look at it soon. hopefully it'll be a simple fix
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Not so long ago I found what could make a pretty good profile picture and decided to try it out on these new forums. But I couldn't find a button anywhere that would let me change it. I asked on Discord and it seems Spooks also couldn't find anything anywhere. So I logged into an old alternative account and, lo and behold, that account has a button. This is on the first screen I get when I: 1) click on my account name in the top-right of the browser -> 2) click on 'profile'. Compared to my actual account: Are you also missing this button on your account? It'd be very much appreciated if that functionality could be restored to any of the affected accounts.
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Hi, I need to know what the code is to use Spoiler Tags. I am using my tablet and I don't have the options to use anything, like spoiler tags, quote tags, text changes etc. Thanks
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Still spreading the word about TDM on forums to new peops... Funny to see people say "Awesome, I loved playing Thief back in the day!"
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Yes it was in a discussion where someone was saying how unhappy they are with the way game companies grant themselves permission to do whatever they like to your PC and personal info today. I pointed out that giving up games completely is an unnecessarily overkill solution when there are free games like TDM to play.
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Honestly the mod/Indie genre is still really booming right now. And they aint got no reason to do shady invasive privacy bs.
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What Epifire said. :-)
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How old is everyone? Go vote in the Poll: http://forums.thedarkmod.com/topic/19946-how-old-are-you-anonymous-poll/
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I have previously posted about automation efforts in this thread about watching over asset files. I decided to create a more generic thread for whatever discussions related to automation. The most recent version of automation library and scripts (by the time this topic was created) can be downloaded from this link. More information can be found in readme.md. It should run properly against any beta version of TDM 2.07. Some new Python 3 is required to run automation stuff. I'm afraid that decent skills in Python are needed if you want to do anything advanced with it. If you have some tedious work that you regularly do with TDM, and feel that it can be automated, post ideas here. UPDATE: Current version (2019.02.22) is available here. It should run properly against TDM 2.07.
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http://forums.thedarkmod.com/topic/19886-fm-marsh-of-rahena-beta-testing Anyone want to betatest a horror fm?
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Will do tomorrow.
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http://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=4688 I have a concern about EFX. There seems to be general agreement that EFX is currently affecting sounds that it shouldn't affect, like gui sounds. But we've had no discussions about what the full list of unaffected sounds will be, or how mappers will specify this. For example, what about ambient sounds? Clearly we don't want it to affect ambient music, but what about ambient noises? Many of these, like the random sewer sounds of rats, already have strong reverb baked in and might sound too distorted if affected by EFX. But not all do. How does a mapper have EFX affect some ambient sounds but not others? My concern is that if we don't establish some rules now, then we'll be in a situation for the next update where we're locked into not doing things that will break new maps, or mappers will have their carefully-planned sounds changed by the new rules.
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