snatcher Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 Does this look like sorted? Does a true A-Z sorting look that bad? Technical: to get these examples I just commented out most of the stuff in MoveArticlesToBack() in file \framework\I18N.cpp 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesp5 Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 I completely agree and I think I asked multiple times for this! As far as I know the mission web site does sort it thus too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxa Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 It could change titles to "Elixir, The" or gray out the "The". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post snatcher Posted October 2, 2023 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, jaxa said: It could change titles to "Elixir, The" [...] That's how it was in the past, apparently. What do you (all) think? Technical: I restored the commented out section in UpdateGUI() in file \game\ModMenu.cpp Edited October 2, 2023 by snatcher Added technical details 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebigh Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 It's useful to not sort them by "A" or "The" because there's always going to be people who can't quite remember if the mission is called "The Threepenny Revue" or just "Threepenny Revue". I definitely prefer the third version. Quote My missions: Stand-alone Duncan Lynch series Down and Out on Newford Road the Factory Heist A House Call The House of deLisle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbohr1more Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 Oh no, we are gonna get stuck in a time loop! Yes, I believe that true alphabetical sorting was the original design. Some players complained that there were too many missions starting with "The" or "A" so finding the desired mission was tedious. The titles were changed to "Mission, The" or "Mission, A" and that worked but was clunky. Finally the design compromise was to sort them without the A or The prefix but display them naturally. I agree that true alpha sorting looks more tidy and am not sure why anyone entertained the "complaint" in the first place. 2 Quote Please visit TDM's IndieDB site and help promote the mod: http://www.indiedb.com/mods/the-dark-mod (Yeah, shameless promotion... but traffic is traffic folks...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesp5 Posted October 3, 2023 Report Share Posted October 3, 2023 9 hours ago, thebigh said: It's useful to not sort them by "A" or "The" because there's always going to be people who can't quite remember if the mission is called "The Threepenny Revue" or just "Threepenny Revue". I definitely prefer the third version. In that case it would be very easy to check all "A" and "The" missions for the one you are looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffingtaffer Posted October 3, 2023 Report Share Posted October 3, 2023 It always baffled me why the current sorting seemed like a good idea and has remained like this for so long. I agree on putting "The" and "A" to the end of the names, that's how Angel Loader does it. If I could only ask for something it would be an option to sort by Newest/Oldest missions. I prefer to start from the oldies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebigh Posted October 3, 2023 Report Share Posted October 3, 2023 Oh hey, TaffingTaffer. You got your account working. Nice! As an alternative you could sort by release date on the official website. Not as elegant, but it should get the job done. Quote My missions: Stand-alone Duncan Lynch series Down and Out on Newford Road the Factory Heist A House Call The House of deLisle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffingtaffer Posted October 3, 2023 Report Share Posted October 3, 2023 34 minutes ago, thebigh said: Oh hey, TaffingTaffer. You got your account working. Nice! As an alternative you could sort by release date on the official website. Not as elegant, but it should get the job done. Yeah, I already do that. It isn't clear if some series actually released out of order plot-wise or the re-releases pushed the dates forward, though. ie. Thief's Den 1 especifically states that it was re-released, but the oldest Thomas Porter is TP 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesp5 Posted October 3, 2023 Report Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, thebigh said: As an alternative you could sort by release date on the official website. You can also search for a mission there. Only they are sorted with "A" and "The" in front, so the game should do it too! Edited October 3, 2023 by wesp5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbohr1more Posted October 3, 2023 Report Share Posted October 3, 2023 36 minutes ago, Taffingtaffer said: Yeah, I already do that. It isn't clear if some series actually released out of order plot-wise or the re-releases pushed the dates forward, though. ie. Thief's Den 1 especifically states that it was re-released, but the oldest Thomas Porter is TP 2. Try the wiki: https://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=Fan_Missions_for_The_Dark_Mod Multiple sorting options. 2 Quote Please visit TDM's IndieDB site and help promote the mod: http://www.indiedb.com/mods/the-dark-mod (Yeah, shameless promotion... but traffic is traffic folks...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datiswous Posted October 3, 2023 Report Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, snatcher said: Does a true A-Z sorting look that bad? This indeed looks like the best sorting and it's the kind of sorting that I use everywhere. The and A is part of the title, ignoring them, or putting them at the end makes no sense. Btw. on the mission downloader page the sorting is based on last mission released, which you can change, but the change is not saved. It's not consistant with the ordering in the mission list. Edited October 3, 2023 by datiswous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AluminumHaste Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 On 10/2/2023 at 7:29 PM, nbohr1more said: Oh no, we are gonna get stuck in a time loop! Yes, I believe that true alphabetical sorting was the original design. Some players complained that there were too many missions starting with "The" or "A" so finding the desired mission was tedious. The titles were changed to "Mission, The" or "Mission, A" and that worked but was clunky. Finally the design compromise was to sort them without the A or The prefix but display them naturally. I agree that true alpha sorting looks more tidy and am not sure why anyone entertained the "complaint" in the first place. I swear it's my fault, I remember bringing it up years ago. Quote I always assumed I'd taste like boot leather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AluminumHaste Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 Also, there are good reasons that things aren't sorted by "A", "An" and "The". Quote This is also done for the the words "A" and "An". The reason we ignore these words isn't because the section would be so big, but because so many titles start with those words you're almost always going to be looking for the second word anyway. Quote You're basically just creating a second alphabetical list within an alphabetical list Things like that. Right now it's not a huge deal because we don't have that many missions. So maybe it's a non issue as we'll never have that many Quote I always assumed I'd taste like boot leather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datiswous Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, AluminumHaste said: Things like that. Right now it's not a huge deal because we don't have that many missions. So maybe it's a non issue as we'll never have that many Yeah we can always change it when it becomes a real issue, instead of this forward planning. Or have it included as an option like in the mission downloader (assuming it works similar). Edited October 4, 2023 by datiswous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skaruts Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) I actually prefer missions sorted by "A" and "The", tbh. Would it be possible to add a custom search filter, where the user can type something in a text box, and the list is filtered by that? That would help finding missions quicker, either way. Also, I wish I could sort the already-downloaded missions list as well. Edited October 5, 2023 by Skaruts 1 Quote My FMs: By The Cookbook My tools: TDM Packer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffernicus Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Skaruts said: I actually prefer missions sorted by "A" and "The", tbh. Would it be possible to add a custom search filter, where the user can type something in a text box, and the list is filtered by that? That would help finding missions quicker, either way. Also, I wish I could sort the already-downloaded missions list as well. I was just thinking about the search box yesterday. It would be handy if the search results, particularly with similar titles , could be highlighted Quote -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesp5 Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 I found a trick to sort the missions with "A" and "The" included and will probably update my patch to do so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datiswous Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 8 hours ago, Skaruts said: Would it be possible to add a custom search filter, where the user can type something in a text box, and the list is filtered by that? That would help finding missions quicker, either way. I don't think gui's have that option. Although, maybe I'm wrong, because there is an input field possible via Editdef. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datiswous Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 It would at least be nice to have a cvar to turn on normal ordering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snatcher Posted October 5, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 Is anyone in here in favor of the current sorting (very first screenshot in this topic) over other options? Please speak up. By going current, missions are kind of sorted and mission names are respected. By going true alphabetical, missions are sorted and mission names are respected. By going article last, missions are kind of sorted and mission names are not respected. Please comment if you disagree or have something to add to my three points above. If I were to decide I would personally find defending the second option the easiest: how would you like Windows to sort your files and folders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesp5 Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 For anybody who wants to test this in game, just install my latest patch to have a look! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datiswous Posted October 6, 2023 Report Share Posted October 6, 2023 14 hours ago, snatcher said: Is anyone in here in favor of the current sorting (very first screenshot in this topic) over other options? Please speak up. By going current, missions are kind of sorted and mission names are respected. By going true alphabetical, missions are sorted and mission names are respected. By going article last, missions are kind of sorted and mission names are not respected. Please comment if you disagree or have something to add to my three points above. Why not create a poll? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerg Rush Posted October 6, 2023 Report Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) I think that a good way is to sort it by download order, the most recent missions are not always downloaded first, that the new added missions are on the top of the list. I sometimes, after downloading/updating a Mission, it is somewhat annoying to scroll through the Missions list to find it. Adding these as the first in the list is maybe a better solution than by release date. This also avoids having to use unnecessary sorting algorithms. Edited October 6, 2023 by Zerg Rush Quote Sys Specs Laptop Lenovo V145 15AST, AMD A9- 9425 Radeon R5 - 5 cores 3,1 GHz RAM 8Gb, GPU 1+2 Gb -Win10 64 v21H2 Favorite online apps you may like too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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