Hey guys, I've been trying to solve this problem on my own forever now, and I realize that google isn't getting me anywhere. Ok, so I installed doom 3, play it while TDM downloads, and then install the dark mod, and then I get a runtime error on startup for TDM. I google, and I realized I need to be patched, so I download that latest patch, then the updater tells me that it doesn't know which version of Doom 3 i have, but somehow I can still choose a filepath for the updater, so I choose it, update it, and then doom 3 starts up after the updater closes. That's when It crashes, and I get some console looking window with a blue background, this is what it says: DOOM 1.3.1302 win-x86 May 12 2005 10:40:52 1800 MHz Intel CPU with MMX & SSE & SSE2 & SSE3 & HTT 1920 MB System Memory 128 MB Video Memory Winsock Initialized Found interface: {1E31F43E-FC1A-4680-B461-C7D78ACE1BFE} NVIDIA nForce 10/100 Mbps Ethernet - 72.203.167.224/255.255.252.0 Sys_InitNetworking: adding loopback interface doom using MMX & SSE & SSE2 & SSE3 for SIMD processing enabled Flush-To-Zero mode enabled Denormals-Are-Zero mode ------ Initializing File System ------ Loaded pk4 C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\game00.pk4 with checksum 0x29cdb978 Loaded pk4 C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\game01.pk4 with checksum 0x51c6981f Loaded pk4 C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\game02.pk4 with checksum 0xf3ec6f7 Loaded pk4 C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\game03.pk4 with checksum 0x5d4230ea Loaded pk4 C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\pak000.pk4 with checksum 0x28d208f1 Loaded pk4 C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\pak001.pk4 with checksum 0x40244be0 Loaded pk4 C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\pak002.pk4 with checksum 0xc51ecdcd Loaded pk4 C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\pak003.pk4 with checksum 0xcd79d028 Loaded pk4 C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\pak004.pk4 with checksum 0x765e4f8b Loaded pk4 C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\pak005.pk4 with checksum 0x8ffc3621 Loaded pk4 C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\pak006.pk4 with checksum 0x95b65ab Loaded pk4 C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\pak007.pk4 with checksum 0x666bdb3c Loaded pk4 C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\pak008.pk4 with checksum 0x23ae5993 Current search path: C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3/base C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\pak008.pk4 (3 files) C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\pak007.pk4 (38 files) C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\pak006.pk4 (48 files) C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\pak005.pk4 (63 files) C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\pak004.pk4 (5137 files) C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\pak003.pk4 (4676 files) C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\pak002.pk4 (6120 files) C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\pak001.pk4 (8972 files) C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\pak000.pk4 (2698 files) C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\game03.pk4 (2 files) C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\game02.pk4 (2 files) C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\game01.pk4 (2 files) C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\game00.pk4 (2 files) game DLL: 0x0 in pak: 0x0 Addon pk4s: file system initialized. -------------------------------------- ----- Initializing Decls ----- ------------------------------ ------- Initializing renderSystem -------- using ARB renderSystem renderSystem initialized. -------------------------------------- 5206 strings read from strings/english.lang Couldn't open journal files execing editor.cfg execing default.cfg execing DoomConfig.cfg couldn't exec autoexec.cfg 5206 strings read from strings/english.lang ----- Initializing Sound System ------ sound system initialized. -------------------------------------- ----- R_InitOpenGL ----- Initializing OpenGL subsystem ...registered window class ...registered fake window class ...initializing QGL ...calling LoadLibrary( 'opengl32' ): succeeded ...calling CDS: ok ...created window @ 0,0 (800x600) Initializing OpenGL driver ...getting DC: succeeded ...creating GL context: succeeded ...making context current: succeeded ------- Input Initialization ------- Initializing DirectInput... mouse: DirectInput initialized. keyboard: DirectInput initialized. ------------------------------------ sound: STEREO ...using GL_ARB_multitexture ...using GL_ARB_texture_env_combine ...using GL_ARB_texture_cube_map ...using GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 ...using GL_ARB_texture_env_add ...using GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two ...using GL_ARB_texture_compression ...using GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc ...using GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic maxTextureAnisotropy: 16.000000 ...using GL_1.4_texture_lod_bias X..GL_EXT_shared_texture_palette not found ...using GL_EXT_texture3D ...using GL_EXT_stencil_wrap ...using GL_NV_register_combiners ...using GL_EXT_stencil_two_side X..GL_ATI_fragment_shader not found X..GL_ATI_text_fragment_shader not found ...using GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object ...using GL_ARB_vertex_program ...using GL_ARB_fragment_program ...using EXT_depth_bounds_test ---------- R_NV20_Init ---------- --------------------------------- ----------- R200_Init ----------- Not available. ---------- R_ARB2_Init ---------- Available. --------------------------------- ----- R_ReloadARBPrograms ----- glprogs/test.vfp glprogs/test.vfp glprogs/interaction.vfp glprogs/interaction.vfp glprogs/bumpyEnvironment.vfp glprogs/bumpyEnvironment.vfp glprogs/ambientLight.vfp glprogs/ambientLight.vfp glprogs/shadow.vp glprogs/R200_interaction.vp glprogs/nv20_bumpAndLight.vp glprogs/nv20_diffuseColor.vp glprogs/nv20_specularColor.vp glprogs/nv20_diffuseAndSpecularColor.vp glprogs/environment.vfp glprogs/environment.vfp glprogs/arbVP_glasswarp.txt: File not found glprogs/arbFP_glasswarp.txt: File not found ------------------------------- using ARB_vertex_buffer_object memory using ARB2 renderSystem found DLL in pak file: C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\game03.pk4/gamex86.dll copy gamex86.dll to C:\Users\Claude\Downloads\ [PC Game] DOOM 3 (Extract and Play)\Doom 3\base\gamex86.dll 3 22 800 600 Regenerated world, staticAllocCount = 0. Shutting down sound hardware idRenderSystem::Shutdown() Shutting down OpenGL subsystem ...wglMakeCurrent( NULL, NULL ): success ...deleting GL context: success ...releasing DC: success ...destroying window ...shutting down QGL ...unloading OpenGL DLL wrong game DLL API version So I google some more, and one way or another I read I need a no cd-patch. so i download it, and install it, nothing changes.. So now I do a fresh install of everything, and I even change file paths, like that would matter. And I mess around a while and mess with different fixes, and nothing changes. So I visit the forums, check out the FAQ, and I read where I need to have version 1.3.1.1304. So I make a fresh install of Doom 3 again, and I check out the version number in-game (Doom 3 works until I patch it) and it is 1.3.1.1302. So before I patch it, I try a fresh install of TDM AGAIN. and now it runs vanilla Doom 3. like the application was just doom 3 with a different icon and filename. I patch the game. and now I get the same exact console thing again.. the Wrong game DLL API Version one. So I guess my main question here is, what do I do to get this game to patch? pre-patch : Doom 3 runs fine, TDM gets a runtime error Post-patch : Doom 3 crashes and I get an error log or something, and TDM starts up Doom 3, which crashes as well. It loads up fine, and right when the initial loading is done (right before the main menu) bam. crash. I hate to have my first post be a problem, but I don't know where else to go. I appreciate the help guys.