Daft Mugi Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 Allowing mantle while carrying a body was originally proposed by Bikerdude one year ago (January 2022). https://bugs.thedarkmod.com/view.php?id=5892 I agreed with him, since that is how Thief 1 & 2 work. I've submitted patches, and due to feedback, I've submitted three patches each with a different behavior, starting in August 2022 (5892) : (Patch v1) Always enable mantling while carrying a body. (Patch v2) Only enable mantling while carrying a body if "pm_mantle_while_shouldering" cvar is set. This is already available in 2.11 beta 7. (Patch v3) Restrict mantling at the waist. There is no agreement about how this should work yet. I've spent over 12 hours of work and testing on (v3) so far, so it would be incredibly discouraging if a final decision is not made between versions (v1), (v2), or (v3) for 2.11. Personally, I think patch (v1) always enable mantling while carry a body is best. This matches Thief 1 & 2 and does not require a cvar. If (v3) is chosen, the rules need to be decided. Could you all please answer the following questions? (Please copy and paste the questions below when answering.) Do we really need to restrict mantling while shouldering at all? Is there a mission with a mantle trap? If so, which mission? If we restrict the player while shouldering, what should the rules be? While shouldering, what's the tallest object that can be mantled? While shouldering, should there be different object height requirements between crouched and standing? While shouldering, can the player mantle during a fall or jump across to another ledge? While shouldering, what mantle types are allowed out of: push, pushNonCrouch, pull, pullFast, hang? (Are there other rules to consider?) Resolved Patch v3 is included in 2.12 dev builds, starting with dev16778-10275, which is open to feedback during the dev release cycle. pm_mantle_while_shouldering cvar. pm_mantle_while_shouldering, default: 1 Which restriction for mantle while shouldering? 0 --- no mantling while shouldering a body (TDM original) 1 --- restricted mantling while shouldering a body 2 --- unrestricted mantling while shouldering a body (Cheat Mode) pm_mantle_maxShoulderingObstacleHeight cvar. pm_mantle_maxShoulderingObstacleHeight, default: 41 The maximum height of obstacles allowed for a shouldering body mantle Note that mantling above eye level is disabled regardless of this value 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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