Anderson 271 Report post Posted February 18, 2017 I want to share my DxDiag for the laptop I find myself using more often. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B82Nuxua9A8Dd216bmVPeDhUYkk/view?usp=sharing Performance in TDM, even after 2.05 is pretty crap. I was thinking to remove any FPS cap to help it. Real problems surface with particles and things like that.What was the catch with the perforamance boosters planned for 2.05? How many people feel it had a significant outcome for them?The wiki has helpful customization to manually do the sunrise and get the settings down for low performance PC's, but I wonder if I'm missing something.Games such as Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines ran quite decently and this isn't a PC that old, especially Doom 3 engine wise.Not expecting amazing horsepower, but still, 10 FPS at any scene with particles? Quote "I really perceive that vanity about which most men merely prate — the vanity of the human or temporal life. I live continually in a reverie of the future. I have no faith in human perfectibility. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active — not more happy — nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. The result will never vary — and to suppose that it will, is to suppose that the foregone man has lived in vain — that the foregone time is but the rudiment of the future — that the myriads who have perished have not been upon equal footing with ourselves — nor are we with our posterity. I cannot agree to lose sight of man the individual, in man the mass."... - 2 July 1844 letter to James Russell Lowell from Edgar Allan Poe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bikerdude 3737 Report post Posted February 18, 2017 Is the above running under 2.05..? and which "Intel HD" chip is it, the HD 3000...? if so you gonna have a hard time running most games under that GPu. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anderson 271 Report post Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) Is the above running under 2.05..? and which "Intel HD" chip is it, the HD 3000...? if so you gonna have a hard time running most games under that GPu.Yes, just updated to 2.05. It says on the ticket "Intel Dual Core B830 1.8 Ghz.It's an "X301A Asus". I presume the only solution than is to find time to manually configure and remove particles. Are there any plans to make extreme low settings like these available in the game settings? For low perf. PC's they look quite limited (at least if making the game available to those PC's is in plans at all). Edited February 18, 2017 by Anderson Quote "I really perceive that vanity about which most men merely prate — the vanity of the human or temporal life. I live continually in a reverie of the future. I have no faith in human perfectibility. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active — not more happy — nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. The result will never vary — and to suppose that it will, is to suppose that the foregone man has lived in vain — that the foregone time is but the rudiment of the future — that the myriads who have perished have not been upon equal footing with ourselves — nor are we with our posterity. I cannot agree to lose sight of man the individual, in man the mass."... - 2 July 1844 letter to James Russell Lowell from Edgar Allan Poe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bikerdude 3737 Report post Posted February 18, 2017 The above cpu appears to have a base spec GPU. - -https://ark.intel.com/products/71141/Intel-Celeron-Processor-B830-2M-Cache-1_80-GHz drop Nbohr1more a PM, he might have some things you do to reduce the perf hit on your system Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duzenko 570 Report post Posted February 19, 2017 Yes, just updated to 2.05. It says on the ticket "Intel Dual Core B830 1.8 Ghz.It's an "X301A Asus". I presume the only solution than is to find time to manually configure and remove particles. Are there any plans to make extreme low settings like these available in the game settings? For low perf. PC's they look quite limited (at least if making the game available to those PC's is in plans at all).Tryr_usefbo 1r_fboColorBits 15r_fboSharedColor 1r_fboSharedDepth 1But may I suggest to please create a separate topic for further discussion? 1 Quote Amnesty for Bikerdude! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nbohr1more 1892 Report post Posted February 19, 2017 1.8ghz is going to struggle with vanilla Doom 3. The Dark Mod is heavier still. That said, I would like to check your Darkmod.cfg, so please post it with a txt extension. Quote Please visit TDM's IndieDB site and help promote the mod: http://www.indiedb.com/mods/the-dark-mod (Yeah, shameless promotion... but traffic is traffic folks...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anderson 271 Report post Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) But may I suggest to please create a separate topic for further discussion? Do you mean in regards to more fixes for low perf. PC's? I haven't changed anything yet. I will start to check out duzenko's advice further next week:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B82Nuxua9A8DLVIxMVFqdDFMQWc/view?usp=sharing Edited February 19, 2017 by Anderson Quote "I really perceive that vanity about which most men merely prate — the vanity of the human or temporal life. I live continually in a reverie of the future. I have no faith in human perfectibility. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active — not more happy — nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. The result will never vary — and to suppose that it will, is to suppose that the foregone man has lived in vain — that the foregone time is but the rudiment of the future — that the myriads who have perished have not been upon equal footing with ourselves — nor are we with our posterity. I cannot agree to lose sight of man the individual, in man the mass."... - 2 July 1844 letter to James Russell Lowell from Edgar Allan Poe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duzenko 570 Report post Posted February 19, 2017 Do you mean in regards to more fixes for low perf. PC's?Exactly.I am myself stuck with a mobile Intel 15W chip.It's not as bad as the 4W chip I had before but still not enough for 30fps at 1080p.Mine is a 14nm chip, while yours is 32nm, so it is probably as slow for you at 768p.The fbo thing I've been sporadically working on recently is designed specifically for low end systems like mine.I've been thinking about an option to skip particles at all for a long time now, but my knowledge of engine and especially of mapping concepts is very limited. Quote Amnesty for Bikerdude! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anderson 271 Report post Posted February 19, 2017 Exactly.I am myself stuck with a mobile Intel 15W chip.It's not as bad as the 4W chip I had before but still not enough for 30fps at 1080p.Mine is a 14nm chip, while yours is 32nm, so it is probably as slow for you at 768p.The fbo thing I've been sporadically working on recently is designed specifically for low end systems like mine.I've been thinking about an option to skip particles at all for a long time now, but my knowledge of engine and especially of mapping concepts is very limited.As far as I saw, particles were introduced in 2.03. More info here: http://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=ParticlesWhat we don't know is how high up in the priority list such changes for option customizations are for the team. We saw how slow, unpredictable and difficult any ETA is for releasing future patches in reasonably defined timelines can prove to be. Quote "I really perceive that vanity about which most men merely prate — the vanity of the human or temporal life. I live continually in a reverie of the future. I have no faith in human perfectibility. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active — not more happy — nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. The result will never vary — and to suppose that it will, is to suppose that the foregone man has lived in vain — that the foregone time is but the rudiment of the future — that the myriads who have perished have not been upon equal footing with ourselves — nor are we with our posterity. I cannot agree to lose sight of man the individual, in man the mass."... - 2 July 1844 letter to James Russell Lowell from Edgar Allan Poe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bikerdude 3737 Report post Posted February 19, 2017 Moved last few posts as Duzeko's request - - http://forums.thedarkmod.com/topic/18670-duzekos-perf-twek-thread-for-low-end-pcs/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nbohr1more 1892 Report post Posted June 10, 2018 For historical purposes, these cvar changes cause problems with 2.06 seta cm_backFaceCull "1" seta image_useNormalCompression "0" seta s_force22kHz "1" Please do not use these changes. 2 Quote Please visit TDM's IndieDB site and help promote the mod: http://www.indiedb.com/mods/the-dark-mod (Yeah, shameless promotion... but traffic is traffic folks...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter_spy 1378 Report post Posted August 8, 2018 I think I have some good news in terms of CPU scaling. Until recently, I had an old 1st gen i7 950@3.02 GHz, paired up with 16 gigs of RAM @ 1000 MHz, with GTX 1060 in 1440p native resolution. Any mission having more than 3500 drawcalls per scene made the framerate go down below 60 fps. Other factors scaled up pretty well, perhaps due to relatively new GPU (300k of shadow tris seemed impressive, where the recommended value is 80-100k). A few days ago I built new Coffee Lake-based rig, with i7 8700 CPU @ 3.2-4.6 GHz (Auto preset), 32 gigs of 3000 MHz RAM and the same GPU as above. Results have improved a lot, and demanding scenes from FMs like Briarwood Manor or Northdale Act I run in 60 FPS now: 1 Quote Builder Compound Asset Pack – models and textures for TDM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter_spy 1378 Report post Posted August 8, 2018 By the way, this section http://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=Performance_Tweaks#.28Nvidia.29_Disable_Threaded_Optimizations seems plain wrong for my new configuration, for both TDM 2.05 and 2.06. When I disable threaded optimization, the framerate in Briarwood Manor tanks to 25 FPS again. 1 Quote Builder Compound Asset Pack – models and textures for TDM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nbohr1more 1892 Report post Posted August 8, 2018 Added a footnote about that. Are these with uncapped FPS and multi-core enabled? Quote Please visit TDM's IndieDB site and help promote the mod: http://www.indiedb.com/mods/the-dark-mod (Yeah, shameless promotion... but traffic is traffic folks...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter_spy 1378 Report post Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) Yup, I used com_fixedTic for TDM 2.05 as well. IMO it would be great to ask other forum members with Nvidia cards to toggle between Auto and Off for Threaded optimization, and to note their results (using com_showFPS or other frame rate meter). By the way, it seems that newer Nvidia drivers (my version is 398.36) don't have Multi-display/Mixed GPU acceleration option available any longer. Edited August 8, 2018 by Judith 1 Quote Builder Compound Asset Pack – models and textures for TDM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabalistic 406 Report post Posted August 8, 2018 If you enable multi-core support in 2.06, then TDM uses two threads which both have their own OpenGL context and talk to the driver. It's little wonder that disabling threaded optimizations would be hurtful in that scenario.Might be more interesting to try that with one of the experimental 2.07 builds, though. Those have eliminated the secondary context, so they might behave differently. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter_spy 1378 Report post Posted August 8, 2018 IMO the weirdest thing is that it actually impacts performance on 2.05, which uses only one core. That would mean changing the option messes up the cpu>gpu pipeline somehow. 1 Quote Builder Compound Asset Pack – models and textures for TDM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nbohr1more 1892 Report post Posted August 8, 2018 Threaded Optimization takes the GL calls by the engine and attempts to rearrange them to be submit in parallel. Engines that are explicitly coded to render in parallel typically see less benefit than engines which are single coreor do not take advantage of parallel rendering very well. Nvidia does all sorts of magic in their drivers in this regard. For example, we did an experiment where all materials of the same type were batched prior to submitting them as a GL call andon AMD hardware this was a nice increase whereas Nvidia had performance loss because it already does this internally in the driver. 1 Quote Please visit TDM's IndieDB site and help promote the mod: http://www.indiedb.com/mods/the-dark-mod (Yeah, shameless promotion... but traffic is traffic folks...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarhiel 29 Report post Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) 2019 Upgrade (ready for Cyberpunk 2077 now): Intel Core i7-6700K,Motherboard: ASUS Z170 PRO GAMING - Intel Z170RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3000GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 2080Ti GAMING X TRIO 11G, 11GB GDDR6HDD: Samsung SSD 970 EVO PLUS, M.2 - 500GB Seagate Desktop SSHD - 2TBBlu ray: ASUS BW-16D1HTSkriňa: CoolerMaster Storm, Trooper Edition Cooler: Zalman CNPS9800 MAX Source: Be quiet! Straight Power 10 800WMonitor: Dell Alienware AW3418DW - LED monitor 34"Win10 Pro Edited September 14, 2019 by Tarhiel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oleron 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2019 Asus FX705GM Laptop i7-8750H Gtx 1060 Mobile (3gb vs. 6) 16gb DDR4 2400 1tb Evo 850 Linux Mint 19.2 Tina x64 Thanks to everybody for making a Linux-native Thief Runs like a champ on this system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
